Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: ConfusedBrit
Native Indian tribes regard the owl as a symbol of death, hence it's the animal form chosen by main villain Bob who is the embodiment of a Native American demonic spirit. I doubt Lynch has been to Bohemian Grove, but I wouldn't put it past co-creator Mark Frost who I suspect was the main instigator of the UFO/HS angle, and must be reveling in the wide-ranging Conspiracy Theory theme of the latest series (which I have yet to see).

There may be something here...

The belief that owls are messengers and harbingers of the dark powers is also found among the Hočągara (Winnebago) of Wisconsin.[49] When in earlier days the Hočągara committed the sin of killing enemies while they were within the sanctuary of the chief's lodge, an owl appeared and spoke to them in the voice of a human, saying, "From now on the Hočągara will have no luck." This marked the beginning of the decline of their tribe.[50] An owl appeared to Glory of the Morning, the only female chief of the Hočąk nation, and uttered her name. Soon afterwards she died.[51][52]

en.wikipedia.org...

In a nice synchronicity, if you like that sort of thing, Glory of the Morning's Thunderbird clan was based on Doty island, named after James Duan Doty...any relation do you think?

Either way, thanks for the insight, I think I'm starting to see something other than just what I want to see.

a reply to: mirageman

I remember this from late 70s/early 80s? I thought it was shown in the mornings during school summer holidays but I can't really remember. Nor much much about the plot. It was about a bunch of people lost on a mystical island (sound familiar?) in the Bermuda Triangle. Some were aliens, some from different Earth time zones. There's a few old epsiodes around on YT. Apparently DC Fontana (of Star Trek TOS fame) worked on it. I seem to remember this was around the time that "Battlestar Galactica", "Man from Atlantis" and "Buck Rogers" were all produced in the wake of Close Encounters and Star Wars. I sometimes wonder if these shows were made to project certain 'supernatural beliefs' in a fictional setting. Mainly to tune young impressionable minds in a certain way. Then began a project to diffuse these ideas into UFO lore and make people believe in some of these links with Ancient Aliens, galactic federations, Atlantis, lost human civilizations, crop circles and everything else in that pot that has been thrown in since. Something definitely changed in the 1980s as ufology took a more sinister turn and I don't think aliens were behind it!

YES SIR, That is a home run if you ask me or at least too close too home in my opinion


Sorry for the yelling but this is so spot on in my personal beliefs and views of Ufolgy that its annoying that you just expressed my beliefs better than I could have.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: The GUT

You mean?

Part 1

Look at the first comment by someone called Steve L!

Part II

There's another comment there too!

Seems like these "Merc Schools" were started in 1981. That's right after Rendlesham had happened. There's also a very interesting part about Frank's military records and his responses too. As we know someone involved in the RFI discovered their records had been messed with too.

I wonder how long those videos will survive on YT?

Duh me...and there they are! Thank you and everyone that's showing an interest. Like I said this has been bugging me for awhile. I wonder if any students from the vid showed up elsewhere later. They mostly seem like lost souls needing father figures and prime for various abuse. And lookie "Steve L." mentions Nicaragua and didn't 'correct' it with Honduras like KT had just mentioned.



Of the two former students I've seen that reference Frank's school they both seem to give him good marks. Steve L had nice things to say about him and here’s the webpage of another graduate of Frank’s “Merc School” that was local to the Dolomite compound (Birmingham.)

What’s particularly interesting to me is how the guy is referencing—without realizing it some now-known covert fronts for paramilitary operations in support of the Contras ala Ollie North & Co. Funding, arming, merc contractors, etc. He sounds quite indoctrinated with the IC-inspired foreign policy rhetoric of the day.

Mercenary School Graduate

MM: So it appears after being damaged goods (don't get me wrong he seems like a nice enough guy just lost and abused) and leaving the military LaPlume somehow found his way to Frank? I wonder how that came about?

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

There is a bit where La Plume mentions the high turnover at the twin bases and that there was an individual there that was making it "easy" for people to get out of the service to the extent that he was found out and let go...that raised an eyebrow for me...I thought that La Plume said he would say more about him later but I don't think that he got back around to it, unless I am missing it.

Another thing I am intrigued by, La Plume keeps referring to tunnel-vision and brain fog when he saw the craft, does he mean this literally or figuratively...did his perception change, or did he just get hyper-focused (ie on defensive alert)?

He mentions that Palmer (?) the senior officer at the gate asked him if he was going to report the sighting and he said he wasn't...he was subsequently followed and felt intimidated...doesn't that sound like some kind of a test?

From La Plume, the places he mentions I was thinking that the work he was doing was protecting private, corporate interests, maybe arms and supply route protection...I'm intrigue by his repeated Freudian slip of saying Nicaragua and correcting it with Honduras...I counted three times he does that, he doesn't seem to have the same issue with other places he mentions...so, tell me more about these FBI cointelpro operations please.


I think that you may have hit a nail though in terms of selection processes. It has a certain ting-a-ling-ling to it.

Wow, good info and observations, KT. So far there seems to be some continuity to the theory that some kind of "selection process" was in play both before and after RFI. I think they've continued to use our "lost boys" in Oswald-like fashion. Considering that it appears that there is fairly hard evidence that Burroughs was a victim of some kind of testing I personally--and the evidentiary items too--keep coming back to Unca' Sam and his addiction to full-spectrum dominance.

a reply to: The GUT

Where does Arouet fit in. Other than seemingly having trained there and his insight re laPlume?

a reply to: mirageman

Oy Vey!!

This LaPlume character has cost me some time this AM — read several of his replies — and I’ll just take a bite from one bit: he mentioned he believes it (‘incident’) was likely a case of time travel or a ‘bleeding through’. It’s possible. The passage of time is ‘real’ but it’s definitely not linear.

There are cases in microeconomics where you encounter discontinuities, which are thresholds where the fundamentals of economics fall apart. A clever psychologist/economist was curious about these discontinuities and set out to do what academics do: win a Nobel Prize. Nah, that’s not it really, but he did beat back the rational choice theory model with the prospect theory model, winning a Nobel in economics. His name is Daniel Kahneman and below is a TED Talk — of about 20 min — that I believe everyone will be truly rewarded in having watched.



My take on what he said is biased, but to quote the oft-misinformed Joe Rogan, “once you see the ‘way’, you see it in all things”. I time traveled this past weekend watching Twin Peaks and hearing the music, and being like, “ah snap, I totally remember my parents freaking out over the carnie speaking pig latin....holy sh$t! It’s totally right there in my mind like it was yesterday. All of it. The tv. My dad’s recliner. My mom.” Yeah, it’s real.

And thanks again, dude. That TP clip of the serviceman’s articulation of the phenomenon was much appreciated — I’m old enough now to understand the themes/tropes/etc and what an incredibly rewarding binge watch TP is.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

ufowaves.org...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: The GUT

Where does Arouet fit in. Other than seemingly having trained there and his insight re laPlume?

I must've missed that discussion. You remember what page that was?

a reply to: The GUT

I posted the link a few posts back the Gut. You may have missed it.

Quote. Mr. LaPLUM was an attendant at Dolomite Merc as I was, GUTter, not at the same time or in the same capacity. He wasn't a graduate and he wasn't trained in LRRPs ops either. Let's say he was a magnanimous stretcher of his imagination and leave it at that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: The GUT

I posted the link a few posts back the Gut. You may have missed it.

Quote. Mr. LaPLUM was an attendant at Dolomite Merc as I was, GUTter, not at the same time or in the same capacity. He wasn't a graduate and he wasn't trained in LRRPs ops either. Let's say he was a magnanimous stretcher of his imagination and leave it at that.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Oh yeah, I see you're out in front of me. Yeah, that's where I first met Arouet---under that name. And Frank. Frank himself has/had more socks by far than anyone I've seen here---even more than Arouet! And not just here but internet-wide. Did Arouet attend Frank's school? Maybe, maybe not.

So I went back and refreshed myself trying to get my bearings again. I'm a little rusty. Maybe time to revisit some of this?

originally posted by: LaPlume


...It is true there were a group of us that were new. I have no clue as to how many new vs older SP's were in the forest that night but please note while the forest was UK we did have war games with British troops in there on a few occasions so some of the older SP's would have known at least a bit about the forest...


...My personal thoughts are thus; We were Efed with in some manner to believe we saw a UFO. I can not explain how Penniston came up with a bunch of 001101010101010 stuff to actually get Coordinates to hot spots around the world one of which was in China at a place that is one of the most sacred Mountains in Chinese culture and historically was very important to the Chinese. Again a whole slew of unanswered questions makes this case very interesting.

I talked to John Burroughs about this like maybe 4 years ago and he at the time seemed to think Electro Magnetic Radiation would have been used to somehow make us open our minds while perhaps holograms were shown. again I have no clue. But I do know that there are a few side effects to this upon studying it and radiation burns to the eyes as some had. Uncontrolled feeling of grief or doom (Some airmen were supposedly seen leaning against trees and crying) and also a very aggressive attitude where there was none before. I would have to say I fell in to that category...


...After this incident I changed inside I changed I knew it I felt it I grew up and grew a set of brass balls seemingly overnight. I wanted to go fight I wanted to go to Rhodesia and fight I wanted blood (Rhodesia had ended though but there were still ranchers needing security) Larry can testify one of the last things I said to him (Excuse the vulgarity) was when he asked me what I planned to do when I got out my reply was "I want to go to Africa and kill 'n-word's" I had never said that word a day in my life before that. I heard it come out of my mouth and wondered who it was that had said it...

... I ended up in Nicaragua fighting with the Contras. Ok fair enough war is war. Jungle fighting suited me well I liked it and I was pretty good at it. I am still here despite a few extra holes in me. I am not bragging truly I am not I am trying to show the polite mammas boy who left for basic training in July of 1980 was not the same man that returned in April of 1981. Something happened I just have no clue as to what...

...Today after man years of trying to get my Chit together I have rejoined the human race and I no longer have such a blood lust. But I sure as heck did then. I was in love with death it was damn near sexual is the best way I can describe it..I simply did not care about anything life friends nothing I was simply out for blood.

So tell me why did I change so radically so quickly? No really anyone have an answer to offer? Part of the reason I wish to talk about this is to find out the answer to that question. Its been what 33 years now? That's a long time to wonder about such a thing with no more clue now than I did the day after the event.

Cheers
Steve

I feel ya' Steve. You have your suspicions you were manipulated to the point of extreme personality change. I do to. Glad you seem to have found yourself again.

a reply to: The GUT

He is very active on ATS. I don't know if he was or not. It was what he said re laPlume which caught my attention. And the rest of it all. A lot of sock changing all over.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout

One of the reasons I don't like art critique is because I enjoy suspending my disbelief and being immersed in other realities...when we started extrapolating what the artist intended or meant we start to lose sight of the whole that the artist wanted to present...if that makes sense. Science is like that, or has been like that for too long, it looks at the pieces, extracts the elements puts them into neat, delineated piles instead of seeking to understand what role they play in situ...

That's a very astute observation, KT, and one I'm sure David Lynch supports - a reason he's so notoriously tight-lipped about the meanings in all his movies. For example, I wish I'd never read endless long art critiques of Lynch's debut, 'Eraserhead' (1977) and the 'fear of parenthood' symbolism therein - it somehow takes away from the other-worldly artistic whole by over-analysing (as you say) "pieces".

... all art becomes art through interaction with the audience, it is the audience that finds the truths hidden within.

And no better example of Lynch's work underlines this more resolutely than his eternally confusing 'Inland Empire' (2006) - his last cinema release, packed with elements that bend narrative, time and reality in an exhausting fashion that can easily frustrate beyond belief; however, on a lazy rainy afternoon, Lynch can just as easily seduce you into its dark alternative world. A few gins probably help, too!

[Re Twin Peaks] Those of my own age group perhaps did but more for the beautiful young cast members...it was very niche back then, and I think to those of us who really dug it, it was because it showed a reality we could far better relate to than the soap operas that were grey and lifeless thriving on the delusion that everyone says what they think and means what they say. Twin Peaks instead was telling us how it really was.

Not sure if that makes any sense, so I shall end it there...my point being I didn't really have that WTF moment so I find it hard to relate to, or recollect it having that effect.

Oh yeah, 'Twin Peaks' was like a secret refuge for the young mind, reflecting real life (and its twisty, frustrating mini-details) far more honestly than the typical soap-operas Lynch and Frost were openly mocking. As soon as the Bluebook Major and SETI elements arrived, and being familiar with Lynch's previous work, that 'secret' became ever more enticing. That Lynch was allowed anywhere near a major TV production was a wild notion back in 1990!

And then we have 1999's 'The Straight Story' to compound all his regular critics. However, in a curious way, I found its peaceful pace, carefully crafted odd-ball characters, and achingly beautiful photography just as surreal on its own terms as his more controversial endeavours - but I may be alone in that.


Now... the strange story of Steve LaPlume I've rudely interrupted - Lynch could construct an entire series out of THAT tale alone!

a reply to: The GUT

I note here...

originally posted by: LaPlume
But for the record let me state this. We were trained specialists. We were not a bunch of keystone cops. We all took our job very seriously. We had the right to shoot people on sight if they breached our security so it was not a game for us it was real life and we were not a bunch of fools or incompetent security personnel. We were not mall cop security and I have seen some comments by people suggesting this or that we were drunk or stoned or whatever. That did not happen that I ever saw. Once I do know of a guy that was either hung over or a bit drunk from the night before on post and he was removed from post so fast his head spun. We had exercises every night to keep us on our toes and we never knew when an exercise would take place so, well, you get the picture. I just get offended when people suggest we were less than professional and not trained well. We were trained very well.

In the video you linked before, when he refers to his own sighting of a craft he goes into some detail about how he was very hung over from the party he had in his dorm room the night before when he went on duty...

...small detail, but...

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

I must confess I haven't seen any of Lynch's later work so I am somewhat at a loss, I'll have to take your word for it. I enjoyed the chat though, eye opening. Thanks.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

Did you see the paper posted several pages back?

originally posted by: zeroPointOneQ
a reply to: mirageman

I'm sorry for the off topic since I don't want to derail the topic, but this link may (or may not) be an interesting read for some of you here.

blogs.discovermagazine.com...

I particularly liked the Air Loom-esq illustrations

I think we should all be grateful that Steve cast his presence here for a very brief time nearly 5 years ago. His time at Bentwaters/Woodbridge was not seemingly a happy one and he wanted out after his experience.

We had heard a rumor of a UFO in the woods but not much came of it for a while....but little has been said about the sighting that Senior Airmen Palmer and myself had a few weeks later.

A few things to point out is that when we saw this thing it was like a plane or a satellite in the sky. Very far off and basically just moving up and down kind of zig zagging in the southern sky. It head out toward the North Sea and we lost it behind the forest.

The thing I remember most was that once Palmer confirmed with the tower that the only thing up were a few choppers and a C-130, we decided to call it in because we had been instructed to report anything like that.

Well man the sh** hit the fan... As soon as he called it in the phone rang in the shack at the East gate. Lt. Englund was there and told me to report - which I did. He then told me to stay put and keep an eye out. I relayed this to Palmer...

Col. Halt...showed up - also present was a high ranking officer, with his wife and son. No lie! I remember the Nikon camera around the kid's neck. But mostly I remember his wife being all excited and saying "Oh boy, maybe we get to see one" or something very close to that...

Lt. Englund finally showed up and told me not to be nervous but that Col. Williams would be here in a minute and would ask me to report and I was to say all safe and secure. He also informed me that the Col was just voted a General by Congress a few days earlier. I had just turned eighteen. (no pressure Steve just stay calm).

After reporting they all.. headed out toward the forest. I was baffled as to why since the thing was miles in the sky...
About an hour later they came back and went their separate ways. Of course they posted me on the gate for the rest of the night instead of riding around with Palmer (who was LE not Security)..

Later... I think about an hour, Palmer came back to check on me. All was quiet and ..we both noticed there was a craft out toward the Orford Light house... It came in very low and I estimated about 1000 ft off the deck. I only had the trees to use as a reference. The thing came right out over the forest and had a pale blue light under it, which illuminated the ground...

The craft came directly toward us and soon we were both engulfed in the light and the craft was directly overhead. I remember thinking " Wow this is like the coolest thing I have ever seen". I was not scared, just in complete awe. Then it went to the southern sky and made its way up until I /we could not tell it from a star. And it was gone. We decided not to call that one in.

...I have three thoughts in closing.

1st - If it was a UFO why did Palmer and I see it and no one else?

2nd - Palmer was very "stand offish" and was later assigned to the AFOSI. I feel he was involved somehow in this and might even believe it was some sort of hallucination experiment like he may have sprayed me with something and I was given suggestive thoughts. I don't know just a thought here.

3rd - Why would all this brass come out of the wood work at one in the morning if there was not something going on?

I offer no explanation I still have no idea what I saw other than its size shape and lack of noise. As far as the others who had the big incident I have no doubt they believe they saw what they saw.

As a side note - I "snapped" and got kicked out of the service...

Source : 81sps.homestead.com...

He seems to have been a mercenary, a construction worker, a professional biker, an actor, and a bouncer...although no references to the VIllage people please...

Steven R. LaPlume began life in New England, the son of a police officer. He was tested in the 2nd grade and found to have a 147 IQ. Though bored with school he chose to stay with his class mates and just be like everyone else. Steven Joined the US Air Force in 1979. He was stationed at RAF Bentwaters WoodBridge in Suffolk England and was associated with the famous Rendelsham forest UFO incident in 1980/1981.

Steven went on to work as a professional Mercenary soldier... and was involved in the Iran Contra Affair. Other actions are not detailed though he worked as a Mercenary on and off until 2002. In between missions he got married, had 2 children and worked in the construction field. His last mission was on the US Mexican border doing ranch security against drug smugglers.

In 1987 Steve began a career in racing super bike motorcycles he ranked 21st in the AMA CCS 3 hour national endurance race series in 1988. he retired from semi professional racing at age 48.

In February of 2003 Steve Moved his family to Suzhou China where he appeared on a game show and a local movie about expats moving to Suzhou China. in 2005 Steven Moved from Suzhou to Shanghai and he appeared in one international TV commercial, a Chinese TV series called "The war after the war" which he played the part of a US commandant of a Japanese POW camp after the war. Steve Also played the part of the German foreign minister in a film titled Peking 1900. Steve had a one line cameo appearance in the TV series.. titled "Welcome to Shanghai" which chronicled the growth of Shanghai over the decades. Steve Played a well to do socialite interviewing a prospect for an elite club. Steve also did some fashion modeling which is un-credited and unknown as the photographs were distributed with out permission so there is no real trace of them to ad credits.

While in China Steve also worked as a professional bouncer at one of Shanghais most notorious bars as well as a private body guard for stars and well off executives when they visited Shanghai for a company called "Shanghai Guardian Security Company" who contracted to Emma Entertainment.

Steve has not acted since his return to the USA...
Source : www.imdb.com...

What I found rather disturbing are the words in his last post on here

I have nothing more to add to this case that I can think of and actually I thought it might be a good idea to get on here and talk about this but it actually is causing me a bit of anxiety and I think I will just crawl back in to my hole and stop talking about al this. I am not sure why but every now and then I get the urge to talk about this issue but when I do it really causes anxiety no sleep etc and then I back off. When I don't talk about it then I live life like a normal person. So After I figure out when John talked to me That will be about it for me.

Sorry but this is just a stressful issue given the whole deal with me and leaving the service the way I felt I needed to for my own safety (at the time) Just a big bad dream for me I would rather forget I guess when it comes down to it.

Just trying to be honest here. but for those who think this case is al B.S. I assure you it effected everyone involved in some manner and mostly in a negative manner. I can not comment on how people have reacted or what they are doing now or their motives. I never got into the whole lime light dog and pony show end of this I have no agenda other than to try to figure out what I saw that night. Good luck with your quest.


Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...

a reply to: mirageman

as for you last quote box,

when i was first 'introduced' to strange aerial displays and a few rather unsettling close encounters with a black triangle type craft it really shook me to my core.

it is one thing to say you believe in ET or a secret space program, and it is another thing to see it feet away and seemingly interacting with you.

It changed the core of what i call me, so i feel for the guy. Add on top of that military intelligence doing whatever it is they did to them it might be enough to push someone to the edge and maybe over it.

originally posted by: KilgoreTrout
a reply to: The GUT


In the video you linked before, when he refers to his own sighting of a craft he goes into some detail about how he was very hung over from the party he had in his dorm room the night before when he went on duty...

...small detail, but...

Another small-maybe-bigger detail is Halt (quoted earlier) confirming that F-117s regularly flew over and landed at the bases. This was in response to the early-80s Butler Brigade having seen a triangular craft flying over Halt's own home whilst they were incessantly harassing him (and soon arrested).

Could Steve, in the midst of a hangover, have misidentified an F-117 in January '81?

Then again, surely Halt, Williams & Co would have known about such a craft's flight when they gleefully came bounding over to see for themselves after Steve notified them?


Regarding another unrelated question I raised earlier (but nobody really wanted to fly with it), can we be absolutely certain that nothing 'major' occurred upon Halt's return from the field? We certainly have an off-duty Burroughs and Adrian Bustinza running towards a blue light, but is it true that neither of them remember anything from that point? Halt confirms they went forward but, again, no info or confirmation about what transpired?

I drives me NUTS... well, sort of. Considering it's the only period during that early morning that Larry Warren's wild story could have occurred (because Bustinza was one of Warren's major players, but was with Halt in the field until then), why has nobody clarified events so that 'Left At East Gate' can't sneak in by the back door? I'm guessing this 'window of opportunity' is what Gary Heseltine and Warren are currently banking on.

I can easily see how Warren stitched together bits and pieces of other people's accounts to create LAEG, but is it not possible to sew that part of the morning up for the sake of tidiness, at least?

a reply to: ConfusedBrit

Think about what was said here way back in early 2014

Note that one way that is easy to debunk a story is to get those involved telling conflicting stories. Then all involved look like liars and are therefore unreliable. It would make sense that if someone did not want this to come out for the truth it was then all involved would have been messed with or at least enough people to make the others look like fools.

Source : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Does that seem feasible? Tempt people with money and fame or threaten them with consequences. Wealth, Violence and Information are the three forms of power. It looks like first two may have been employed to prevent the latter getting out here.