Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

originally posted by: AdamE

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Baablacksheep

Astounding podcast.

I note that John did not mention his heritage. I’m assuming that it includes some Native American. That would have been a BIg eye opener.

The fact he does not have MRI proof of an antenna is interesting.

How then do we define the heritage of this ‘Group B’ of alledgedly sensitives, experiencer and intuitives?

Do they cluster?

Can we see a commonality between Geller, Swann and Burrows?

From John Burroughs.

The DNA study showed that I was Westeurasian America Northern America and America My testing was done at Mitotyping Technologies that does Forensic Mitochondrial DNA testing. A check of all DNA Forensic data bases had only one match of my DNA. My son has no heritage and no matches in the Forensic data base!

I've got to say this disappoints me enormously, not Burroughs' genetic profile specifically, but the fixation with this blood-line crap. Firstly I think that Dr Green, who had clearly been trying to hook Burroughs from the start of his contact with him, found his bait and will try again to reel him in using this. Having listened to the podcast however, I don't fancy his chances...but quite above and beyond that, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever that only certain ethnic groups would possess this whatever it is that they propose them to possess. What it could indicate to me however is that Green et al have identified a framework of experience that validates their own beliefs and are cherry-picking which "visions" and or "delusions" they will give credence to. Everyone else doesn't make the cut. It is probable that because Native Americans are less removed, in time, from their animistic beliefs that they do indeed appear to support a cohesive belief pattern that supports a belief in psychic ability, but surely, surely the limitations of such a belief is what makes it a cult and little more.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Excellent insights KT. FTD will be Foreign Technology Division, I think.

I appreciate your points about Terahertz an you might be right, but you know that rain or moisture cripples terahertz range. I'm assuming you are British, so you'll be well aware that the chance of that time of year, near the sea that there wasn't moisture in the air....

You're also not able to factor in the proposed gamma beam component.

Can we try a hypothetical scenario to illustrate where I think this is going?

Remember the old TV series, the Incredible Hulk with Bill Bixby?



You know how during the intro, he's sat in the machine that targets him with the gamma rays? It's a big machine, and if you were to visit a hospital today, that kind of device isn't in a backpack or a briefcase.

Of course, it could easily be fitted to a transport plane or almost any ship at sea.

Which is where we hit another conundrum.

Remote Platforms Require FAR More Power

If the field (I'm excluding the beam component for ease of demonstration) that injured the airmen was just that, an EM field, then we have to take into account the inverse square law. For the sake of those just joining, this means that the power of the field is going to fall off fast.

So, if you've got a satellite, ship or aircraft, the power at the point of emissions would have to be an order of magnitude greater. That means it would be doing a LOT more than disrupting pacemakers out at sea.

Stability Of A Remote Platform

Let's assume we have a Soviet trawler out in the North Sea, or a Hercules circling round repeatedly with the type of generator we need. Firstly, the transport plane is going to have to do repeated circling. This is going to be noticed by everyone from base radar, to LHR.

We could argue that we have a very large stealth platform. That's a lot of effort with technology we've never seen demonstrated.

Why bother? To shoot some airmen in a wood, and 'maybe' incapacitate them in 30 years?

There is another problem. You can't maintain a fixed position at sea. You can't do it in the air. You can do it from Satellite.

How the heck can you target the airmen's heads?

If it was a general field of unimaginable strength then we would see serious effects closer to the source, be that straight up or out to sea. If this far inland the 'source' was giving people white gums, then the place should have been littered with dead rabbits, birds, hedgehogs etc.

How do you maintain a targeting lock through the forest. A general field can't do it. A linear beam can't do it. You hit wood and foliage.

Why I Don't Think a Mobile Emitter Works

So for a Soviet mobile terahertz / gamma platform we have the problems of:
- You need to loiter a lot
- An EM field of the strength required would be killing things that were closer
- You wouldn't get localised injuries.
- You can't easily explain Burrough's more severe injures without considering his location to the phenomena. (inverse square law being our friend this time)

Why?

Cobra Mist
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Wasn't functional / present at the time of the injuries
Emitter facing wrong way
If it could generate the injuries claimed then it was either used to target the men, or it should have already shown devastating effects on forest wildlife.
It couldn't send terahertz very far at all on a damp UK night
Doesn't generate Gamma rays
Couldn't selectively target airmen
Falloff difference between how close John got versus Jim does not work out

Mobile Terrestrial Soviet Platform
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How do you target human hearts and heads from a platform changing position continually in all three dimensions?
How do you let that platform loiter without getting shot down?
Why do you bother doing this for an effect 30 years later? Or did they just not test very well?

Conclusion
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I think there is something Big with Cobra Mist, maybe a NAFTA related Soviet / UK incursion and an interference generator near by. We now know on the 29th someone tried to break into the base. Was a sabotage plan attempted for that time period by Warsaw Pact forces?

Or, is Cobra Mist another Cold War mystery but unrelated.

Whatever the case, understanding the interference could go a long way.

a reply to: ctj83

I've got to hop now but I go on a stomach full of information to digest.

I'll be back when I have time to regurgitate.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I'll look forward to your insights. They are consistently excellent.

Another posted by John Burroughs.

Dr Kit Green in it.

www.youtube.com...

All very interesting stuff ladies and gentleman.

Anyone familiar with this

Team shrinks particle accelerator: Prototype demonstrates feasibility of building terahertz accelerators

Terahertz accelerator modules easily fit into two fingers. Credit: DESY/Heiner Mueller-Elsner

An interdisciplinary team of researchers has built the first prototype of a miniature particle accelerator that uses terahertz radiation instead of radio frequency structures. A single accelerator module is just 1.5 centimetres long and one millimetre thick...

...For their prototype the scientists used a special microstructured accelerator module, specifically tailored to be used with terahertz radiation. The physicists fired fast electrons into the miniature accelerator module using a type of electron gun...

Read more at: phys.org...

Obviously this breakthrough came 35 years too late. I somehow doubt this was kept a secret for that long.

This search for an answer in the forest might mean we actually aren't seeing the woods for the trees. There is a larger window where it appear Burroughs must have received his injuries than the Christmas holiday period of 1980.

In 1979, Burroughs passed the USAF entrance physical and was assigned to RAF Woodbridge, where, in December, 1980 he was exposed to the effects of an anomalous vehicle. From the moment of the event, Burroughs suffered from a variety of symptoms, including those of eye, throat, and gum disease.

In the summer of 1981, Burroughs made a visit to a civilian emergency room and was found to have an unusual heart condition. Despite this, he was allowed to stay in the military and remain on active duty.

In 1988, when Burroughs left active duty for the reserves, his exit physical records show vision and heart damage, clearly implying that he incurred disability during the term of his service. ...

...In August[2013] Burroughs received a letter from the VA in which he was informed that his request for benefits was denied due to the fact that “there are no medical records for the period 1979 to 1983 and no form DD214 showing service in that time period...

Burrough exhibits unique symptoms that are consistent with a specific form of EM radiation in the millimeter range, potentially from an unexpected source...

Meanwhile anecdotal evidence indicates that the process of denying VA patient records as “classified” may involve hundreds of thousands of disabled veterans who may have prostrate, thyroid cancers or heart damage as a result of exposure to high power, ELF or very high frequency EM radiation, above the Gigahertz range.

Source : Statement by Pat Frascogna on Burroughs Injuries

So sometime between joining the USAF in 1979 and the summer of 1981 when his Burroughs heart condition was diagnosed is the actual period when the injuries were sustained. Remember Steve LaPlume's Story occurred in mid January 1981. So perhaps the exposure to whatever caused John's injuries was not necessarily just a consequence of his encounters in the forest. There may be other things to consider.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I think totally dismissing the "heritage / DNA" aspect of it would be foolish, closing off our lines of investigation based on our own bias will only limit what we discover.

You only have to look at the "experiencer" data in terms of whole families suffering from either contact/abductions/experiences etc. Is this a genetic anomaly or simply geographical proximity, a real experience or whole family experiencing the same delusion from different perspectives?

The DNA findings for example, they could be manipulated, they could be inconclusive which is why his son has no heritage line rather than not having any heritage. I myself have had 2 DNA tests in terms of learning of my own ancestry and there was very obvious differences between the two tests in some areas that didnt make sense?

Its the data we should be scrutinizing from previous research into the DNA/Omega3/TTSA Experiancer group that would be most interesting.

I am not conclusively saying that the whole DNA thing is the answer, I am saying that is something we should consider before dismissing so quickly.

If we only look for nuts and bolts....that is all we will find or not find..
Keeping our minds open BUT maintaining objectivity is really important I believe.

a reply to: ctj83

Why does John not pay the few grand he mentions for verification. I doubt he will be stuck for cash. Even a gofund me if so important ?

a reply to: pigsy2400

When you say Omega 3, is that like fish oil, or a code word?

Here is how I see what is believed. I don't agree with it, but I have nothing but personal beliefs to go on. I'm a skeptic, and I'd like to see a simpler answer. My thoughts? It's total BS...

Here is what you get if you take Grant Cameron and Phenomenon radio interviews, add in Tom Delonge reveals, the experiencer group, Phenomenon the book, Hal Puthoff, Jacques Vallee. At least how I see it.

- There are various portals around the world
- Out of these emerge 3-4 different shapes of craft (Triangular, Saucer, Tic Tac, Other)
- These are controlled by the 'Others'
- Seems to be Planet Earth on the other side, just not quite ours
- The 'Others' occasionally either mess up or intentionally crash tech to destabilise the balance of power
- They instigate extremism and cults to alter the balance of power on earth
- They mutilate cattle and play tricks on people

- Certain humans have a different heritage to the rest of us
- They are more sensitive to these intrusions into our reality
- They can also link with other 'minds' via Quantum coherence
- These humans may be ancestors of Atlantians or hybrids created by...
- Human modification via targeted radiation, resulting in brain and epigenetic changes

- The technology they have are
-- Portals
-- Cloaking that cannot defeat FLIR only visible light
-- Lifting bodies that use terahertz radiation to reduce gravity (because 'science')

- Ala Nick Redfern, some believe that the Others are the devil
-Hence why the programs don't get funding, due to ideological differences

There is the new 'core' story. The plan is to get as much out of the 'others' mind to advance human technology and turn the tables.

Personally, I don't buy it, but it's the closet you'll get to a new 'Core Story' and a framework to parse events with.

Roswell
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Related to the development of Cold War weapons, the 'critters' crash to change the balance of power fo the Cold War. Or to distract from some other progress that was being made.

Rendlesham
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Whatever "it" is has either an interest in the weapons at the base or the airmen itself. It came to alter the course of the Cold War. It messed with the minds of the airmen after popping out of its portal three nights in a row.

a reply to: ctj83

The plan is to get as much out of the 'others' mind to advance human technology and turn the tables.

How do they plan on doing that? Or am I missing the plot?

a reply to: ctj83

Omega 3 was a case study done by mufon to see if there was any patterns with experiencers.It was quite scientific in its approach surprisingly.

Some but not all of its findings indicated that people that experienced high strangeness were more likely to; had had traumatic childhoods/abuse at pivotal stages of cognitive development aka escapism, had near death experiences, had practiced meditations including those of kundalini practices and had native American ancestry.


The people that weren't any of the above were alot less likely to have been experiencers from their control group.

In terms of nuts and bolts, well.. I believe the answer lies more within quantum mechanics /strangeness than anything else. A background quantum static that transcends time and our reality so to speak.

In terms of cults, maybe they really did or at least believed they had a way to communicate with these others, I don't know.

The dawn of quantum computing may shed some light on this, considering how q machines actually process information. Maybe vallee was right, we need to look at it from a meta information systems perspective.

a reply to: ctj83

Wow ctj83. One could write a book with all those ideas!

Cutting through the Biological/Chemical and Germ warfare side of Wright Patterson/White Sands test areas during the 40's (Kapustin Yar was the Soviet equivalent) which always seems to be overlooked by the majority of those that apparently research the Roswell subject. (Including the Forrestal debacle) as well as certain radiological experiments.

But I digress.

I have spent most of this week mostly eating 'Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?' from the very beginning.

Quality reading material.

It is also a nice thing to see people move from one point of view to the next as various information is presented whether, relevent or not so, and changing or consider changing their opinions as this process occurs.

Looking at what has been posted over the past few days on the facebook site, including Hawking Radiation which also involves THz which in turn (according to the article) is related to Black holes or traversable black holes.

This is the sort of thing you study when looking into warping space and time, or even the Warp Drive that is a hot topic, it seems.

One more thing I found interesting. A gentleman by the name of Jack Anderson mentions some of the 'Off the wall FUNDED projects' he wrote about in a 1981 article, which Including a Hyperspatial Nuclear Howitzer and an Anti Missile time warp.

Eric Davis who has papers on such ideas as wormholes etc and was he not also part of the Skinwalker studies?

Now what if?

www.cia.gov...

originally posted by: mirageman
All very interesting stuff ladies and gentleman.

Anyone familiar with this

Team shrinks particle accelerator: Prototype demonstrates feasibility of building terahertz accelerators

Terahertz accelerator modules easily fit into two fingers. Credit: DESY/Heiner Mueller-Elsner

An interdisciplinary team of researchers has built the first prototype of a miniature particle accelerator that uses terahertz radiation instead of radio frequency structures. A single accelerator module is just 1.5 centimetres long and one millimetre thick...

...For their prototype the scientists used a special microstructured accelerator module, specifically tailored to be used with terahertz radiation. The physicists fired fast electrons into the miniature accelerator module using a type of electron gun...

Interesting find mirageman. Did you catch the link at the bottom of the article too?

However, its special properties make THz radiation interesting for a variety of reasons: on the one hand, it penetrates textiles and plastics, while on the other, it is absorbed by many materials in a characteristic manner.

The application spectrum ranges from non-invasive early cancer screening to food controls and body scans as well as ultrafast wireless connections. Since the beginning of this century, femtosecond laser-based sources generating terahertz waves have been in use as comparatively compact and cheap alternatives to large particle accelerators.

"This method works like a transformer that converts the high frequency of the incoming laser beam into the lower terahertz frequency range," explains Prof. Paul Gibbon from the Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC).

One particularly favourable technique, which is currently being refined, utilizes two ultrashort laser pulses of different frequencies which are aimed at a gas target. The gas is ionized and electrons are released. In this way, the much faster laser oscillations are transformed into terahertz waves with lower frequencies.

"The strong electromagnetic fields of the two lasers cause the electrons to oscillate but not quite harmonically - or sinusoidally - but instead asymmetrically, which when averaged over the laser cycle produces a type of direct current," says Humboldt fellow Dr. Wei-Min Wang, who also works at the Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC). The frequencies would otherwise remain in the higher range of lasers. "In this way, a terahertz pulse is generated that lasts exactly one cycle - and then radiates outwards," says Wang. Read more at: phys.org...

phys.org...

I would be interested as what effects it may have, in an upscale version of this, if possibly used within a military application in or around the forest?

a reply to: AdamE

I did see it. But too much information all at once can cause mental constipation. At that point no one gives a sh... about what you've posted. One step at a time young Adam.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: AdamE

I did see it. But too much information all at once can cause mental constipation. At that point no one gives a sh... about what you've posted. One step at a time young Adam.

Happy to see it was not missed. You may edit or remove anything you feel may cause constipation.

a reply to: AdamE

You remember the film The Philadelphia experiment?

It’s based on the book by Berlitz and everyone’s favourite MJ12 member Bill Moore.

Except the film adds to the story. It includes the hyperspace shield to stop missles you mention.

Look at the production of the film. I think we can see they had an advisor who I suspect added that element.

Then years later we had Uri Geller say that he was tasked with 10 other psychics to move a town into hyperspace during his psychic testing days.

No one believed him, but last year such a document came out in the archives released by the CIA.

Funny how the idea ended up in the Philadelphia Expeirment - the key fact that makes it different from Moore’s book.

Some crazy things were tested for sure.

The problem is, as I see it, post the event, it has been overwhelmed by a number of cults and groups with spiritual beliefs.

Very interesting share about Atlantykron. I look forward to hearing what, if any relation it has to the RFI?

a reply to: ctj83

Penniston claimed back in Nov 2010 Anderson was present. Its been out there years. Recently it was noticed John Burroughs has a FOIA on him. He has not put this out as far as am aware. He should if its important .

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Excellent insights KT. FTD will be Foreign Technology Division, I think.

And who are they affiliated to? US or UK?

originally posted by: ctj83
I appreciate your points about Terahertz an you might be right, but you know that rain or moisture cripples terahertz range. I'm assuming you are British, so you'll be well aware that the chance of that time of year, near the sea that there wasn't moisture in the air....

As I recall mirageman posted that the weather over those nights was dry. We do have dry weather sometimes too.

originally posted by: ctj83
You're also not able to factor in the proposed gamma beam component.

What about Terrestrial Gamma-ray Flashes? A highly anomalous one obviously...or at the very least a very rare and currently unstudied and somewhat related phenomenon that is more terrestrially bound that TGF? Or indeed, should those flashes occur closer, as they would have to in the RFI, to the ground could be representative of a failures to launch?

I'm seeing this as a leap...but that's what seems to fit the requirements. Probable? Possible?

One thing, when I was reading about Gamma-ray Bursts, rather than Flashes, there was the stuff about black holes...which was kind of scary, semiotically speaking, I was reminded about another sighting that Strand (the Hessdalen guy) reported...

In a recent interview, you have stated that “…you have had several daytime observations, where you have seen flying discs, etc…”Even if not related to the HP, could you please provide more details on such sightings? I have had only three daytime observations, so the word “several” is wrong. I have however seen several unexplainable “things”, – such which goes into another category than HP or ufo. Two of those three observations was a flying disc. The third was a “black hole”. I did not get the impression that I was looking onto a black object, it was more like a hole into something completely black. This “black hole” changed size all the time.

www.uapreporting.org...

I'm hoping, personally, that the two aren't related...but then there's the other part that is filled with absolute wonder and awe. Holy Mother of God!!!

Anyhow, please point me to the right end of the stick before I have a panic attack.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

Yes indeed the meteorological data taken from : en.tutiempo.net...



It shows minimal rainfall of 0.25mm on Christmas Day and nothing else during the surrounding days.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I think totally dismissing the "heritage / DNA" aspect of it would be foolish, closing off our lines of investigation based on our own bias will only limit what we discover.

You only have to look at the "experiencer" data in terms of whole families suffering from either contact/abductions/experiences etc. Is this a genetic anomaly or simply geographical proximity, a real experience or whole family experiencing the same delusion from different perspectives?

Whole families "experiencing" may have a genetic basis but they may also share the same values and beliefs which would influence outcome of experience when exposed to EM. The sensitivity may have a genetic basis, it may also be a nurture or environmental outcome. Given that at various times most cultures globally have had some framework in their belief systems that can be described as socially accepted experiences, as well as non-socially accepted experiencers would, to me, indicate that ethnicity alone is not a factor. And, more importantly I agree with Burroughs that to raise that suggestion at this stage would be highly divisive.

originally posted by: pigsy2400

The DNA findings for example, they could be manipulated, they could be inconclusive which is why his son has no heritage line rather than not having any heritage. I myself have had 2 DNA tests in terms of learning of my own ancestry and there was very obvious differences between the two tests in some areas that didnt make sense?

Well firstly I am wondering why, on a man, they would do a MtDNA test? That seems suspect. Did I get that wrong? Are they saying therefore that he had no Y line to check? Or that his paternal line is not currently one known to any DNA database? There are bound to be previously unidentified lines, the quantified reference data is very small. Comparative to the global population that is, so the data that Burroughs has provided adds to that.

originally posted by: pigsy2400
Its the data we should be scrutinizing from previous research into the DNA/Omega3/TTSA Experiancer group that would be most interesting.

I am not conclusively saying that the whole DNA thing is the answer, I am saying that is something we should consider before dismissing so quickly.

If we only look for nuts and bolts....that is all we will find or not find..
Keeping our minds open BUT maintaining objectivity is really important I believe.

I'm not so much dismissing it as failing to see the relevance to the bigger picture.