Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: ctj83

There is something re the hypnotic stuff for certain.

As far as handlers go. There is seemingly someone's behind
the men. I dealt with someone for quite sometime re this.
John Burroughs had dealings with the same person/s along
with Ronnie Dugdale and one other am aware of who I wont
name. It painted a very strange story indeed at the time.


There is really much much more to all of this.
But one can only deal with what is public knowledge in
most part and work from there.

There is enough now to suggest all is not quite right.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

The problem with Jim's story is that it goes all over the place. Like the craft being silver and then being black. We've listed the 'memory lapses' previously and he must realize that himself.

There are not trivial human errors as he has claimed (by proxy) earlier in the thread. They are 'fictional facts' used by radio and TV shows to tell the story. There is a video on Youtube of the 2010 Woodbridge Conference and it almost seems at times like Jim knows he's talking absolute bollocks but just keeps going through with it.

One thing you can say about this case is that Jim is consistently inconsistent.

If we ignore both Jim and Larry's testimony, except the parts that can be corroborated by others, then I think we are removing much of the chaff around the case.

I am about to blow open Penniston's testimony with my own book to be released on April 1st 2017.



Guess who's lying now!

I am about to blow open Penniston's testimony with my own book to be released on April 1st 2017.

Are you been funny ha ha Mirageman? The date been April 1st and all

I have no doubts re the areas which are inconsistent. But is there the chance
there really is another explanation for all of this which has yet to be revealed?
Whilst things don't look good, there is not the 100 percent evidence Jim did something
fraudulent , right?

You certainly don't buy into this binary. But again, you have heard what Gary has
said re all of that and of course from Jim, no words at all crept what's been relayed
here via Gary.

When it comes to larry, well there is already big dramas re all of that presently.

We wont go there re the space ships, was there not one which was dirty white

a reply to: mirageman

I expect a signed complimentary copy to go on my shelf Mr M.

I think we need to go back to the hypnosis too.

My guess, for a little while, is that Penniston has been used.
Forget the events of the three main nights.
The blab about UFOs was the cover but from then onwards everything splits.

Jim's little time bomb was meant to make certain people believe it really was aliens/time travellers.
You weren't supposed to spot the mistakes but never mind, the believers are already convinced by all the pointers to ancient sites etc.
The new age folk don't need much to connect a few dots and bingo! Its all, like, coming together maaaan!

Don't blame Jim because whoever did this is part of something much bigger.

We didn't go for it and it won't make any difference to the debunkers or the "hardcore UFOlogists" but we aren't the target.
Don't underestimate the attraction of this stuff to the less discerning consumer.
How much cash gets spent each year on Tarot readings? Astrology? Ghost tours?

I'm not knocking it really but theres an awful lot of people who keep certain beliefs. I'm not sure that we'll ever get to the bottom of who did it but this whole thing with the codes, its tacked on after the fact. Nothing to do with those three nights.
If we ever get to the bottom of it, which I doubt, I think that JP is just as much a victim as anyone else here.
I'm sure its got to cause some degree of internal conflict if he was hypnotised to believe one thing yet in his mind he knows its not right.
That might explain some of the things mentioned about his presentations etc.
I'm not surprised he's been having funny dreams.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Are you been funny ha ha Mirageman? The date been April 1st and all

Of course I am. I have no intention of writing a book. But you must have noticed by now that I am not always serious when I post things. Surely a bit of satire and joking helps lighten these discussions up?

I have no doubts re the areas which are inconsistent. But is there the chance there really is another explanation for all of this which has yet to be revealed? Whilst things don't look good, there is not the 100 percent evidence Jim did something fraudulent , right?

The claims that Jim saw glyphs, touched the craft and drew the symbols, took photographs and received a binary code download are all non-falsifiable. But the circumstantial evidence surrounding those claims throw huge doubts on his claims. Much of that evidence is Jim's own statements about the how, why and where.

Maybe Jim entered a different timeline, ' Back to the Future' style back in 1980 and these things all happened to him then he returned to this timeline. But only after it was repaired by a craft of unknown origin. So his memories of Dec 25th and 26th 1980 are not the same as everyone else's. But then he still gets things wrong in this timeline. Like the pages of binary code, the slip ups on the Angelia Joiner show etc. and the colour of the craft.

So what seems more likely?

A man who existed in a different reality now existing in this one and still getting confused.

Or someone who can't get their story straight in the only reality the rest of us know about?

a reply to: Tulpa

I expect a signed complimentary copy to go on my shelf Mr M.

You can have the first edition of this non-existent book with my non-existent signature emblazoned inside the non-existent cover.

....My guess, for a little while, is that Penniston has been used.
Forget the events of the three main nights.
The blab about UFOs was the cover but from then onwards everything splits.

Jim's little time bomb was meant to make certain people believe it really was aliens/time travellers.
You weren't supposed to spot the mistakes but never mind, the believers are already convinced by all the pointers to ancient sites etc.

The new age folk don't need much to connect a few dots and bingo! Its all, like, coming together maaaan!

Don't blame Jim because whoever did this is part of something much bigger......

Yes I have said throughout this thread that there is the possibility that Jim Penniston has had false memories implanted in him. There are theories that the Barney and Betty Hill alien abduction and the Antônio Vilas-Boas alien abduction were the work of intelligence services implanting false memories as part of experiments going on. Experiment linked with mind control and MK Ultra activity that was going on back in the 50s and 60s. The question is did this continue past the 1970s when it was exposed? And is Jim (and possibly other witnesses) victims of these nefarious techniques?

If that is the truth then it's more than shocking.

We didn't go for it and it won't make any difference to the debunkers or the "hardcore UFOlogists" but we aren't the target.

So are you suggesting that Penniston has found a niche market with those who believe in numerology, egyptology topics to make a fast buck (if not a fast book)?

I'm sure its got to cause some degree of internal conflict if he was hypnotised to believe one thing yet in his mind he knows its not right. That might explain some of the things mentioned about his presentations etc. I'm not surprised he's been having funny dreams.

This could explain a lot. But it also provides a neat get out excuse for when the going gets tough!

Yes I have said throughout this thread that there is the possibility that Jim Penniston has had false memories implanted in him. There are theories that the Barney and Betty Hill alien abduction and the Antônio Vilas-Boas alien abduction were the work of intelligence services implanting false memories as part of experiments going on. Experiment linked with mind control and MK Ultra activity that was going on back in the 50s and 60s. The question is did this continue past the 1970s when it was exposed? And is Jim (and possibly other witnesses) victims of these nefarious techniques?

Hi MM, (I slotted the above from you, I would examine this element further, and I would add a yes.)


Only time will tell I guess re were this goes.

There is Halts book to come, and then there is Gary and Jims binary book.

Perhaps figure why Jim had dreams of Gary's 23.5. What exactly was happening to
Jim in reality to have this happen and the way it is today.
And there are other elements other than just that too.

Its good to have humour.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Indeed, time will tell.

Halts book may be interesting. It depends on what he's willing and able to put in it.

Not sure about Gary's book. This is just my opinion as I am not really interested in numerology and egyptology and I don't see any point in pursuing it with Gary either. He made his point clear on the codes. But I respect to him for coming on here and explaining a few things as well and he thinks there is something significant there.

Perhaps figure why Jim had dreams of Gary's 23.5. What exactly was happening to Jim in reality to have this happen and the way it is today.

Perhaps you might be able to answer that one better than I can?

But what if someone did plant this all in Jim's mind long ago and certain dates or events have become triggers for him to release 'false information'.

Of course that would suggest that someone or something has been at work for maybe 10,20 or perhaps even 30+ years on this....and I have no idea why.


ETA:

For anyone who is interested a number of "Phenomenon Radio" shows are now available on Youtube.

Link to Phenomenon Radio Shows

Particularly related to Rendlesham are the Ray Boeche, Jenny Randles, Chuck De Caro, Larry Warren/peter Robbins and Nick Pope shows.

John Burroughs hosts the show with Linda Moulton Howe. Please don't be put off. John is actually a pretty good host and even LMH is a lot more relaxed than she is on other shows.

a reply to: mirageman

No. You missed my point just a little.
JP hasn't found a niche, he's meant to find the stuff and we (the public) are the target.
That's what I meant by him being used.

I'm not denying he could be enjoying the attention etc. but he's kind of innocent.
If he's been messed with as we think he might.
Im not sure if there's a connection to MK Ultra but if my feelings are right, and its anything to do with The Nine, it started sometime in the late '30s.

I could still be miles off but
Hypnosis/channelling messages, ancient Egypt + other sites(?), aliens...
I'm seeing a familiar pattern.
Someone really wants us to believe in all this and some people do.

I want my book signing in binary.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Marylongstockings

Are you been funny ha ha Mirageman? The date been April 1st and all

Of course I am. I have no intention of writing a book. But you must have noticed by now that I am not always serious when I post things. Surely a bit of satire and joking helps lighten these discussions up?

I have no doubts re the areas which are inconsistent. But is there the chance there really is another explanation for all of this which has yet to be revealed? Whilst things don't look good, there is not the 100 percent evidence Jim did something fraudulent , right?

The claims that Jim saw glyphs, touched the craft and drew the symbols, took photographs and received a binary code download are all non-falsifiable. But the circumstantial evidence surrounding those claims throw huge doubts on his claims. Much of that evidence is Jim's own statements about the how, why and where.

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Or someone who can't get their story straight in the only reality the rest of us know about?

This is one of the main sticking points for me. Many accounts mention nothing about him touching a craft, or that any visible craft was even there, let alone anything aside from some lights. Was the craft/him touching it something that was added and embellished later? Why isn't it in all reports of the incidence?

a reply to: vlawde

In "UFO" reports it's quite common for multiple witnessed to be standing shoulder to shoulder and to "see" radically different things.

Add on the potential drugs and brainwashing (and potential psyop) and all this passage of time --- and the desire to make money and notoriety out of this...

That things are so gobbly gook is not surprising at all.

Kev

a reply to: Tulpa

Aha thanks for clarifying that.

Weren't the Nine involved in Gene Rodenberry's Star Trek mythology as well?

I could still be miles off but Hypnosis/channelling messages, ancient Egypt + other sites(?), aliens... I'm seeing a familiar pattern. Someone really wants us to believe in all this and some people do.

Yeh it seems like it. Pop culture almost screams at us. Let's connect UFOs to aliens to crop circles to animal mutilations to abductions to ancient religions.



Here's my digital signature for the book

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a reply to: vlawde

It all goes back to Jim Penniston not knowing what day it is. Or at least what day it was,

His notebook which he claims was used on the night of the incident clearly states the date as 27th Dec 1980. It has long been established that he was only on duty late on Christmas night and the early hours of Boxing Day. So if he was using the notebook at the time how the hell did he get the wrong date? It's not even like it wasn't Christmas Day or Boxing Day!!!



Although it strangely agrees with the 'wrong' date on the Halt memo leaked in 1983. This was later shown to have been the wrong date also.

Check out his witness statement as well.

a reply to: mirageman

The nine were introduced to Gene, or at least took hold in his mind after the series had finished and leading up to Star Trek: The Motion Picture. That film features a man made device becoming sentient and travelling back to earth to find its creator. It uses binary code.

Far more interesting is that before that script Gene wrote Planet Of The Titans. The crew are thrown back in time and land on earth at the start of civilisation.

With their advanced technology and knowledge they help human kind become civilised and are immortalised as the God like Titans of legend.

A clear attempt by Gene to merge the ideas of Legendary gods of old with his high tech Star Trek future.

When this fell through, Lab-9 and the nine gods of old seem to have become the 9 main characters at the start of Star Trek TNG...

a reply to: ctj83

It's hard to escape from ones unconscious self-seeding.

Interesting.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I could be imaging it all, but the use of the name Art Wallace is just too conincidental when he wrote a Star Trek episode about a time traveller interfering with nuclear weapons.

Gene was certainly influenced as well by the Nine.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

How did I not see this before?

Star Trek the motion picture.

Spock ventures into the binary code transmitting craft. Touches it and essentially has it download into his mind. The craft next attempts a download when Commander Decker touches its surface.

Probably me just making random connections. Unless much of the RFI came from one persons mind.

a reply to: ctj83

Sure.

Jim Penniston could have been patient zero in an "occult outbreak" that caused all this.

But I have no idea whether Jim is a closet Crowley-ite or other type of closet mystic.

But G*** seems to be so inclined, so maybe Jim is as well.

You know That "the occult" and UFOs are identical twins.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

The Jim I believe to know was not into any hocus pocus
and I did not know him to be a closet mystic.
But who knows for sure. I just did not see it.

We, meaning , Gary others and those who have been looking
at this and that, would be familiar with ALL of the above things
mentioned, to include the binary etc. It all has been noted for quite
some time.

One point to remember is the late Georgina Bruni, her connections
and interests. Is it possible there is some influence there with Jim
etc, in what way and how far back it goes, I cant be certain.

The nine element does feature, but it would be for Gary to go into
that and he well may do in their pending book. I cannot be
sure, other than it appears to play some role.

What I can say. JIm had a great passion for Star Trek and other
sci fi movies. You will also note Ian Ridpaths page and
the movie which is there about the beings, us from the future.