Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

How do you know what Jim knew or knows? He's kept you in the dark for several years a reply to: Marylongstockings

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Seems that John is running scared. He probably knows that things will hit the fan when the book is published and is already in the defense .. SMH

a reply to: Sedonabird

I doubt John is running scared of anything. Quite
the opposite actually.

a reply to: Gaos0

Anyway, this is my last post on here, for now. I really don't see the point in carrying on with all this now and at this time. I'm sure Jim will explain his side of things when he is ready to, but I have other things to keep me busy.

I am not going to try and debate anything about Egyptology or the pyramids with you. Although I happen to think the Ancient Egyptians were mighty clever people I have little knowledge in that field.

So I wish you well in your research and wherever it takes you. It's been interesting!

MM

a reply to: mirageman

Hi mirageman,

Thanks, you have been a fair gentleman. I wish you well :-)

A question for others.

Jim had a hypnosis session in the 90s.

From this binary codes were mentioned.

How do we fit the two things together in recent times.

We know for sure that binary was mentioned all those years ago.

We also can see the Sacred Site info is very compelling.

If Jim lifted them and used them as is been claimed.

What about the binary mentioned in the 90s

It paints a rather interesting picture imo as to what
the real scenario could actually be.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

Absolutely speculating here...

If any of them allowed themselves to be hypnotised during the odd "debrief" described by Larry Warren, there is every possibility that something could be planted there like a little time bomb.

I'm not saying that this is what happened but it should be considered.

Who might have put it there and for what purpose are anybodies guess but it is a real possibility.

a reply to: Tulpa

Thank you I appreciate your comment on this one Tulpa.

You have more or less gone some way in what I do suspect.

This is well worth looking into and expanding on.

It is something to really ponder imo.

a reply to: Marylongstockings

This may interest you, Mary: Link

OMNI asked David Jacobs, one of the country's leading abduction researchers, to view and comment on the videotape of Penniston's second hypnosis session.

Jacobs: "He zoomed off into a channelling mode, and the psychologist didn't recognize it," contends Jacobs. "He simply dissociated, which is what happens when people begin to channel. The information is coming from one part of his brain, and the other part hears it and think it's coming from the outside. And suddenly he knows the answer to everything, as the psychologist begins to ask him one question after another about the beings. He knew the answer to absolutely everything, and only one question was he unable to answer. This is a certainty of channelling. It's a psychological phenomenon, and all the information that comes from this is internally generated. If the hypnotist isn't real experienced and doesn't recognize this, they can easily fall into this trap, and this I believe was a classic situation of just that."

It could be possible that through this mechanism Jim is now convinced he has an important role to play in a future that is already fixed, and because of that everything he does is justified and even ‘designed’ to happen.

What Tulpa suggests cannot be ruled out either.
This could be a “Trojan Horse” designed to blow up the whole case and I merely was the one who lit the fuse.
I took me 15 minutes to find out the coordinates were on Sacred-Destinations.com. I just searched for the Chinese site because that one was rare, found the Sacret-Destinations.com site and bingo!
Why would Jim make the same mistake twice (copy a coordinate up to the last decimal)? And why take three coordinates from the same website?
Not very smart if you don’t want to get caught…

But you know him better than we do..

a reply to: Guest101

Its precisely those mistakes along with the whole connection to "ancient mysteries" that leads me to believe that he is merely delivering a package.

It all just seems so...I don't know, sort of vaguely familiar.
Ready made, if you like.

a reply to: Marylongstockings
You're trying way too hard to make sense out of Jim's story when he can't even keep his story straight 10 minutes later in the same interview with the same person. From the second video in this post earlier in this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Time Index/Jim Penniston said:
41:29 (asked why he only gave 6 of the 14 pages to be translated) I thought they were gibberish, I didn't think they were going to say anything.
55:20 I knew what those 6 pages said before they were decoded.

So which is it? He didn't know what they said and thought they were gibberish as he says at 41:29?
Or he already knew what those 6 pages said before they were even translated, as he said at 55:20, which is the exact opposite of what he said at 41:29 that he didn't know what they said and thought they were just gibberish?

You'll just make your brain explode if you try to reconcile the contradictory stories he tells and that's jut the tip of the iceberg, the commentary on the interview exposes the other problems with Penniston's inconsistencies.

originally posted by: Guest101
This could be a “Trojan Horse” designed to blow up the whole case and I merely was the one who lit the fuse.
I took me 15 minutes to find out the coordinates were on Sacred-Destinations.com.

I doubt it, he's just not a very good liar. Once you start lying you have to have a remarkable skill to keep track of the inconsistencies in your other lies and clearly Penniston couldn't even remember what he said 10 minutes earlier that he didn't know what the codes said before they were translated, when he then said a few minutes later that he did know what they said before they were translated, because he was asked a different question. He's also asked about the hypnosis and when John Burroughs knew about the binary code, and that part of his interview implodes too.

It's the old saying "oh what a tangled web we weave...." and yes he's very tangled if you listen to the rest of that interview and analysis.

Hi, I am reading the comments.

Just to note. I was present with Jim at the time
of the AJ report so I do know how Jim was during that
interview. Whilst I was not listening to every second of it
I was in the same area doing some things . It was also
conducted at a time, when there was some very serious
activities taking place which were very difficult at best.
I am a little cautious here.

I will try to comment later to comments as I do see some interesting thoughts.

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
A question for others.

Jim had a hypnosis session in the 90s.

From this binary codes were mentioned.

How do we fit the two things together in recent times........

.

I've said it throughout the thread there are a few options:

i) Jim is acting alone and embellishing his story because he has a modicum of fame which opens a few doors here and there, gets him a book deal (or two) and also gives him an elevated status amongst people of a certain persuasion..

ii) He is willingly part of a US military program to totally discredit the case and so has slowly injected false parts of the story down the years. The result is people, like us, end up arguing about binary codes, glyphs and a strange craft that no one else saw. When in fact it may well be none of any of that is true.

iii) As above. However some nefarious techniques have been used to implant false memories and Jim is an unwilling participant in a case of deception.


Take Jim and his story out of it all and do you still have a case?

Yes but nowhere near as exciting as it sounds with a real craft, with strange markings and a binary code download.

Now take Larry's (now on thinner ice than perhaps it once was) story of a shape/colour shifting craft in peripheral vision and strange lifeforms out of the story too. What do we have left?

A bit OT here. But it appears several posters in this thread are involved, if not directly, at least peripherally in this case or with the priniple players. Gaos, marylongstockings, maybe mirageman and a few others, With little to go on aside from your screen name, could someone please let me know is who in this whole deal?

a reply to: vlawde

Gaos0 is Gary Osborn who is writing a book about the "binary" code with Jim Penniston.

Marylongstockings lived with the same Jim Penniston for a time.

As far as I know no one else participating in this thread has anything to do with the incident directly. Including me. I was a schoolboy when this all kicked off in 1980. Tucked up in bed more than 250 miles away.

Thanks, that clears a lot up

For those interested here is another interview with Jim Penniston from 2002

Rendlesham File: A Triangle-Shaped Aerial Craft - Sgt James Penniston interview

Excerpts below :

I had my notebook and my camera while I was out there because cameras were carried because of terrorism to take pictures of base encroachments. And it says what I wrote that night: 'Triangular in shape. The top portion is producing mainly white light which encompasses most of the upper section of the craft. A small amount of white light is appearing from what appears to be the bottom of the craft.

At the left side is a bluish light. And on the other side is red. The lights seem to be molded as part of the exterior of the structure.' THE LIGHTS SEEM TO BE MOLDED AS ... Part of the exterior of the structure." You got to remember, that's the way I wrote it that night. It might not make sense in the sentence structure. The light seemed to be molded as if part of the exterior of the structure, smooth, slowly fading into the rest of the outside of the structure, gradually molding into the fabric of the craft."

But that actually isn't the way he wrote it.

Then at that time, I started taking photos. I think there were
36 in a roll. They were all B & W, that's what we carried.

WHERE DID THOSE PHOTOGRAPHS GO?

Base photo lab.

AND THE BASE PHOTO LAB PHOTOS WOULD BE IN WHOSE HANDS TODAY?

U. S. Air Force.

AND THEY WERE NOT RELEASED IN THIS RENDLESHAM FILE.

No.

SO, IT'S NOT A COMPLETE FILE RELEASE?

Oh, no. What the British knew of this incident I would say is
probably 10% of what happened. The other 90% is through U. S.
channels.

Interesting, very interesting.

WHEN WE TALKED ABOUT THIS A FEW YEARS AGO, YOU REMEMBERED, I THINK, SEEING SOME KIND OF SYMBOLS?

Yes, that is probably the most interesting part of it. I did draw them into my notebook.

So Jim you've got a camera with you. Why do you get out a pencil and sketch the symbols?

WHEN YOU TOUCHED THESE SYMBOLS WITH YOUR HAND, DID YOU GET ANY IMAGES IN YOUR MIND?

No. But I did have a sensation. The fabric of the craft was warmer than the air temperature. The air temperature that night was around 31 or 32 Fahrenheit. The craft was quite a bit warmer.

Tut! This isn't the story you will tell 8 years later.

You know, there is no doubt that the craft was mechanical, or ship or whatever you want to call it. But there is also no doubt in my mind that it was under intelligent control because the craft lifted off the ground. At that point, I thought it was on fixed legs, the craft.

But when it lifted off the ground, there was no legs on it, so I don't know how it was sitting on the ground. It lifted up a few feet, sort of went through the woods maybe 25 or 30 meters, hovered momentarily, then lifted up to about 250 feet above the top of the trees and then it was literally in the blink of an eye, gone at that point.

Hmm so you are still saying there were no legs on the craft. How then did it leave markings in the ground that you went back to the forest to make plaster casts of?

YOU HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSISTENT ON THE EARLY MORNING OF DECEMBER 26 AS YOUR AND JOHN BURROUGHS' ENCOUNTER WITH THE CRAFT.

And the only reason I know that for sure is because it was Boxing Day. Christmas was over, it was the day after Christmas.

Whoops! You haven't always been consistent have you?

September 10, 1994 - Jim Penniston Tried Hypnosis To Remember More

DS8 referenced in the last paragraph of the MOD Memo is a reference Jim Penniston overheard at the U. S. Air Force Office of Special Investigations (AFOSI), Bentwaters, when he was asked to report for further debriefing about the December 26 incident. At the AFOSI office, agents asked Sgt. Penniston to sign a release so he could be given Sodium Pentothal, combined with hypnosis, that would be recorded by two tape recorders. Penniston said he agreed "to get them off my back. They seemed a lot happier after I signed the release."

Penniston remembered that the agents at Bentwaters had him "lay down on a walnut table" and that a "British guy" got the needle ready. Under hypnosis, he described receiving information from the lights of the triangular craft about "time travelers" from some distant future coming back to get genetic material from earth to use as "band-aids" in a future where reproduction of the time traveling species is failing. For excerpts from Jim Penniston's 1994 hypnosis session to recall more details from his interaction with the triangular craft at Bentwaters AFB, England on December 26, 1980.

There is other interesting stuff there too.

And finally for tonight.................

Here is a picture of the binary codes taken from Jim's notebook :



The whole series of codes can be seen here : www.therendleshamforestincident.com...

Look closely at the notebook, the pages and the ink.

Here is another shot of the notebook before the binary codes were put in, taken out or shaken all about.



Are we looking at a notebook from 1980? Do the pages look like they were written up in 1980?

Do the binary pages look consistent with the earlier revealed pages?

Why did we not hear about this notebook until the late 1990s?.............................

Questions, questions.....

a reply to: mirageman

"Why did we not hear about this notebook until the late 1990s?"

Hi mirageman,

I was talking to Jim last night, and he was telling me that a lot of the things that people keep bringing up and/or focusing on are related to trivial, everyday, human situations and errors - some of them sidetrack-related; the kind of things that are all-too-human - in other words, silly things. That's what put him off answering questions, as people would just go on and on and no one would be satisfied, and really because most of the people asking the questions and who focus on these trivial things wish to be THE PERSON who has successfully debunked the case and would be remembered for it. They will latch onto anything and will turn it into something highly significant when there is often a simple explanation:
They would have had to have been there to know all the "ins and outs" of the things they bring up and keep bringing up, because even if the questions are answered, there are people new to the case all the time who have not done their research and have no idea about the things that were answered and so then it goes on again and around in circles.
If people were in his situation and went through the same experience - as well as the days following - only then would they perhaps understand what it is like.

Now, Jim also talked about the notebook, and without me asking him, he said that several times during the time when he was first being interviewed for different TV documentaries, he took out the notebook because he wanted to talk about it and show people what he noted down . . . (NOT, the binary code, though. He was clear that he did not ever want to talk about that).
Anyway, he said that every time he pushed to get the notebook looked at, someone would say, "Oh, we can't fit that in, we already have the storyboard drawn up." Or, it would just be quickly looked at and then just as quickly ignored as they already knew what they wanted to do, or was instructed to do.
Jim said that it was just typical of what goes on in situations like that. These people were simply not interested; they are just there to do a job, and some of the people on set may not even be interested in the subjects they are filming. Having been in similar situations myself, I know what that is like. Filming crews are on tight time schedules, as they usually pay for a set or building location, in which it is loaned for as many hours as they need to shoot what they have to, and that can often be just a few hours. So, Jim saying that he wanted to feature the notebook, which was not already discussed and which he said he would just bring along to the film shoot, never made it into the earlier documentaries - hence, the time it took for the existence of the Notebook to finally come out. Jim said that he never held it back; that on the contrary, he tried to get people to look at it and talk about it, but it just didn't happen.

a reply to: mirageman

I've always wondered why they would use Sodium Pantothal for a debrief?
Did they think he was going to lie to them?
If so. Why?

Besides, this ain't Hollywood folks.
SP is NOT a wonder drug making it impossible to lie.

Its just that its easier to tell the truth than go to the effort of making something up. The brain, after a shot of SP, is more likely to take the easier option. Therefore it is assumed you will be more likely to be being truthfull.

However, a subject under SP is much more compliant and easier to control or coerce...maybe even agree to seeing something that didn't really happen...perhaps a bit more suggestible.
I'm starting to feel quite sorry for the guy really.
I guess its tough in the military but never sign anything that might put you in this situation.


Adding.
Its also worth pointing out that only qualified people should administer SP and its not advisable to give it to people with heart defects.

So who was the "British guy" with the needle and is it a possibility that this could be the cause of any of the other witnesses health problems.