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To be brief MM,

I would simply question how Jim really came to get the 23.5 dreams.

I'm no dream expert , or even into that realm of subjects.
It is either channelled info, if one is into that element
or it was delivered by some other means in the here and now.
The only thing I do know, I knew Gary before Jim, at the time of my
knowing Jim he would come past my face book page and he would
of been privy to Gary. But Jim did not know Gary nor Gary him.

I will pause there for a moment, during that time the 23.5
thing became implanted into Jims mind via the alleged dreaming.

That brings its own set of questions.


The common connection would be Nick Pope. Nick Pope was
clearly aware of Gary as he advertised Gary's book several years
ago in the "Hot Gossip " Magazine of Georgina Brunis. Gary has already
mentioned his connection to Nick Pope, so there are many things
which could be thought re all of this and at play.


The easiest of course is Jim just did his thing for whatever reasons
But am more inclined to consider something else involved.

I have taken note of the radio show of Johns. There are some things I
see which could be gone over at some point.

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a reply to: Marylongstockings

I don't suppose you know if the name Andrija Puharich came up anywhere in connection with the hypnosis side of things?
Its the common factor, at least since the seventies, with the appearance of The Nine.

Remember Uri Geller?
Hawk headed gods, alien machine intelligence and channelling of The Nine.
He had enough and parted ways with Puharich for his own reasons but where Puharich goes The Nine are not far behind.
He has links to the intelligence community and the new age, psychic, alternative scene.

He also has a record of being, how can I put this?...
A little less than ethical with regard to his hypnotic subjects.
It would be helpful if you could tell us the connection with The Nine and JP.

Are they due back in Egypt sometime soon by any chance?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Tulpa

Aha thanks for clarifying that.


Here's my digital signature for the book

How do I know that's not just something you dreamed up one day?

01001001001000000100000101101101001000000100011101100101011100100110110101100001011011100000110100001010

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Thanks that's good to know and might even be considered a "smoking gun", given the "Star Trek the motion picture correlation" with the binary downloads from that movie.

Kev

Tracy, did you/someone else say Jim met with two of the Nine (Elohim)? If so, was this around the time of the strange happenings, and can you elaborate upon this in any way?

The Nine feature in the book, “The Only Planet of Choice” (a very thought-provoking read indeed). It was when Roddenberry asked them where they came from, their answer (channelled through the medium) was "the zone you call cold in Deep Space". Hence, "Deep Space Nine".

The medium Phyllis Schlemmer also elaborated upon an encounter she had, possibly with one such member:

She had scarcely spoken the words when a being materialized before her eyes. He was about
six feet four inches high, well-built, with blond hair and blue eyes and was wearing a silver-blue
jump suit. He didn't speak, but communicated telepathically that his name was Altima, that he
and others were coming to help the planet and that in future she would be able to call on him in
any emergency. He remained in the office for less than five minutes then dematerialized. ... One Friday afternoon about two months later, just as Phyllis was about to leave and go home, he suddenly reappeared, put his head around the door, and said: "Hi, Phyllis, everything okay? Just checking on you".

While this story can seem to be preposterous, Phyllis remembers the incident vividly and swears
that this is precisely what happened.

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
I would simply question how Jim really came to get the 23.5 dreams.

On January 25. 2012 Gary’s book ‘The Giza Prophecy’ was published.
The number 23.5 was so prominent in Gary’s work by then that it is even mentioned in the summary of his book on Amazon.com.
It was already on his website since 2005.

So did the 23.5 appear to Jim in a dream or on a computer screen?

I would say a computer screen, since the binary code coordinates also came from the internet:

'http://web.archive.org/web/20100304124647/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/belize/caracol
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100224000451/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/egypt/giza-pyramids
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100326191942/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/peru/nazca-lines
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100307013714/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/china/tai-shan
'http://web.archive.org/web/20100301161418/http:/www.sacred-destinations.com/greece/naxos-portara
'http://www.cropcircleconnector.com/images/six-digits-match.jpg

a reply to: Defragmentor

That particular book does have some questionable content.
Helena Blavatsky also makes claim to have been in contact with some "ascended masters" and their ideas about the seeding of planet earth and its "root races" etc.
It becomes quite uncomfortable reading with this type of categorisation of the differences between races e.g. inferiorities etc.
Its not a path you want to take too seriously.

Remember when Colin Wilson wrote about the alleged entities that come through channelling, he referred to them as "...the crooks and conmen of the spirit world."
It would be good advise to keep that phrase in mind when dealing with any information obtained this way.

a reply to: Tulpa

The same advice should be taken for all "UFO" channeled/downloaded information.

It's all the same source:

Dubious "critters" and/or a properly "primed" enthusiast (about any subject) imagination.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I need to find out a bit more about Maria Orsic and the Vril Society.
They were responsible for channelling information from an extratarrestrial intelligence, allegedly.
This included plans for saucer shaped craft but they couldn't understand the meaning of any of their information on the power source, Vril, a universal power that, if harnessed, could lead to world domination.

Its always world domination isn't it!

Never anything interesting.

Anyway, this group had real influence over the highest ranking officers of the SS.
They took note of the channelled information and put their plan for world domination into practice and, as we all know, it didn't exactly go too well for a lot of people.

The notion that these space brothers/spirits, whatever, are here to help, is one which we should disabuse ourselves of.

a reply to: Guest101

Re Georgina Bruni , "She worked as a celebrity events organizer and as the founder and Editor
in Chief of the online magazine Hot Gossip.

Nick Pope advertises in 2005 various things to include Gary Osborn's material.

hotgossip.co.uk...

Nick Pope and Gary, I believe met in 1997.

We can be sure that Georgina would of known of Gary's work and of course Nick clearly
did as they had met in 1997.
I am not sure what you mean re a computer screen?
I only know Jim had wrote and told me re the alleged dream he claimed
to have had.

Because I knew Gary and of his research since 2009, it seemed perfect sense
to suggest him to Jim. I simply wanted Jim to be helped and felt Gary might
be able to assist Jim, I guess I did not realise just how odd all of that was?
But it was/is.

a reply to: Tulpa

Why the Vril society in particular?

Perhaps because operation paperclip scientists may have been "primed" in their unconscious minds with some of the motifs we still see today?

Kev

a reply to: Tulpa

The ONLY thing more terrorising:

"Hello, we are with the government and are here to help!"

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Its a common thread that runs through a lot of these messages.
Paperclip and priming is a distinct possibility and those scientists weren't all rocket experts.

I need to read more because the legends surrounding the Vril Society are pretty extreme but the truth is that they were a pretty secretive bunch and only communicated through certain people in the inner circle.
You know how secrets make the imagination and the tongue go all wonky for those outside.

Some of their information was nonsense (maybe too advanced for its time?) , and we don't know how much was acted upon.
Maybe its been exaggerated for the sensationalist element of Occult Nazis but I'm sure we'll find that they were in contact with pretty much the same thing as everyone else seems to get.

These entities seem to have a fairly predictable element. Keels phonograph in the sky is playing loudly in my ear.

Hi Defrag.

See here in relation to John Burroughs, we had been having a conversation re the nine.
I had posted him some things, here is his response from part of that conversation string.



I do have the book you mentioned. It was recommend to me via Simon Cox. He knew
I was trying to look into this aspect. Gary Osborn was also the other person who had
a lot of knowledge re all of that.

The peculiar goings on are a little difficult to expand on without some thought so as
to be clear. I will have to think more about this one and how to respond.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: Tulpa

The ONLY thing more terrorising:

"Hello, we are with the government and are here to help!"

Kev[/quote

Oh no, we're busted!

a reply to: Tulpa

Occams scalpel indicates that evolving memeplexes priming the unconscious mind should be the primary explanation, but as you know I'm very open to the motion that deceptive intelligences of some sort are also involved.

A large part of the book im working on has these concepts as a theme.

I suspect that certain concepts and motifs are far older than are commonly attributed...such as the saucer shape and the "gray alien" form;

That these forms have been purposely used to both "prime" and "kindle" our unconscious minds for some time.

Jim Penniston's unconscious kindling seems to have been of a much more modern source than most; which makes it a bit interesting.

Really the whole "sacred numbers" thing is also deception and kindling of the unconscious mind as well.

Of course an exceptionally well-crafted meme-plex can go on kindling harmful unconscious (and often) mythic patterns for centuries.

I mean, look at all the harm done by Blavatsky..she's nearly the mother of modern ufology and people don't know it.

Kev

a reply to: Marylongstockings

This is all modern mythology in the making.

If you want a shiver to run down your spine, read "Messengers of Deception" by Jacques Vallee.

I'd wager you would see yourself and others like in a mirror if you read that book.

(I'm not saying that you or anyone you know is a deceiver...but "modern mythology" does take on a life of its own).

Kev

originally posted by: Tulpa
a reply to: Marylongstockings

I don't suppose you know if the name Andrija Puharich came up anywhere in connection with the hypnosis side of things?
Its the common factor, at least since the seventies, with the appearance of The Nine.

Not between Jim and I in any conversations. I cant be certain re John.
He is better placed to discuss what exactly did come up in any sessions.
I know some things, but only a small fragment when it comes to John.

I am pretty sure or would assume Andrija would have been discussed though
via Gary to the men at some point.

Again, John is the one who mentioned he had met some of the nine.
I believe it is a sensitive issue with the men, that was according to Gary.

a reply to: mirageman

I believe John and possibly Ronnie Dugdale will be going into this aspect
from what I have seen mentioned. That will be on a future radio session
so it seems.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'm having connection problems.
Just put a long winded post together as an answer then bleedin well lost it.
Anyway.
Blavatsky has a lot to answer for.
Crowley, too, with his theatrics and I kinda like Gurdjieff but he's misunderstood.

Vril is actually the fictional creation of Edward Bulwer-Lyton (think I got the name right but I haven't got the book) and the story somehow got taken as fact by der führer.

Its tempting to dismiss all channelled information as self generated by there's always a tantalising "what if" element tugging at your shirt.