Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Defragmentor

I believe I need to read this ten times

originally posted by: Gaos0
a reply to: Arbitrageur

I have taken note of what you have written and have relayed it to Jim. He says there ARE answers to that and Jim assures me he will tell all in the pending book. That's all I can say on the matter. So, whether you accept that answer or not, I will have to leave it there.

Déjà vu …

In 2010, on the old rendlesham forum, Jim participated for a day or two (until the questions became too tough).

One of the members asked Jim the following question:

Why don't you give an answer to the huge difference between your story and that of John and the rest?
It's the No.1 question of everybody who has studied the case (and probably everybody on this forum), and it's directly connected to the credibility of your story.

Jim’s answer (remember, this was back in 2010):

Yes this is a very good question. John and I have never waivered on the differences... We have chosen to explain this on the 28th, jointly...
Recommend you attend, or in any case we will film it
[…]
your answer is forthcomming, so we will make sure if you can not attend, that this is published for everyones review..

Result on December 28th 2010:
No answers, but instead an announcement of binary codes that could not be revealed yet because the rights were already sold to the History Channel.

Another Déjà vu: Instead of you, Gary, it was John who defended Jim, in spite of the obvious signs of a fabrication in the binary codes.

Now, the proof of a fabrication is indisputable. The coordinates were simply copied from the internet.

The picture painted by the witnesses involved is also clear: There was no time to investigate any craft.

Ask yourself this: If the witness statements were all part of some grand cover-up, why did John make the following statements on the old rendlesham forum?

“Penniston did not have time to do what he said he did unless all of us were in some kind of different dimension. 2 of the 3 felt it was there and gone only Jim said it took 45 min.”

“Yes Jim story has changed and I have been one of the people who keeps hammering that fact. What I have been told is that after hypnosis that is when he changed his story.”

“Cabansag was with us when we first came upon the lights and it only lasted a couple of min not over 45 like Penniston has stated. Jim went under hypnosis and that has changed his story allot.”

“We came upon whatever it was and only were close to it briefly. Jim did say he felt it was some kind of object. His statement also stated how close we got to it. His story has changed and I am not sure why. He has told me since he went under hypnosis his memory of the event has changed. Whatever we came upon departed as we got close to it “

And if Buran was forced to sign a false statement, why would he bother to join that same forum and make the following statements there:

“I am dismayed that the story seems to have taken on dimensions never initially reported and very often assumes facts not shown by all the investigations. ”

“Folks, there was nothing in the forest that night but the lights (which have been explained) and maybe some SPs goofing around. But I fully understand that I can change no one's beliefs about this. ”

“I wish I had denied permission to even send anyone out there, and would have, except for the possibility that an aircraft crash may have occurred.
Then we wouldn't have had some strange, probably misidentified, lights becoming a UFO with beings on board, strange symbols and the AFOSI interrogating active service members in secret underground areas, which to my knowledge, DO NOT exist at RAF Bentwaters.
What rubbish. It gets better as time goes on, which means more prevarication occurs as time goes on. ”

“Had a crash been the case, we would have notified the appropriate civil authority to handle and offered assistance. As it turned out, we were just chasing lights. ”

“I never saw the need to talk to anyone about us wasting time and manpower chasing lights in the forest. ”

“Oh, and I never talked to anyone until Georgina Bruni contacted me because.....no one ever asked me.
And, unfortunately, I still feel that chasing lights in the forest has gotten way out of hand, to the point that good people's reputations may be harmed because the story as presented is not believed.
Once and for all, there was nothing in the forest that night. Too many would have reported it had there been anything to it. ”

“Just can't waste my time on this rubbish anymore guys. And I have been away on, in fact, several trips, I have job commitments above and beyond non-existent UFOs.
Have fun. I'm done. ”

In the light of all this, why should you believe non-falsifiable statements about dreams and binary codes from anyone?

Especially from someone who copied coordinates from the internet and made you believe he got them via other 'channels'.

I wonder were it puts Nick Pope in all of this?

He wrote the recent book with the men and did a cold case
review as we know.

This surely wont do him any good all of this either?

So , what in fact happened in all this hypnosis stuff??

a reply to: Guest101

Case closed I think, Guest. You've performed a steller service.

originally posted by: ctj83

Case closed I think, Guest. You've performed a steller service.

Ditto on the stellar service, Guest. Impressive and impressively presented.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Guest101

Case closed I think, Guest. You've performed a steller service.

Very interesting research, Guest.

Well done.

I think your work on those issues in your post above and, particularly, your earlier post deserves its own thread (expanding on the points made a bit) - or being highlighted in some other way (which this little string of posts by some of us congratulating you may achieve to a limited extent...).

originally posted by: Guest101
And if Buran was forced to sign a false statement, why would he bother to join that same forum and make the following statements there:

“I am dismayed that the story seems to have taken on dimensions never initially reported and very often assumes facts not shown by all the investigations. ”

Thanks Guest101, I've had pretty much the same reaction expressed by Buran every time I look at this thread. I appreciate your re-posting his comments.

a reply to: Guest101

Great job Guest!

I love it when a stinking pile of coyote dung gets revealed for what it really is.

I think that we NOW CAN leave Rendlesham alone.

Nothing to see here---move along folks

Officer Barbrady

a reply to: Guest101

Actually Guest, let me rephrase in the spirit of some of my own research:

"You've done a man's job, sir."

Please do create a thread on your discoveries, they can't be left to be buried here.

a reply to: Guest101

Guest 101
A quick question. Is this saying that Jim has committed fraud?
When it comes to the co-ordinates and whatever else.
If he used them as said and then he created a false story.
Money has been derived from this story.
Surely this is pretty serious?

Is there perhaps an alternate explanation?

Quote. Now, the proof of a fabrication is indisputable. The coordinates were simply copied from the internet. end quote.

a reply to: Guest101

Yep, you're proving to be very resourceful and insightful mate, and a great credit to the subject!

I just want to add that it looks like you're right about Warren. He is losing the plot now and his attacks on Sacha Christie are completely unwarranted and quite shameful.

It also appears that Bustina posted on Burrough's Facebook page alluding to his story being taken over by people who want the limelight.

sacha-christie-infomaniachousewife.blogspot.co.uk...

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
Is there perhaps an alternate explanation?

Conspiracy theorists can always think up increasingly bizarre and implausible explanations, but in most cases and I suspect in this one, Occam's razor applies which is that the simplest assumption (which you stated) is probably the correct one.

Even if you take Penniston's claims seriously that OSI pumped him so full of drugs they screwed up his memory (which I don't take seriously), the best you can conclude from that is that his memory is tainted and nothing he says is reliable. In that scenario one would just conclude he's terribly confused instead of intentionally fabricating, but copying coordinates for his binary code suggests intentional fabrication, not confusion.

I always thought this whole deal was embellished and lied about over the years, with all the contradictory accounts etc. So in the end it's what debunkers have been saying...lighthouse lights in the woods. Amazing the cottage industry that grew out of that

a reply to: Arbitrageur

There is some compelling info. I believe it does need looking into further
but it is not conclusive by any measures.

Fraud is serious, in fact its criminal Isaac Koi should
be in a better position to know the law than I and
exactly the meaning of the latest stuff which seems to have
been uncovered which indicates the co-ordinates MAY
of been taken and used by Jim to sell a fake story for profit.
This is what has been implied.
That would be a serious accusation and I don't see it as proven.

I have no idea how serious all of this is. What I do know only
half a story has been given by Jim.

Like I said perhaps there is an alternative story to look into
but nothing to do with conspiracy's and most certainly not fraud.

originally posted by: vlawde
I always thought this whole deal was embellished and lied about over the years, with all the contradictory accounts etc. So in the end it's what debunkers have been saying...lighthouse lights in the woods. Amazing the cottage industry that grew out of that

Well we can't conclude that much.

All we know is that there were "lights" seen on a couple of nights.

Presumably if it was "just the lighthouse" there would have been reports of "lights" many more nights.

We don't know what the lights were...but presumably nothing too Earth-shaking or Halt and others would have gotten "excited" rather than treating it like a Casual walk in the woods.

But the sensationalized portion?

That portion is in all probability "debunked".

Kev

I dunno...at least for me all the inconsistancies in the stories and now this have pretty much led me to disregard this as a significant event.

a reply to: vlawde

Oh I agree!

I no longer give a rats rear about RFI, now that the ludicrous part was debunked, and I got to read that snippet from Andrew Pike (Thanks "Mary").

The lights could have been something like "Earthlights" or something like that...But those are nothing too special. Not worth all this fuss...thats for sure.

Kev

I'm not surprised that most of the people on here are prepared to focus all their energy and attention on trying to prove Jim Penniston is a liar and at the same time miss the more important things. Focusing on people and believing they are lying instead of focusing on what is really important is simple I guess - simpler than working on something that is much more rewarding.
Those of you who come up with all the crafty and cunning ways in which Penniston may have deceived people, I have to question how you come to these different scenarios which you then believe MUST be true . . . because it's only human nature right?
It's like you are projecting onto Jim what YOU would do if you were in the same situation and wanted to deceive someone. It is apparent that most people now have such a strong distrust of others that your willingness to search deep within yourselves to come up with the most sly and cunning plan that you believe Jim must have implemented, and because you fear being deceived yourself, tells me more about your own nature than anything else. You certainly know yourselves and others :-)))))
It's funny that in the age of conspiracies we now have people who are now ignoring what the government people get up to, and instead. join together in a "lynch party" to target someone who has had an experience that people would have once taken for granted would be something the government would have covered up, and no doubt about it.
Anyway, good luck with that.

So where does this stand from my perspective in having worked on the coordinates from the code?

Even if Jim's story falls apart, and it hasn't yet, as he has yet to answer certain questions, you will still have to explain away the additional information the coordinates produce.
If Jim did devise the code and lifted the coordinates from the Internet, then he would have had to pick a particular set of coordinates that together produce the information I have found.
Jim would also have had to have read everything he could about the research I had been working on in the ten years leading up to my involvement – i.e., various concepts, theories and discoveries of mine (many of which are quite complex – especially the geometric/geodetic information, which he would have had to understand and replicate in such a way that he could then encode it).

Having got to know Jim, I just know he wasn’t familiar with my work, and even now he’s still not familiar with most elements of it. I have had to explain a lot of what I’ve been working on to bring him up to speed on it all and how the results of the coordinates correlated with what I already knew and understood. It’s not because he isn’t smart enough - because Jim is intelligent - it’s because he hasn’t “lived and breathed” this stuff daily like I have, and for almost 15 years now, and this would be the same situation for anyone else. I just know from my interactions and discussions with him, that what emerges from this code is something that he just would not have had the knowledge, the skills and especially the patience to create or implement himself. I would also rule out the possibility that he devised it with someone else who may have had some knowledge of my work. Over the five years, I have observed Jim and having noted every little nuance in the way he talks and conducts himself and also reacts to certain questions I have put to him, I can only conclude he had no knowledge of the things I already understood to have then been able to factor it all into the coordinates.

Someone devised it, and that "someone" has devised it in such a way that it appears that the purpose of the code is to divulge information that has remained secret for many years, BUT, which has a bearing on the present time in which we are living. I have noticed that things are happening now which correlate with the information in the code - perhaps even leading to proving what I have found in the code.

Again, the information has led me, or rather inspired me, to make new discoveries about the Great Pyramid of Giza - i.e., that this ancient construction not only expresses the measurements of the Earth and also the constants pi and phi, but also the number 'e' and 'c,' the speed of light constant (ten times 'c' is referenced so far), revealing that all these constants and the measure of the Earth, have a close relationship with each other, which indicates the architects were scientifically, and mathematically advanced.
I have actually been collaborating with Robert Bauval and his brother Jean-Paul on this.
On top of this, the information in the code is pointing to specific locations - and uses the seven coordinates to do so.

So, what people should be concentrating on - and I have said this time and time again - is WHO devised the code, and again, I am certain it was NOT Jim Penniston, so you are on the wrong track there.
And I am certain it was not devised to bring ridicule to the RFI and the witnesses. So, who was it? And what is he/she/their purpose? Again, this side of things is for the investigative researchers to look into, and although no one is doing anything about it now, I predict they will once the additional information I have discovered within the coordinates is released.

originally posted by: Marylongstockings
Like I said perhaps there is an alternative story to look into
but nothing to do with conspiracy's and most certainly not fraud.

The alternative stories here are the foibles of human perception, mythmaking, human psychology and the desire to believe, and the seedy, non-factual side of UFOlogy.

Beyond that we have evidence of rabbit diggings, normal background radiation variation, foresters' marks on trees, primitive night vision technology artifacts, and other ordinary things that have been blown out of proportion.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
All we know is that there were "lights" seen on a couple of nights.

Presumably if it was "just the lighthouse" there would have been reports of "lights" many more nights.

We don't know what the lights were...

There was a satellite re-entry and some bolide sightings that were unusual, which probably started the whole chain of events. We know what those lights were. After that, you can say "We don't know what the lights were" but the interval on Halt's tape matching the lighthouse interval is very compelling evidence for what was seen while Halt's tape was recorded, coupled with other evidence such as Halt's confusion over the direction of the lighthouse, and his changing story about the direction of the lights over the years.

a reply to: Gaos0

The information in the code is not about Jim, it's not about me, (it's certainly not about John), and it's not about Rendlesham really . . . it's something that goes way beyond all that.