Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: ctj83

Are you expecting miracles Ctj83?

I guess there will be further info once John gets back to the USA. Am sure Adam will filll us in also?

Who knows in reality. There was a few words mentioned re a possible night 4 and a mention too of a mothership .

a reply to: Baablacksheep

This "stuff" just keeps pulling people in... it won't be long
and Jesus will have been on that mothership.

The "Phenomenon" has been studied for over 5,000 years..
it's no big mystery what it does to people's brains..

If we were Asian/Hindu/various others, talking on that cultures's
chat board, I wouldn't even have to bring this sort of subject up..
most people would have come across the info at some point in their
life, in some part of their culture.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I wouldn’t beat yourself up over it - many people seem to forget.

In a related event, It took Isaac Koi to remind ATS of why one ufologist went to prison. It seemed like collective amnesia descended on everyone.

There are other recent examples.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Yes it does pull people in Kev for sure.

Please no! We dont want Jesus on that mothership. !!

a reply to: ctj83

I really appreciate that.

I do like to consider myself a kind and reasonable person.. but
I definitely still fail my self-awareness maintenance routines
sometimes.. I can still miss social cues and pin people up
against the wall talking about my special interest.. whhile
they just "cat captured by Peppi La Pew" try to escape from me!

Now on that UFOlogist going to prison thing... go figure.. i'm not
sure i even know what you are talking about.. unless you mean
the hacker guy.

a reply to: ctj83

who when to lock-up and for what?

originally posted by: Baablacksheep
a reply to: ctj83

Are you expecting miracles Ctj83?

I guess there will be further info once John gets back to the USA. Am sure Adam will filll us in also?

Who knows in reality. There was a few words mentioned re a possible night 4 and a mention too of a mothership .

Night 4??

hmm.. I find that quite doubtful and only going off the fact that nothing regarding that or a mothership has been told before. All of a sudden "new" information surfaces, consdiering how much around the circus roundabout the RFI has been, for there to be "New" information all of a sudden, instantly gets my guard up.

For the simple reason, why not before and why now?
Unless someone is releasing a book... "4th Night in The Forest" lol

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: ctj83

I really appreciate that.

I do like to consider myself a kind and reasonable person.. but
I definitely still fail my self-awareness maintenance routines
sometimes.. I can still miss social cues and pin people up
against the wall talking about my special interest.. whhile
they just "cat captured by Peppi La Pew" try to escape from me!

Now on that UFOlogist going to prison thing... go figure.. i'm not
sure i even know what you are talking about.. unless you mean
the hacker guy.

could be one of a few.. aliens at the window? - I am not going to say his name as the crimes he has been accused of aren't for repeating...there was another that was accused of killing his friend back in the early 80s. Taht one in particular reckoned he was at galactic conferences talking to Alien Dinosaurs.... so well... thats that anyway.

With my talk on the "weaponization" of RFI causes and this has been confirmed by Burroughs as well, I find the following article and the accompanying video quite interesting. Obviously, if we are to take Burroughs as his word, this video represents what is currently in the white world funded by the ONR

New Progress on Plasma Weapons

a reply to: pigsy2400

But it is not new info.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I sometimes wonder if everyone on the base was hypnotised to cover up something more mundane but dangerous.

Have you seen the 4th Protocol, (or read the book) it gives a lot of hints that the events described are really taking place at RAF Bentwaters.

This is at a time when Bentwaters did not offically have nuclear weapons.

So why did the author or screenwriter in the mid 80s decide to set the story at RAF Bayswaters (I beleive it is actually named Bentwaters in the book) Why not choose a base where there were already protests and known hardware?

a reply to: ctj83

Hypnosis can work for almost anyone, though some people have an easier time than others. If you’re lucky, you’ll be one of the few people (about 5 to 10 percent of the population) who is highly susceptible to hypnotic suggestion.
psychcentral.com...

I'd say that maybe 5 to 10 percent of the people could have been hypnotized
so thoroughly, that they wouldn't remember one of the crazies/most exciting
days of their entire lives.

unless the government has some hella good magical powers or drugs.. and
even then... seems like a real stretch.

Really only 1 person on the entire base, caused "all the fuss" over the years.

Kev

originally posted by: The GUT
It follows pretty well. I can think of one or two alternate explanations, but they certainly aren't Occam's. Good to see you, KT. And you definitely zeroed in with that hint.

Good to see you too, TheGUT.

I felt it was more bait than hint, that is possibly just the way I'm built, either way, I was peckish, so I bit

If, as Godric intimated, the exposure that Burroughs received was in the therapeutic range then that raises the implication that this was little more than a case of medical malpractice, that the injuries that he sustained were caused (or exacerbated) by the treatment that he received and that is what he is being compensated for. If that is the case, then we could be looking at little more than something like sarcoidosis or rheumatic fever, or both, or a myriad of other diseases and conditions that can explain the on-the-ground and subsequent "confusion". Without the medical records however...

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I appreciate that this thread is so large now that it's difficult to follow if you haven't read it all from start to finish.
There is summary way back to help catch up.

John Burroughs is well aware of the other thread linked. Primarily because it was the first and only time Dr. Kit Green commented on this incident. But pointe taken as well.

It's okay mirageman, I can keep up and I participated in that other thread, under a different username, so I am fully cognizant of Dr Green's contributions.

en pointe means to stand on one's tippy toes. Balletic, like. I was commenting on Godric's moves.

originally posted by: mirageman

...investigations discovered he is a retired RAF pilot and intelligence officer who flew top secret missions during the Cold War.

During the 1980s he advised on the sensor aspects of the Pentagon’s ‘Star Wars’ missile programme. Until his retirement he worked for GEC-Marconi, the premier electronics company in the UK, now part of BAE Systems....The new papers reveal this man also had a personal interest in UFOs. In one of his memos to the UFO desk he refers to his own sighting of ‘aerial phenomena’ whilst flying with the RAF in 1950s.

Not wishing to "out" the author, but ya know, Marconi? How assured can we be that the guy hasn't been left languishing in some holdall with a selection of BDSM paraphernalia?

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

K, I'm not sure if you mean the Condign author but he seems to be fine.

I do wonder if there is a connection with Nick Cook's Dr Markus.

I also wonder if the Dr Markus of Cook is the same Marckus of former Guardiantista Nafeez Ahmed?

Randomly, is there fashion for fish names I'm unaware of, Koi, Pike, Trout?

originally posted by: ctj83
So why did the author or screenwriter in the mid 80s decide to set the story at RAF Bayswaters (I beleive it is actually named Bentwaters in the book) Why not choose a base where there were already protests and known hardware?

Perhaps because Forsyth is an incredibly shrewd man and knew how to trip the fine-line. If there was nothing to see at Bentwaters, no foul. The fact that he was only pointing a stone's throw from Bawdsley Manor and the Bloodhounds, was, I presume, an in-joke, a tip of his hat to his mates in the "service" perhaps. He could, as you say, have pointed to a known site, but where's the kudos in that?

a reply to: ctj83

You'd have to ask Kurt Vonnegut, I nicked the name from him.

The rest, I have no idea, beyond my sphere so far...or at least nothing you wrote is ringing any bells, what am I missing do you think?

Glad the Condign author hasn't met the same "fate" as other, clearly more expendable, Marconi associates and employees. It's good to be useful.

a reply to: KilgoreTrout

I love what I've read of Vonnegut, but I'm not widely read and didn't know that!

Re Forsyth, I think you are right. I'm not sure what you mean about Bloodhounds? Could you explain, please?

In terms of the other things, I'll recap if that's helpful as my posts on it are spread out. Also, apologies as it's an obscure reference I guess, unless this information is useful to someone else, I think it's a dead end in my research.

It comes back to Nick Cook's book 'The Hunt For Zero Point' - he was a the senior aerospace editor at Jane's Defence, tracking down the F19 (117a) before it was unveiled. In the 1990s - whilst on the track of Aurora, he met with a mysterious whistleblower, scientist and alledged BAE engineer at RAF Bawdsey.

Dr David Marckus is claimed to be an alias of a scientist who worked at Bawdsey and a local University, who was a whistleblower for Nick Cook's book on Anti Gravity ' The Hunt For Zero Point. I initially thought that Dr Marckus was the author of Condign, as he talks of many of the same things. I did consider he might be fictional until recently. You can also find Dr Marckus in the writings of UK Environmentalist, Middle East Specialist and former Guardian Newspaper journalist Nafeez Ahmed.

He is also likely known to Graham Ennis, a popular UK Ufologist who organised events on Anti Gravity that Marcus likely attended in the early 2000s and a contact of Cooks (according to acknowledgements in 'Hunt For Zero Point').

Apart from those three people, you can't find out anything about him.

However, after David Clarke's revelations about the Condign author it is clear that Dr David Marckus is not the Condign author. I'm also not sure that Nafeez' Dr Marckus is the same as Nick Cook's Marckus although on his blog and in his books he seems to believe so.

a reply to: ctj83

Hi Ctj83. No I have not read the book or seen the movie I will locate it when chance.

In the meantime it appears there is a possible movie in the making which you may have noticed already.

First Responders page I see are giving the Condign report a very negative hammering indeed.