Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

In other news Grant 'IWAATTIMH' Cameron has interviewed Gary Heseltine regarding his PRUFOS database and various aspects of Rendlesham.

www.youtube.com...

TLDL - the interview is very boring and the short of it is that Heseltine thinks Rendlesham happened because aliens intervened to stop a global nuclear war. The weapons at Bentwaters were not supposed to be there. Personally I think he's talking bollocks for a number of reasons.

Hint to interviewers on podcasts etc. - STOP asking convoluted long multipart questions like "So can you tell me about your granny? What did you have for dinner last night? There's a lot in the news about plastic waste these days and I was wondering could you expand on that and talk about your pets for a while?

Why do so many do this? Read up on effective questioning techniques. It's infuriating as the interviewee can't cope with the barrage of questions they are hit with.

a reply to: mirageman

If you listen to the Burrough's / LMH Phenomenon radio episode, you'll hear John mention the Intruder.

Re the Sightings episode, that's a good point. I think Lynch's presence in the area is related to what he thinks happened at the RFI at the every least.

Re Daniels. The only references we have are:
- Generally. Ralph Noyes
- Butler's partner - notebook with code, symbols and portal locations in
- Butler - metal sample from Steve Roberts
- Randles - the fact the man existed

I'll be clear. I don't believe he was in anyway alien.

He was clearly an intelligence agency for some nation.

I keep talking about the report because it's fairly likely if there are any hearings in the USA, then this report is or has been presented.

I think it's fairly clear that the report might not be genuine, but then it seems like it was created to fool Congress?

Or, Doty was asked to release it?

Let's be clear it doesn't say anything ground breaking.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

8) Steve Roberts gave Brenda Butler what I believe is the TTSA sample. Which she hid in her house.

In a futile attempt to summarise and erase confusion in my own mind, I've compiled some Roberts nuggets, including associated AFOSI dealings... with comments from Halt's ahem perspective in 2016:


Over a year before the RFI in Nov 1979, Butler is socialising with base pal-of-4-years, 'Steve Roberts', in an RAF Woodbridge club when an base alert kicks the staff into action due to, according to Roberts, a UFO landing on the Bentwaters runway, attended by many high-ranking officers. Halt's opinion today: "A routine exercise, held at regular intervals... not a UFO landing".


Butler claims she unearthed multiple sightings of triangular crafts in the region during Oct/Nov/Dec 1979, she herself having witnessed one outside Halt's house. Halt's opinion, accepted by Butler: "Probably an F-117 as they, as well as other classified aircraft, occasionally visited the base". Cheers, Chuck, worth knowing! And I sort of admire you for finally arresting those UFO gals when they harassed you the nth degree at your home.


Later, on 31st Dec 1980, at a party, Roberts approaches Butler's partner Chris Pennington who becomes the first person to hear of a "landing" at Rendlesham, including the wild Warren-esque story of the base kindly assisting with some alien "repairs". And this is just a few days after the RFI.


In 1982, the East Anglian Star newspaper is the first to publish Dot & Brenda's info about a "key witness" who alleged three 3ft-tall entities in silver suits were seen levitating in shafts of light. Unarmed base personnel watched the visitors repair their craft before they buggered off. An exasperated USAF spokesman sighs, "Every time I hear about this, it becomes more elaborated. All I know is that some people on duty that night saw some lights in the sky". I bet Ridpath was beaming. The article also includes Roberts' drawing of a saucer-shaped UFO standing on three legs.


Roberts tells Butler how Malcolm Zickler (head of Police) was sent back to the USA for failing to complete a clear-up op of the RFI landing site. Halt says: "Zickler was in charge of security for both cases. Both bases operated together within the same chain of command. We are simply talking about a report of unexplained lights; this in itself would not be enough to call out a Disaster Preparedness Team." Plus, Butler is told Penniston was given an AFOSI meeting that included an AFOSI Special Agent and a US Air Force Major.


In 1987, Roberts tells Butler his original story was a hoax to cover-up the real truth. He then ties himself into multiple knots when interviewed by Bruni, such as insisting his drawing matched Halt's memo, whereupon Bruni reminds him that was a 'triangular craft' - Roberts plays the "No Comment" card. His game is more or less up by now. Perhaps usefully, Roberts tells Bruni he WAS debriefed by AFOSI after the events, including being questioned (rather than interrogated), and that no others were interrogated - perhaps the source for the document Doty read?.


Halt's overall view on Roberts/Ingalls: "I agree he was assigned to Police Investigations and may have seen any OSI reports. I doubt they would have shared anything that sensitive unless he was in on a disinformation scheme... He leaked what he heard and embellished it. He got in over his head and didn't know how to get out, or was told to spin the story... I don't believe he was in the forest. He worked days and was probably at home".


Nick Pope, in 'Encounter in Rendlesham Forest', discloses Roberts' real name: J.D. Ingalls. Despite countless requests over 35 years, Ingalls fails to explain how he obtained the info. Halt's opinion today: "He overheard Jim Penniston and probably others telling what they had seen in the forest". Pope himself summarises the Roberts/Ingalls story as "typical of much of the confusion that surrounds the RFI. It's tempting to ascribe the various twists and turns to a conspiracy: the deliberate hand of OSI, perhaps. 'I was helping spread the cover story' certainly sounds better than 'I was shooting my mouth off in the local pubs'... Larry Warren then picked up the story from J.D., and at every step more removed from the actual witnesses, the story changed".


I have issues with Pope, but I think he - and Halt - basically nailed the Roberts enigma there. As for TTSA's 'material' from the RSI, are we sure that it's something other than simply Halt's soil samples?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

i think its safe to say the AF and various agencies that fly these classified platforms are very good at covering their tracks but even to this day you can still find pieces of a F-117 and a SR-71 that crashed in the desert.


It MIGHT be possible someone got their hands on something that came off one of these platforms and held onto it all this time and gave it up for a nice chunk of cash.


If i were in AFOSI and i knew about this(im sure they do) i would make it my mission to know what exactly they claim to have and would flex my powers to get it(now or in the past).

If it is what i think it is then they dont really have anything cutting edge as far as the military and industry goes but it will be interesting to see the results. Metamaterials are not a new thing by any stretch of the imagination, only their applications.

in the early day of stealth coatings there are papers talking about using radioisotopes in the skins of aircraft, and it is a well know fact the nighthawk was a bat killer so it obviously had materials in and under the skin that would absorb and divert ultrasound, i wonder what other frequencies it could do that with.

i dont think i would be holding that stuff too close to my body or touching it.

a reply to: penroc3

You may have nailed it, penroc - Halt's almost casual comment about regular F-117 flights and base landings could arguably clear up the entire mystery if pieces of the platform had fallen into the forest.

Could it really be as simple as that?


PS: Re a previous post, I should clarify that LaPlume's January sighting itself is what caused Halt, Williams & family (including Williams' teenage son!) and other excited staff to launch their somewhat light-hearted Scooby-Doo jaunt into the area, only to be disappointed. LaPlume clearly wasn't impressed by the party atmosphere.

a reply to: ctj83

Can you reference your post. ie Book, chapter page number.

Radio show. Which episode and link for those who do not know.

Cheers.

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a reply to: mirageman

Have you listened to the recent radio show with Jim and Gary?

The host is interesting.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

It was nice to hear that the host, Paul Chuckle, has got straight back into show business after the death of his brother Barry.

But other than that it was obvious how Jim and Gary are hypersensitive to everything said about them on the internet. Anything previously that throws doubts over Jim's story was wrong, or faked, or the fault of someone else. He has excuses now in place and the past was all rubbish because Jim had to get the truth out. The continued smoothing over of the inconvenient holes in his story carry on.

However let's not give him clues any more. He still slipped up. But we should keep these problems to ourselves from now on until his book comes out.

a reply to: mirageman

The host was terrible.
It was total punishment for the ears.

Lets hope the book happens soon. What I did note was the time issues re John Burroughs ???

a reply to: mirageman

you would think if they were so sensitive they would address the critics and answer some of these hard questions but im sure their publisher told them to hold their tongues to protect their brand.


i would love for them to answer some of these issues here, we have already made up our minds so any book or whatever they come out with most of us here know already if we were going to buy it or not(not).

it would take some serious info to change my mind on what really happened.

to me i think they saw some classified aircraft and maybe some electrical phenomena natural or induced, and this story grew out of misinformation and misidentification.

and they just ran with it, im sure they have made some money out of it and the attention it has garnered them im sure some enjoy more then the money.

originally posted by: mirageman

TLDL - the interview is very boring and the short of it is that Heseltine thinks Rendlesham happened because aliens intervened to stop a global nuclear war. The weapons at Bentwaters were not supposed to be there. Personally I think he's talking bollocks for a number of reasons.

Wasn't Heseltine reasonably well-respected for a while before falling under Larry Warren's spell? He's still in the middle of a Capel Green documentary based on the testimony of one man who swallowed Roberts/Ingalls' pub-story, grabbed the best bits from Penniston and Bustinza (his only supporter for a limited time before changing his mind and screaming off into anonymity again) and stitching together an unlikely Frankenstein's monster of a mess.

Has Heseltine been Robbins'ed?

Regarding the RSI as a whole, one incident that still intrigues me is Burroughs and Bustinza 'going forward' after Halt's team returned from the field. Halt certainly acknowledges that aspect, but thereafter the info remains hazy.

When did Burroughs first mention and/or elaborate on this incident (when he recalls running towards a blue light)? Bustinza claims he was 'invisibly' pulled back before seeing Burroughs bathed in the light, but was this first claimed in the 2015 interview? That radio show wasn't helped by fellow guest Warren trying to run the show and no doubt sweating over Bustinza's every word, perhaps guiding him towards the 'Left At East Gate' scenario (which Bustinza had supported in a similarly confusing 80s interview).

Ultimately, Bustinza is charitable by claiming both Burroughs AND Warren were bathed in light with possible 'shadow beings' around each... but by then most listeners must have been left with headaches and nosebleeds galore. The show's co-host Burroughs sounded more confused than ever.

I know how he feels.

Apparently Jay on Twitter revealed the MRI scan of the experiencer injured by the Terrahertz gamma scheme August 8th.

Now it’s gone from the Earthtec website.

Very very interesting. Well, Except I posted it here July 24th.

What it suggests is that it’s either the fatality or the gamma component that shouldn’t be out in the public domain yet.

Looking at Jacobs book, I’d go with Gamma as life expectancy is already discussed.

So how does this relate to the RFI? How can a UAP at 500 yards kill in a few weeks, yet repeated exposure at a handful of yards did not kill any of the airmen within the first few years?

Was this the result of the power system being on idle, or instead a weapon?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Well apparently when caple green comes out we will get new witness information and evidence that will put warren in the Forrest, but I doubt we will get much new info and the RFI circus will continue and we won't be able to let it be...lol.

Looking through some Egyptian archives, my minds eye remembered an image that was drawn by
Penniston in Rendlesham. I see simile in this Osiris Mural and those symbols. Anyone else?

a reply to: penroc3

You can listen to the show yourself here : soundcloud.com...

It's about an hour in total. Unfortunately the host has a very broad Yorkshire accent which is difficult to understand. Although he doesn't really ask any particularly searching questions anyway. Are there some genuinely interesting points? Yes. But make your own mind up.


a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Sadly the whole thing is like a badly scripted soap opera. Yes Heseltine was respected for a while. Warren still has his die hard fans too. But he's upset a lot of people including his co-author. I guess Heseltine probably saw his chance to make a movie and that's why he's keeping Warren strung along. But it is also annoying a lot of people in the process. Just google "Open Letter to Gary Heseltine" for a glimpse at the tip of the iceberg.

As for Burroughs he made no mention of his running into the light in Unsolved Mysteries on 1991 : youtu.be...

Nor in "Strange But True" in 1994 : www.youtube.com...

He does mention it in 2005's "Britain's Roswell" : youtu.be...

Halt only admitted to it after a long time. It's the big mystery of night 3. Halt's tape ends with beaming lights in the sky as he heads back to base. He's also never expanded on what he saw after Burroughs ventured forward.

originally posted by: mirageman

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Halt only admitted to it after a long time. It's the big mystery of night 3. Halt's tape ends with beaming lights in the sky as he heads back to base. He's also never expanded on what he saw after Burroughs ventured forward.

That period after Halt's trek craves questions, especially when Halt says on the tape that they're heading back to base DESPITE the unidentified lights still sending beams down. Was his initial 'shock and awe' soon tamed by a realisation he was observing a natural Ridpath-patented celestial display, or were base staff already acting on Halt's info when the tape ends? Were there any base staff on duty who COULD respond in any meaningful manner to - as Halt usually calls them - "just unexplained lights"? (Incidentally, I think Halt's fresh "ALIENS ARE HERE" stance is more likely based on info gleaned from those US Government/Military personnel he spoke to during retirement rather than the RFI per se.)

Burroughs (usually level-headed and full of questions himself) remembers the ongoing concerns about the beams when Halt greeted him back at the base, just before he went forward with Bustinza. And then... we are bereft of info. DIDDLY SQUAT. JB and AB's lack of memory after that 'blue light' event is no doubt a detail Warren 'borrowed' for his own story which itself awkwardly crowbars in Bustinza, with Warren likely substituting for JB, all within a concocted Roberts/Ingalls-style scenario of a landed craft, attendant base commander, repairs, and rolling cameras etc.

Other than further busting Warren's myth, do the events after Halt's trek warrant further investigation, or do we just... let... it... go...?

One more point about Bustinza, Gawd 'elp us...

Can we more or less disregard Bustinza's Warren-friendly interview from the 80s, as well as his garbled memories (and nervous attempts to placate fellow guest Warren) on the 2015 radio show?

Halt has constantly referred to Bustinza's frightened state of mind whilst at his side the entire time they were tracking the 'red blinking eye'. When he joined Burroughs later, was Bustinza's imagination by now overloaded? Why did Halt recommend he accompany JB, knowing his nervous state? Was Halt chuckling by this stage? Or, by asking JB to attempt to 'communicate' with the blue light, did the story really lead somewhere fresh rather than everyone just sloping home to bed? If so, why no statements/reports?

PS: Then the 'green mist' conundrum springs to mind, a detail pushed by Bustinza - and no doubt again 'borrowed' and extrapolated by Warren for his alleged landed craft that was 'sourced' from the mist. I assume we can just disregard the mist as a natural occurrence.


Perhaps I simply need to LET Bustinza GO, so that the whole case collapses like the house of over-played cards it seems to be.

Some of what we know now

New laser technology could divert lightning strikes
Unlike conventional lasers, the laser bursts used in this research pack extremely high energy into very short timespans on the order of a femtosecond; a billionth of a millionth of a second. "Usually, if you shoot a laser into the air, it is limited by linear diffraction. But if the energy is high enough and condensed into a few femtoseconds, creating a burst of light of extremely high intensity, it propagates through the air in a different way due to self-focusing," Scheller said.
"The problem is that as it also ionizes the air and creates a plasma, so the laser loses energy.

The breakthrough lies in embedding the primary, high-intensity laser beam inside a second beam of lower intensity. As the primary beam travels through the air, the second beam – called dress beam – refuels it with energy and sustains the primary beam over much greater distances than were previously achievable.

phys.org...

Could this account for a combination of a Gamma/X-ray with THz that ctj83 asked?

Laser 'Lightning rods' channel electricity through thin air.
By zapping the air with a pair of powerful laser bursts, researchers at the University of Arizona have created highly focused pathways that can channel electricity through the atmosphere.Earlier this year, a joint team from the UA and the University of Central Florida, which included the authors of the new Optica paper, presented a new approach involving a high-intensity laser beam inside a "dress beam" refueling the primary beam and sustaining it over much greater distances than were previously possible.

"In both experiments, we used two synchronized laser pulses to produce plasma in air," Polynkin said. "But the nature of the second pulse is different in the two cases. Instead of the dress beam, which only lasted femtoseconds, we now use a much more energetic pulse of longer duration – several nanoseconds – that we call heater pulse."

phys.org...
Time is short, sorry.
Would fit in the box of directed energy applications for use in a future planned SDI during the eighties imo?

Before I go, If anyone is interested in Dr. David Anderson, Mr. Peter Moon knew where he was..

Peter Moon said... Dr. David Anderson is alive and well. My latest communication from him was from the country of India where the largest time control facilities in the world are housed. They are near the Digi Hills which is only an hour or two from Mumbai. David has gone off the radar for a few reasons. First and foremost, incredible breakthroughs in research has commanded his primary attention. It is also true that his partners (two in particular) were not in favor of him releasing the video demonstration of his time control chamber. There were about twenty of us who saw an early version of it on video tape on April 10, 2010. I video'd much of the presentation but was not allowed to video the time chamber that was being shown on video. The human reaction to his knowledge is also another reason why humanity has not been given further clues. There is a mad dog reaction that was also suffered by Joe Matheny when he talked about his Metamachine, a synchronicity generator based upon artificial intelligence programming, which precipitated strange and intense coincidences in the physical. That is now patented too. universe, but he had to put up with a lot of bull# from people's lack of intelligence and development. I keep a blog (www.digitalmontauk.com) and there is some data on Dr. David Anderson that you might find of interest. I will keep updates on him on that blog. I have more to add to it but have not had the time to put everything up. None of that, however, is real recent (in the last two months or so). I make an annual trip to Romania where I sometimes see him. I am also hoping to make a trip to India in the next couple of years or so. He is no longer president of the WGF because of his workload. He is still involved, however, in the background as he is a major funding source for WGF. March 8, 2012 at 4:26 PM

historybizarremysterious.blogspot.com...

The rest of the comments section is interesting too.

Peter Moon is also in hand to promote the time travel idea including Dr. Anderson's 'invention'.
timetravel.mykajabi.com...

My thoughts on this would be the obvious. If this device worked, and would be so detrimental to us if used, why advertise it, still? Is all this just a case of giving money and attention to something that will only end up with a new car for the victor? (I revert to my experience as a child)
Too many holes, and not traversable ones, imo. Time will tell.

One more thing.(Or two)

“Although conflict has many aspects, one that warfighters and policy makers often talk about is the motivation to fight, which undoubtedly has its origins in the brain and is reflected in peripheral neurophysiological processes,” the NRC report notes. “So one question would be, ‘How can we disrupt the enemy’s motivation to fight?’ Other questions raised by controlling the mind: ‘How can we make people trust us more?’ ‘What if we could help the brain to remove fear or pain?’ ‘Is there a way to make the enemy obey our commands?’…As cognitive neuroscience and related technologies become more pervasive, using technology for nefarious purposes becomes easier.”

scienceprogress.org...

Emerging Cognitive Neuroscience and Related Technologies.
Editors
National Research Council (US) Committee on Military and Intelligence Methodology for Emergent Neruophysiological and Cognitive/Neural Research in the Next Two Decades.

Source
Washington (DC): National Academies Press (US); 2008.A key tool for the intelligence community, this book will also be a useful resource for the health industry, the military, and others with a vested interest in technologies such as brain imaging and cognitive or physical enhancers.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...

When all is said and done, when I listen to this this gentleman again, it speaks volumes to me, when I consider how we got here?