Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

that project was a cold war era system of projecting false radar returns on radar systems.


it was definitely a neat experiment, subs would surface and launch radar decoys basically an advanced ECM and decoy system.


i think it was far more advanced than what people understand, i would love to know how these radar decoys would be launched and stay aloft as well as power the ECM systems.

take the tic-tac incident, i believe 100% that it is human tech and could be in the same vein as ECM systems and is most likely an advanced drone.

a reply to: pigsy2400

The Foreign Office took over the 'Cobra Mist' site in 1975 and the BBC World Service began broadcasting from there a few years later. The site is about 7 miles from Bentwaters



Jenny Randles has participated in this thread to offer a lot of information on her work in the very early days of the case.

Jenny also authored a modern update to her work (Fortean Times – Feb 2016 Issue 337) where Cobra Mist is discussed. It seems suspicions about its purposes remained and continued after it closed in 1973. A vague mention of an unnamed coastal village near Hollesley, being evacuated due to secret experiments, is made. Stories of strange mists, locals’ cars stalling, interference with TV signals and weird green blobs rising into the sky are all mentioned but without specifics.

It was also rumoured that Cobra Mist was supposedly superseded by another project "Cold Witness" but this was never implemented according to a 'Institute for Defense Analyses' report The Role of Director of Defense Research and Engineering (DDR&E) Lessons from the 1970s p120 of the pdf

A cooperative program was established to investigate the feasibility of a north -looking OTHR sited in Britain under the code name COLD WITNESS. Senior Air Force officials also joined in criticizing it. .... The concept was also disclosed to the Japanese, who were interested and eventually took up the idea... (Neither effort proceeded once the end of the Cold War eased concerns about Soviet air threats).

Without further information it is very difficult to point a finger at Cobra Mist/Cold Witness. The former was closed before the incident and the latter never went beyond an idea.

a reply to: mirageman

Cracking post MM and I was expecting it to be fair, I was going to post more info than my original post about it, but I browse usually from my mobile phone and its a pain.

I was aware that they shuttered it before RFI took place, what I found interesting was purely its location and literal stones throw from Rendlesham forest (7miles) and the reasons it was shuttered. IE; all of the equipment was found to be working correctly but the returns they got were certainly odd; missile launches being detected when there were none, test aircraft not returning signals where they actually were, phantom aircraft being deteced and the suspicions that it was purposely derailed with countermeasures, but could not be proven.

I suppose the point I am making is that due its failure, reasons for its failure and the points in your post regarding what sound like EMF interference with locals cars, green blobs in the sky and THEN the RFI itself only 7 miles away and its connections with EMF, raises the question what are we looking at here?

It all seems rather odd and too much of a coincidence really. I know its been supposed before in this thread in regards to the area being a "hotspot" for whatever "it" is. Whether that be aliens or BOL.

I just found that the OTH installation not far from RFI an interesting addition to the story none the less.

a reply to: pigsy2400

It seems to me that an operation like Cobra Mist caused
much of the same symptoms as at RFI.

It doesn't matter that Cobra Mist was not THE trigger.

It's a good case study.

Then the only question is whether another test or operation
of a similar nature did in fact contribute to events at RFI.

And that we may never know.

I'd imagine there is a lot of motivation on the part of some,
to keep things at the relative dead end that we are at now.

The only people still driving RFI forward appear to have
experiencer syndrome, which generally (not always)
causes endless spewing of nonsense until Jesus is
involved somewhere.

So plausible deniability will be maintained.

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Maybe the experimental weapon aspect isnt too far off, but maybe it was an experimental communications test. Considering the cooperation of the cobra Mist project between the Americans and the british, maybe what caused Rendlesham was a competitor to that program that was intentionally sabotaged as the reports regarding cobra suggest.

I'm connecting mute faceted dots here I know.Burroughs has stated many times that he "has been told" that what caused RFI has since been weaponized.

Being able to beam messages, glyphs,God(pick one),binary code into people's minds would be an interesting tool at the military disposal on the Battlefield.

A weapon/communication tool that involves electro magnetic radiation and THz is what certainly seems to be a possibility considering what we know.

Experiencer syndrome as kev puts it,.may well be the intended consequence and other close encounters exhibit similar emf,blue beams of light, download experiences and strange lights /BOL in the sky.

Also, and I don't mean to continue my inane speculation, but it's always a "download experience" what, if possible could they obtain by "uploading" information from these individuals? That would certainly be interesting for "it"/military applications.

a reply to: pigsy2400

"Cooking someone's brain" need not be so complex to implement
(I mean look at the Moscow embassy incident).

"Uploading" usable content from a human brain would be much
more difficult, for humans anyway.

As for RFI in general, if you take the military base and nuclear
weapons portions out of it.. the same kind of events have
happened multiple times in the general region over a number
of years and all over the world.

If you want to take a phenomenon worthy of study, and then
want to frack it all up to become useless... just add in a dash
of military or intelligence agency and it becomes useless.

Kev

a reply to: pigsy2400

There FOIA documents around dealing with Cobra Mist. For example: www.cufon.org...

Cobra Mist was dismantled 5 or 6 years before the Rendlesham incident. But we also know how projects aren't actually closed completely. Sometimes they just change the name and something about the project to avoid telling lies and maintain secrecy. So don't dismiss it entirely.

There were/are numerous other research and defence installations in the area. For example there is a direct line from the Cobra Mist antennas to the NSA & BT research building. It passes right through Rendlesham Forest. But it requires some real pulling together of the pieces of a huge jigsaw puzzle to take that further. You may also have the wrong jigsaw puzzle!

a reply to: mirageman

There are the other documents re Cobra mist.
The same ones as Isaac Koi has. Maybe he could upload that file.

a reply to: mirageman

What's your opinion on my last statement, about how very similar
events had happened in the region.. including even little triangular
marks in the ground.. apparent BOL, etc.

But since they weren't affecting the region directly adjacent to
a nuclear military base, they didn't get all conflated into
a cluster-frack?

For example, if my BTUFO sighting had happened while I had been
in the military, or had happened directly adjacent to a military
base, it might have been "RFI" all over again, not just one of
a thousand similar occurrences.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Are you referencing The Rendlesham File here?

...given the large number of such transmitter, radar and similar research stations in the Rendlesham Forest area, including the top secret British Telecommunications (BT) research station, a disused set of antennae and radar equipment at the ‘closed’ Cobra Mist station, could this be the answer to plasma balls seen over the forest...and others, in and around the forest? Remember we need remote transmitters as well which could explain phenomena seen in the forest and taken as a craft, an aspirin shaped object and lights.

...BT research centre on the old Martlesham Heath World War Two airfield is engaged in many secret projects, including microwave research....Also recall during the time of the Rendlesham incident it is claimed BT rented out its top floor (and therefore roof access for dishes) to the NSA. We further saw how green fireballs in the USA were also believed to be connected to the NSA. Moreover, some claim there was research in the Rendlesham Forest area into the new 3D Doppler Radar System and this was done in association with nearby RAF Bawdsey! There are also claims several top scientists working at the centre committed suicide under ‘strange circumstances’. The last point is less easy to verify.

Yep could be something involving all of that. Or even something slightly different. Those weird balls of light date way back to the early post war years and experiments in the the SW of the United States. They were dubbed as green fireballs.

a reply to: mirageman

I was referencing things like that.

But I've seen references to BOL and BTUFO type stuff
going back to before the invention of electricity too.

My very boring theory is that there always was some
'weird stuff' in Suffolk and other areas of the UK,
and all that EM/Radar/etc stuff just exacerbated it.

And again.. if Penniston hadn't gone bonkers with
his pronouncements, RFI might never have amounted
to much.

now mind you, I'm not saying he wasn't justified..
I think he was.

But if Penniston had been at a McDonalds drive through,
not at a rented Nuclear Air Base, "RFI" would never
have been "Britians Roswell" - it would have been,
"Freaky Dude at Drivethrough smokin' something"

Surely you see my point?

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

My very boring theory is that there always was some 'weird stuff' in Suffolk and other areas of the UK, and all that EM/Radar/etc stuff just exacerbated it.

Maybe but it seems the more EM/Radar we got the less the weird stuff seems to happen.

And again.. if Penniston hadn't gone bonkers with his pronouncements, RFI might never have amounted to much.

It depends on your point of view. Take Penniston out of the story and there is still a decent story there.

But if Penniston had been at a McDonalds drive through, not at a rented Nuclear Air Base, "RFI" would never have been "Britains Roswell" - it would have been, "Freaky Dude at Drivethrough smokin' something"

See the answer above. His role is not important despite the constant upgrades to his own story which he kept adding. The Rendlesham File overplays his importance and mistakenly over analyses it too.

a reply to: mirageman

Maybe but it seems the more EM/Radar we got the less the weird stuff seems to happen.

Well on that point, i think it depends..

I did make the theory that the "golden age of UFOs" ended, when we
started to get saturated with EMF.

In an EM shielded cage, "high strangeness" seems to happen more frequently.

When I lived in Manteca, CA, I was in an EMF dead spot, and my 'shaman powers'
were 4 times what they are now.

I really think the rise of EMF deadened down a lot of high strangeness --- overall.

And this also might include SWR too.

But I'd say that perhaps "BTUFO" are the one exception to the rule.

I'm at work right now.. can't properly respond.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

Remember Adam's excellent contribution of that Cook report on 'poltergeist' activity?

Rember the two old gentlemen who lived in what I want to call almshouses at the edge of the base who had TV interference?

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: mirageman

Remember Adam's excellent contribution of that Cook report on 'poltergeist' activity?

Rember the two old gentlemen who lived in what I want to call almshouses at the edge of the base who had TV interference?

Hi ctj83. Hello mirageman and friends. This is the Cook report you mention I am having trouble sharing.
This following link is also interesting..

Abstract We report on the first experimental observation of terahertz (THz) wave generation from bismuth mono- and polycrystalline samples irradiated by femtosecond laser pulses. Dependencies of the THz signal on the crystal orientation, optical pulse energy, incidence angle, and polarization are presented and discussed together with features of the sample surfaces. The optical-to-THz conversion efficiency was up to two orders of magnitude higher than for metal at a moderate fluence of ∼1 mJ/cm2. We also found nonlinear effects not previously observed using other metal and semiconductor materials: (a) asymmetry of THz response with respect to a half-turn of a sample around its normal, (b) THz polarization control by orientation of the sample surface, and (c) strong enhancement of optical-to-THz conversion after structuring of a sample with optically large-scale parallel strips pattern.

www.osapublishing.org...

Look like there is a fair amount of discussion on John's Facebook page on the latest information.

It is very interesting reading.

a reply to: AdamE



This was the relevant Cook Report I believe. Although more than just TV interference was going on.

Thank you mirageman.

John Burroughs

Halt started the cover up when he put together the memo using the wrong dates. In 2010 Penniston stated that Halt was part of the cover up and was working with OSI

He is referencing the date of 27th that the Halt memo, Penniston (notebook) and Warren have used.

Also mention of Kosmos 1227 Zenit 6, similar to one that that came down in Canada a few years before as part of an anti satellite operation.

a reply to: AdamE

Glad to hear from you again!

Do you know of any photos of the houses at the end of the runway, the farm house or what I think is called Folley House?

a reply to: AdamE

Whether Halt began the cover up with his memo or not it; is full of inconsistencies which I've detailed earlier in the thread here : www.abovetopsecret.com...

Kosmos 1227 Zenit 6, a Soviet military surveillance satellite was launched on 16th Dec 1980 and stayed in orbit until 28th Dec 1980. The theory behind an anti-satellite operation seems to be based on beaming high frequency microwaves into the upper atmosphere to manipulate a specifc area of it. One effect is that it can expand the altitude of the effected region. This creates drag on any satellites to bring them down to Earth.

However finding proof that the RFI was about an attempt to bring Kosmos 1227 down is another thing entirely. There are of course rumours that it involved a satellite. But it doesn't really fit in large parts of the story and witness testimony.

originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: AdamE

Glad to hear from you again!

Do you know of any photos of the houses at the end of the runway, the farm house or what I think is called Folley House?

Glad to be back at last!

I have never been asked. I can try to see if any photos of Folly house or cottages are available somewhere.