Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Quote:

"But the great majority of New Agers will believe absolutely anything, whether there is merit to it or not."

Yes, that is true Kev, and one has to question why the code was devised and for what reason, and really at this stage it remains to be seen that what it is pointing to IS there and in fact a reality. But personally, I am not out to deceive anyone. The truth is important to me. All I can do is present what I have found and people can take it from there.
And thanks for the 'well wishes' . . . ditto Kev.

originally posted by: Gaos0
a reply to: vlawde

Quote by Vallee:

"We are faced with this third aspect when we carry on case studies in the field. "

And what exactly is this "third aspect"? I already understand this having studied the phenomena. But, seeing as it's perhaps the answer to the whole phenomenon, I would like to see if people know what this is - especially in terms of our perceptions and different states of consciousness.

Here 'tis: The Ufo phenomenon looks like a kaleidoscope which has three separate levels: a physical and technologic level; a sociologic level; and finally a personal level, subliminal, which plays with subtle shades of human psyche.

The first aspects seem to show evidence of extraterrestrial origins; the second one would be within the competence of human mythology and anthropology, if we refer to the societal dimension only: this is the explanation which meets with the advanced skeptics’ approval, contrary to Menzel and Klass who are content with denying everything outright.

The third aspect is the most disconcerting: it suggests clues of a darker manipulation from terrestrial and very material origins.

a reply to: Gaos0

I am 100% convinced you believe in the truth and accuracy of your research.

Ultimately I can't say who is right or wrong on any topic.

Determining "truth" is a slipery thing and generally takes multiple generations of researchers to make good progress.

Maybe your work will inspire someone to take something to the next level. Maybe not.

a reply to: vlawde

An "apparently physical and technological level".

That third part makes most things pretty uncertain.

Sucks.

originally posted by: Gaos0
a reply to: vlawde

Quote by Vallee:

"We are faced with this third aspect when we carry on case studies in the field. "

And what exactly is this "third aspect"?

It’s Human Imagination, Gary.

All we have is some strange lights moving about in the sky, some of them throwing a beam of light downward, and some markings in the forest that could indicate a landing. We have an affidavit of the Deputy Base Commander stating he is convinced that these lights were extra-terrestrial in origin.

Remarkable enough, but to keep the mystery going someone first googled for the Woodbridge town centre in a tele atlas map, made a mistake an American would made (W instead of E), was saved because others were moving the dot elsewhere in his Woodbridge coordinates (now the longitude has six decimals while the latitude has seven – that can’t be right), heard about Hy Brazil, found some sacred places on the internet, and put them in his next batch of pages with ASCII binary codes.

We’re up to five now:
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100304124647/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/belize/caracol
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100224000451/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/egypt/giza-pyramids
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100326191942/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/peru/nazca-lines
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100307013714/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/china/tai-shan
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100301161418/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/greece/naxos-portara

Add a little Human Imagination and the stories (and notebooks) go all over the place. Men In Black, the Nine, Mystery Pyramids, Secret Weapons, you name it.

So I would change Vallee’s quote to:

“Everything is happening as if Human Imagination was able to manipulate its environment. It is Human Imagination and not simply a bureaucratic “cover-up” as it has naively been believed for a long time.”

originally posted by: DaveBowman

Caught that Dave thing did you ;-)

I found this interview last week with Boroughs and Gary Heseltine interesting.
soundcloud.com...

Thank you Mr Bowman. Some interesting questions and spirited, but controlled debate.

What treaty was violated by siting nuclear weapons at Bentwaters? ( I always thought that the 1968 Non-Proliferation Treaty covered that one.........."each nuclear-weapon State Party to the Treaty shall not transfer nuclear weapons or explosive devices"). But not exactly clear as it was technically a RAF base leased to the USAF.

At various times why did Larry Warren, Colonel Halt and Mr. Penniston all give the date of the 27th Dec 1980 as the night of the incident in past?

Was Colonel Halt kept out of the loop by Conrad and WIlliams? Or does he know a lot more than he's letting on about?

There was a lot more and JB seems intent on uncovering as much as he can on the story.

a reply to: Guest101

...Add a little Human Imagination and the stories (and notebooks) go all over the place. Men In Black, the Nine, Mystery Pyramids, Secret Weapons, you name it.

You forgot time travel in that list .

Looks like the 'missing' MoD files that John Burroughs has worked hard to get released might actually get released soon.

UFO BREAKTHROUGH: UK X-files due out in weeks could prove aliens DID visit Rendlesham

LONG-awaited British X-FILES that are expected to shed new light on the mysterious Rendlesham mass UFO sighting case should be made public within weeks...........

The 18 UFO-related files only came to light last year, when the British Ministry of Defence (MoD) admitted they existed and had been withheld from a previous declassification exercise.

In 2013 the MoD claimed it had made public all of its formerly top-secret alien files, but following Freedom of Information Act requests, the existence of the remaining documents was revealed.....

In reply to an enquiry by GreWi-editor Andreas Muller, a spokesperson of the National Archives‘ Information Management Department said: "I have been advised by our transfer team that they are currently in the process of finalising the listing for the records, which include the UFO files, and they are hopeful that the records will be transferred from the MoD to The National Archives within the next month. ........

"Some of the files need to have their closure/access status agreed by the Advisory Council on Public Records, which meets in July, so the transfer team are looking at probably August before the records will be released to the public.".........


The yet to be released UFO-documents are also said to include papers from 1971-76, 1996-2000, and some in 2004.

Full story & Source : Daily Express

I'm not holding my breath. They've been saying this for months.....

a reply to: mirageman

And your news reporter is Jon Austin

a reply to: mirageman

At various times why did Larry Warren, Colonel Halt and Mr. Penniston all give the date of the 27th Dec 1980 as the night of the incident in past?

John has brought this up and isn't there a radio show soon about this?

a reply to: Guest101

Remember 101, Gary has explained his position re those co-ordinates
and whilst it is compelling re the how's and whys
It still would make no difference to Gary's research and findings.

But, does it prove Jim did this, that is my question re those co-ordinates
There may be another story behind it, other than what seems the obvious.

Just so I am clear. I am not saying all this is ok, but it is how its
been told.

a reply to: mirageman

I was attempting to post on a new thread in a completely nonrelated topic and, when I went to "quote" the posters' words to rebut, the ATS gremlins magically brought me here. HERE. It is worth a notation at this point: this thread was the only one on the list in bold font.
I tell myself there is a reason I was brought to this thread, created years ago.

I know the thread UFO story well but kept reading despite...and then this caught my attention.

It is 6-16-16 and when you consider what is unfolding today, at this time in history/future, this strikes at the American heart like a sledge-hammer:

As a result America... was causing anti-US sentiment and protests from certain political groups in Europe. Just what the Soviets wanted.

Little changed.

(does Donald Trump become POTUS?)

Safe travels to all...

NN

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Helloooo fellow time travelers!

a reply to: NewzNose

a reply to: Marylongstockings

V.A benefits were authorized just a couple years ago, I think. The incident date should now be clear, no?

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Sure wish I had me one of them there time machines. I reckon I'd motate to right before I ordered that chicken parm pizza yesterday. Food poisoning, the culprit for my late night posts.

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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Guest101

...Add a little Human Imagination and the stories (and notebooks) go all over the place. Men In Black, the Nine, Mystery Pyramids, Secret Weapons, you name it.

You forgot time travel in that list

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I'm late to the party here. Please forgive me if this recording of Jim Pennistons interview with Angelia Joiner is old news. Here he talks about the code in his own words. In fairness I post it without comment.

www.youtube.com...

a reply to: DaveBowman

Yes indeed it has been discussed a number of items (even quite recently). Penniston comes over badly on that interview. In fact all the parts of the RFI story that Penniston and Penniston alone can verify are questionable.

Did he really have a notebook and camera? Was he really able to make plaster casts inconspicuously? Did he really get a binary download?

Did he even see anything but lights like the other witnesses on that first night?

Take him out of the story and we still have a story. So what really is his part in all of this?

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
a reply to: mirageman

And your news reporter is Jon Austin

And the news source is the Daily Express.

However the MoD files are supposedly due for release even if it seems to be taking a long time. It's not like it's a completely fake story. Whether they will reveal anything of interest I don't know.

Interesting documentary. In it John Burroughs says he was asked not to include the details of the 3rd night in his witness statement.

The question is why?

Is it because Halt intentionally covered up the incident to some extent by compressing the events into seemingly one night in his infamous memo and giving it an incorrect date?