Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: Defragmentor

Gary is certainly busy Defrag, and mentions Hy Brasil been a key place. There is also Joes stuff too, so I see.

I did see some duck T.Shirts earlier . A welcome change from Zondos clothing line .

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I've put both series in my Amazon basket for next time I do a shop...I really must watch it again, I remember it having impacted on me at the time, and it leading me into Lynch's film work.

It's a while since I watched it, but I doubt it has dated much during the last quarter-century, especially since it built many fresh foundations for 21st century TV drama in terms of courageous concepts, complex characterisation and imaginative integration of music. I'd also recommend Lynch's disturbing big-screen prequel, 'Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me' (1992), perhaps even watching that before the 1990/91 series. Curiously, British film critic Mark Kermode praises it as one of the most important films of its era (and I'm not sure he even caught the TV version).

Thanks for the info about Cavendish and Heinlein. Very interesting; I'll dig into those.

Long story short...the black lodge high-strangeness, the reverse speaking dwarf...I got what metaphorical meaning if not the culturally specific references.

So, I am though now wondering, as I always am, the owls not being what they seem, has Lynch or someone involved in the construction of that arc been invited to Bohemian Grove? That's the only owl that I know of that isn't what it seems.

Native Indian tribes regard the owl as a symbol of death, hence it's the animal form chosen by main villain Bob who is the embodiment of a Native American demonic spirit. I doubt Lynch has been to Bohemian Grove, but I wouldn't put it past co-creator Mark Frost who I suspect was the main instigator of the UFO/HS angle, and must be reveling in the wide-ranging Conspiracy Theory theme of the latest series (which I have yet to see).

Frost was a successful, established TV presence in 1990 compared to the 'un-tested' Lynch, so Frost's role was to 'tame' Lynch's wild imagination. Indeed, IIRC, the so-called 'Red Room' and reverse-speaking dwarf was a concept that unconsciously came to Lynch while leaning on his car one day (I know, right?) and later incorporated into Season 1's early narrative, and the point at which many TV audiences began thinking, "Whaaaaa daaa fuuu...?"

It's worth remembering that Lynch and Frost's initial objective was a left-field soap opera examining a carnival of strange people, with the Laura Palmer murder effectively a red herring to hang it all on - which later grew into something truly strange and audience-testing!

a reply to: Defragmentor

Well good luck to Gary. He uses units that ancients didn't such as miles, km and coordinates from the internet age then works all sorts of magic with them to prove what exactly? That the Ancients knew about maths and future measurement standards? He's the lone genius working on this binary code and he's spent what? 8 years or more working it all out.

But just out of interest I fed the letters of the alphabet and their numerical placement against Gary's name and got

G a r y - 7 1 17 22
O s b o r n - 14 18 2 14 17 13

If we use those numbers as a basis for co-ordinates on a map but transpose the first and surnames we get
14.1821417, 7.1172200 which translates to Wakawa in Niger. The walking time from there to the Great Pyramid is exactly 1024 hours. 1024 is significant because it is the number of bytes in a kilobyte or 100000000002 in binary. How could that be? Is he the product himself of a binary code in some mystical way.



Of course that all depends on the route and lots of other factors. But I enjoyed using a calculator.


Gary has been through a similar situation before when he found the angle 23.5 very profound a decade ago. Yet the provenance of secret mails from some unknown person (deeply connected with secret societies) that he claimed to have and backed up his theories were heavily doubted : scienceblogs.com.... Yeh he turned up there to comment too!

He's dedicated a huge chunk of his life to all this stuff. Maybe he's wasted it? Maybe not?

Let him be. Give him no more clues via criticism and let him waste more time creating excuses. Let's see him produce something meaningful (or not) to the wider world. Let him write his book. Let's see how it sells and the profound impact it may make on humanity.

Until then I think we should accept that, as shown earlier in this thread, the binary codes were lifted from the internet and this is some form of hoax, joke or part of a plot to convince gullible people to buy a book.

Does anyone disagree?

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: Defragmentor


Until then I think we should accept that, as shown earlier in this thread, the binary codes were lifted from the internet and this is some form of hoax, joke or part of a plot to convince gullible people to buy a book.

Does anyone disagree?

Seems 'case closed' on the binary front to me, but I agree that we should let Gary be - so long as he's enjoying himself, why not?

As to whether we should let the Rendlesham case BE... I don't think we could if we tried!

McCartney's face says it all...






And, to prove we can't let it be, here's some waffle I posted earlier in Standingwave's current 'Orbs' thread - which, of course, meant that Rendlesham Forest raised its head yet again (like tentacles winding through the forum!) Here's that part, copied and pasted:


"As an open-minded sceptic, due to the quality of witness testimony in the Skinwalker case and further afield, I instinctively suspect the red and blue orb phenomena are real and worthy of serious investigation, especially the 'Red=Harmony, Blue=Fear' hypotheses regarding their effects on the human psyche.

Fascinating stuff, and I wonder how we can apply NIDS' discoveries to other cases such as Rendlesham Forest in which Halt and others' confrontation with a basket-ball-sized 'red blinking' orb floating through the trees is feasibly a quantum-based phenomenon rather than Outer Space per se - and nothing to do with a lighthouse although that DID account for other lights seen at the the same time. Was the blue light they later saw in the open field an example of an 'infamous' blue orb? Whether that accounted for the distinct fear felt by some of Halt's men is a good question.

But there are already enough Rendlesham threads around, so perhaps I should vacate this thread and transport these theories THERE. "




So, do we simply let the Beatles be, and let the Rendlesham alien dance again?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

But there are already enough Rendlesham threads around, so perhaps I should vacate this thread and transport these theories THERE. "

Bye

a reply to: mirageman


The book is supposed to be out by the year end Mirageman. I guess that's not long to go.

So, John recommends—via his Facebook Group—MINDBENDERS by Frank Camper and even provides a pdf download to the book. I’ve had interaction with Frank both here at ATS and elsewhere and have an interest in aspects of his career to include a possible connection to RFI.

Here’s the link to John’s page if you want to download the book. I did. (Thanks, Baa)

I’m on pg. 58 and this was the first bit that caught my attention as possibly having significance to JB’s story. ‘Ionizing’ radiation in this instance and a possible reason “Ionizing Radiation” was steered away from.

Subject: MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS ON HUMANS

“1. It is desired that no document be released which refers to experiments with humans and might have adverse effect on public opinion or result in legal suits. Documents covering such work field should be classified ‘secret’.”

The memo was sent by O.G. Haywood, Jr., Colonel, US Army Corps of Engineers.

The memo identifies the enemy of public opinion, and classification as the means to protect the government. Rep. John Dingell’s subcommittee obtained declassification of the AEC memo, by the authority of the Department of Energy, on 22 February 1994.
In January 1994, the Clinton administration created the Human Radiation Interagency Working Group to uncover the type and extent of any Government- sponsored experiments on people involving intentional exposure to ionizing radiation…

…It is important to note here that while ionizing radiation experiments were finally exposed, the microwave, drug, and chemical experiments were exempted from disclosure. The victims of those experiments were not helped.
The American press finally noticed the radiation experiments, once the Clinton Administration made an issue of it.

In the mid-1980’s, the Reagan Administration had been under Congressional orders to document 30 years of Cold War human radiation experiments. The Reagan administration downplayed the issue, rejecting follow-up reviews and compensation payments, Energy Department papers reveal…

No big point to make at this time—however I would like to make note that Frank Camper is an associate (formerly at least) of Drs. Green & Puthoff and most of the players in Remote Viewing-IC arena.

If I recall correctly, Steve LaPlume, before he was more widely known in relation to RFI, posted his story to a discussion board of some obscurity. Again, if I remember correctly, somewhere in that series of posts he mentioned having attended Frank Camper’s Mercenary School in Dolomite, Alabama in the early 80’s.

I have reason to believe that some of Frank’s students were picked for reasons of, um, let’s say further “testing and deployment.”

Frank’s school was almost certainly an FBI cointelpro operation and we know how dirty those can get.

Whether this “link” has any place in the RFI chain of mystery I’m, of course, not sure. It has gnawed at me for awhile though. The connections are tangental—I know—but cross, at least, at 2-points: LaPlume & Kit Green.

There are two bad sources of information about Franklin J. Camper: Himself and much of the “official” story. When you dig through that, however, one is left with a Forrest Gump-like ex-military/IC operative/ para-military/mercenary/FBI Asset that’s showed up in everything from Iran-Contra to the Sikh Airline bombings.

He’s a highly intelligent but rather twisted man whose own head, imo, has been tinkered with by good ol’ Unca Sam.

If anyone with superior search skills to myself can find an online video of the CBS (I believe) segment 'Deadly Weapons' Produced by Harry Phillips (shot at Frank’s school) I’d much appreciate it. There was one copy (2-Parts) extant on the web up to a few years ago, but now that particular link is dead.

Frank claimed it was the only online video copy that hadn’t been scrubbed. I can see why he and others may have wanted it scrubbed—I think it holds clues to a mystery or two—but I don’t know if “scrubbing” is actually why it’s unavailable.

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ConfusedBrit

But there are already enough Rendlesham threads around, so perhaps I should vacate this thread and transport these theories THERE. "

Bye

Heh - as you very well know, Baa, ALL roads eventually lead to MM's Rendlesham opus.




And GUT - so even LaPlume isn't immune, eh? Funnily enough, a few months ago when I was even more confused, I think I saw his post you referred to in a forum simply called 'The Rendlesham Forest Incident'- dating back a good few years; might still be around.

a reply to: The GUT

You welcome THE GUT. I knew you would pull out interesting bits. Keep going.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Native Indian tribes regard the owl as a symbol of death, hence it's the animal form chosen by main villain Bob who is the embodiment of a Native American demonic spirit. I doubt Lynch has been to Bohemian Grove, but I wouldn't put it past co-creator Mark Frost who I suspect was the main instigator of the UFO/HS angle, and must be reveling in the wide-ranging Conspiracy Theory theme of the latest series (which I have yet to see).

Mark Frost makes reference to Bohemian Grove in The Secret History of Twin Peaks, there is a picture of the "owl" that is central to the cremation of care ceremony. In the same region of the book I also particularly liked the letter from the manager of Fat Trout Trailer Park, bit of Bennewitz there too. I haven't read the whole book, just had a skim via googlebooks, but it is clearly heavily drawn from the well-spring of conspiracy theory.

Getting back to the owls not being what they seem though...the first nations use of owl is not all that far off from that in the Western tradition, most often the owl is totemic of medicine (and therefore wisdom), and additionally there is seeming veneration (healthy respect) for the owls ability to bring swoop in and bring rapid death, an important factor in warrior cultures, and in cultures where stealth tactics, ambush and kidnap are the normal practices of inter-societal conflict it is expected that children would be kept in check, warned from wandering off, with such stories. From that angle, therefore, the owl is exactly what it seems (culturally). So still, for me, I think that owl that is really a bull to which we sacrifice our children is the only owl which is not what it seems.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Frost was a successful, established TV presence in 1990 compared to the 'un-tested' Lynch, so Frost's role was to 'tame' Lynch's wild imagination. Indeed, IIRC, the so-called 'Red Room' and reverse-speaking dwarf was a concept that unconsciously came to Lynch while leaning on his car one day (I know, right?) and later incorporated into Season 1's early narrative, and the point at which many TV audiences began thinking, "Whaaaaa daaa fuuu...?"

One of the reasons I don't like art critique is because I enjoy suspending my disbelief and being immersed in other realities...when we started extrapolating what the artist intended or meant we start to lose sight of the whole that the artist wanted to present...if that makes sense. Science is like that, or has been like that for too long, it looks at the pieces, extracts the elements puts them into neat, delineated piles instead of seeking to understand what role they play in situ...I remember a lot of the WTFing, but to me they had kind of missed the point and clearly hadn't looked at any of Lynch's other work. Anyway, I get the leaning against the car, my best ideas usually come to me when I am mopping floors or engaged in some other mundane activity and that is why I am currently engaged in attempting to paint a yellow-bellied diamond backed rattlesnake to represent the influence of the Rhodes-Milner Group. That's an explicit example of using visual imagery as story exposition, similarly the red room, the mystic connections of red light, as well as it's disorientating potential when flashed, coupled with the squared-off (therefore artificial) womb, may appear like he knew what he was doing but that doesn't necessarily mean that Lynch was conscious of those associations when he came up with the idea...often they grow (my snake was just going to be a snake because I wanted that symbolism)...they may not be apparent to him now...but that is the whole point, all art becomes art through interaction with the audience, it is the audience that finds the truths hidden within.

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
It's worth remembering that Lynch and Frost's initial objective was a left-field soap opera examining a carnival of strange people, with the Laura Palmer murder effectively a red herring to hang it all on - which later grew into something truly strange and audience-testing!

Do you remember a show called the Fantastic Journey? I was very young but devastated when it stopped being shown...anyway I keep getting reminded of it in odd ways, my brother doesn't remember it, and I am thinking I must have watched it with my Dad, with whom I also saw the Philadelphia Experiment...but my point being, I was about 18 when Twin Peaks came out and most parent-age people I knew did not even consider watching Twin Peaks. Those of my own age group perhaps did but more for the beautiful young cast members...it was very niche back then, and I think to those of us who really dug it, it was because it showed a reality we could far better relate to than the soap operas that were grey and lifeless thriving on the delusion that everyone says what they think and means what they say. Twin Peaks instead was telling us how it really was.

Not sure if that makes any sense, so I shall end it there...my point being I didn't really have that WTF moment so I find it hard to relate to, or recollect it having that effect. I think that it wasn't until I went to uni after it ended that there were other people to talk to who had seen it...which makes my upbringing sound awfully isolated...I maybe wasn't aware that it was such a moment, but I do remember that Tuesday night was Twin Peaks night. Lol.

a reply to: The GUT

Fascinating GUT. What makes you think that he knew Dr Green and Puthoff?

I keep nudging people to look into why The Philadelphia Experiment film augments the Berlitz / Moore book with a story of a town with a missile shield that in essence moves objects into hyperspace.

No one batted an eyelid, but this is exactly what the RV group / Geller were tasked with in the early 80s.

originally posted by: The GUT

So, John recommends—via his Facebook Group—MINDBENDERS by Frank Camper and even provides a pdf download to the book. I’ve had interaction with Frank both here at ATS and elsewhere and have an interest in aspects of his career to include a possible connection to RFI.

Here’s the link to John’s page if you want to download the book. I did. (Thanks, Baa)

I have too. Thanks GUT (and Baa).

originally posted by: The GUT

I have reason to believe that some of Frank’s students were picked for reasons of, um, let’s say further “testing and deployment.”

There is a bit where La Plume mentions the high turnover at the twin bases and that there was an individual there that was making it "easy" for people to get out of the service to the extent that he was found out and let go...that raised an eyebrow for me...I thought that La Plume said he would say more about him later but I don't think that he got back around to it, unless I am missing it.

Another thing I am intrigued by, La Plume keeps referring to tunnel-vision and brain fog when he saw the craft, does he mean this literally or figuratively...did his perception change, or did he just get hyper-focused (ie on defensive alert)?

He mentions that Palmer (?) the senior officer at the gate asked him if he was going to report the sighting and he said he wasn't...he was subsequently followed and felt intimidated...doesn't that sound like some kind of a test?

originally posted by: The GUT
Frank’s school was almost certainly an FBI cointelpro operation and we know how dirty those can get.

From La Plume, the places he mentions I was thinking that the work he was doing was protecting private, corporate interests, maybe arms and supply route protection...I'm intrigue by his repeated Freudian slip of saying Nicaragua and correcting it with Honduras...I counted three times he does that, he doesn't seem to have the same issue with other places he mentions...so, tell me more about these FBI cointelpro operations please.

originally posted by: The GUT
If anyone with superior search skills to myself can find an online video of the CBS (I believe) segment 'Deadly Weapons' Produced by Harry Phillips (shot at Frank’s school) I’d much appreciate it. There was one copy (2-Parts) extant on the web up to a few years ago, but now that particular link is dead.

Frank claimed it was the only online video copy that hadn’t been scrubbed. I can see why he and others may have wanted it scrubbed—I think it holds clues to a mystery or two—but I don’t know if “scrubbing” is actually why it’s unavailable.

Thanks for posting all this, especially the book link and video. Really helpful.

I suspect that if you can't find the link, it can't be found and I will get on with reading the book.

I think that you may have hit a nail though in terms of selection processes. It has a certain ting-a-ling-ling to it.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

It is better than the Halt book.

a reply to: The GUT

If I recall correctly, Steve LaPlume, before he was more widely known in relation to RFI, posted his story to a discussion board of some obscurity. Again, if I remember correctly, somewhere in that series of posts he mentioned having attended Frank Camper’s Mercenary School in Dolomite, Alabama in the early 80’s.

He's posted that here as well GUT :

I googled Frank Camper who was on another thread he was getting skewered about "are you really FJ Camper prove it" sort of stuff. I know Frank and attended his Merc School back in the 80's and was an instructor there as well. Frank and I still talk.

See : www.abovetopsecret.com...

If anyone with superior search skills to myself can find an online video of the CBS (I believe) segment 'Deadly Weapons' Produced by Harry Phillips (shot at Frank’s school) I’d much appreciate it. There was one copy (2-Parts) extant on the web up to a few years ago, but now that particular link is dead.

You mean?

Part 1


Look at the first comment by someone called Steve L!

Part II


There's another comment there too!

Seems like these "Merc Schools" were started in 1981. That's right after Rendlesham had happened. There's also a very interesting part about Frank's military records and his responses too. As we know someone involved in the RFI discovered their records had been messed with too.

I wonder how long those videos will survive on YT?

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Do you remember a show called the Fantastic Journey?



I remember this from late 70s/early 80s? I thought it was shown in the mornings during school summer holidays but I can't really remember. Nor much much about the plot. It was about a bunch of people lost on a mystical island (sound familiar?) in the Bermuda Triangle. Some were aliens, some from different Earth time zones. There's a few old epsiodes around on YT. Apparently DC Fontana (of Star Trek TOS fame) worked on it. I seem to remember this was around the time that "Battlestar Galactica", "Man from Atlantis" and "Buck Rogers" were all produced in the wake of Close Encounters and Star Wars.

I sometimes wonder if these shows were made to project certain 'supernatural beliefs' in a fictional setting. Mainly to tune young impressionable minds in a certain way. Then began a project to diffuse these ideas into UFO lore and make people believe in some of these links with Ancient Aliens, galactic federations, Atlantis, lost human civilizations, crop circles and everything else in that pot that has been thrown in since.

Something definitely changed in the 1980s as ufology took a more sinister turn and I don't think aliens were behind it!

a reply to: mirageman

thanks for the links to the Plume story MM

a reply to: mirageman

A little more here which mentions laPlume.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Do you remember a show called the Fantastic Journey?

I wasn't saying it was good, just that I liked it.

originally posted by: mirageman

I remember this from late 70s/early 80s? I thought it was shown in the mornings during school summer holidays but I can't really remember. Nor much much about the plot. It was about a bunch of people lost on a mystical island (sound familiar?) in the Bermuda Triangle. Some were aliens, some from different Earth time zones. There's a few old epsiodes around on YT. Apparently DC Fontana (of Star Trek TOS fame) worked on it. I seem to remember this was around the time that "Battlestar Galactica", "Man from Atlantis" and "Buck Rogers" were all produced in the wake of Close Encounters and Star Wars.

I loved Man from Atlantis too. Haha. I used to love doing the swimming thing when I went to the baths, and when I was small enough in the bath. Them were the days...anyway, having spent a half hour reading about it since this morning, it seems that the ET-hybrid thing was brought in after the series was commissioned.

originally posted by: mirageman
I sometimes wonder if these shows were made to project certain 'supernatural beliefs' in a fictional setting. Mainly to tune young impressionable minds in a certain way. Then began a project to diffuse these ideas into UFO lore and make people believe in some of these links with Ancient Aliens, galactic federations, Atlantis, lost human civilizations, crop circles and everything else in that pot that has been thrown in since.

Looking even at the documentary series Horizon that you mentioned, between 1980 and the story breaking in '83, they are pushing an awful lot of that stuff, in fact on the Sunday afternoon the story ran, Horizon repeated the previous weeks show on ESP at 3.40 pm. It was clearly a very futuristic-looking time. Tommorrow's World and Tommorrow's People almost side by side on the TV listings. But as you say, why'd it get so dark? Who opened the box and destroyed the hope?

originally posted by: mirageman
Something definitely changed in the 1980s as ufology took a more sinister turn and I don't think aliens were behind it!

Yup.

originally posted by: mirageman
Seems like these "Merc Schools" were started in 1981. That's right after Rendlesham had happened. There's also a very interesting part about Frank's military records and his responses too. As we know someone involved in the RFI discovered their records had been messed with too.

I wonder how long those videos will survive on YT?

Interesting. In one place he brags about it, and in another he is hiding it.

What did he get up to in Nicaragua?

In terms of the clips...has anyone done a follow up on that 14 year old kid...someone should.