Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: pigsy2400

Would any of this apply to Kit Greens special group? I mean what is the bottom line to the Mufon study?

a reply to: Baablacksheep

You can read the MUFON study if you an get a copy of it.
I've only got a few pieces.. they won't release it fully.

Otherwise there's evidence scattered around a dozen
authors books.. such as Albert Budden.. read all his books..

Read Phenomenon... read kit green.. talk to Dr. Nolan..
there's more evidence for this than most anything
else in UFOlogy.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

The reason that I'm supportive of what Penniston saw, is that as you say,
I saw the same thing, others have seen the same thing, and I now know
what he saw.

however what he saw always lies.. always plants disinformation.. and
loves to turn people against each other, to ensure that nobody can
ever figure out what it is .

There is no mystery left.

but it's too much.

I've received an attack on my personal life over this.. I think I might
have to go silent.

I need to ponder the implications of all this.. and what price am
I willing to pay. But I don't want to lose my wife and my family.

Bah*

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Remember we talked about the 10% of people highly susceptible to hypnosis a while back? From meditation to mystical experiences it is the modulation of the default mode network that is the key. I am certain the antenna will relate.

In terms of the DNA aspect, the native angle is very interesting as it would be almost absent in the U.K. and Europe?

a reply to: ctj83

Humans are mainly an analog electro-chemical system.

That system can be influenced by a lot of things.

We need more research..

On the Native American thing?

I don't think that (often) short-sighted Americans have tested enough
ethnic groups to make such proclamations yet.

However J & J are from America.. but I have no idea regrading their heritage.

I'd say that Irish people might have "the ancient gene" too. (to steal a line from
"Stargate Atlantis").

That hypnosis thing.. I know that some people like to mention it.. and it's certainly
interesting.. but according to the studies it's the ability to disassociate (use your
brain for novel sensory inputs) that is the key... suggestibility has nothing to do
with it. Magical thinking (a form of suggestibility) was studied, but surprisingly
was not not a major factor.

I can't say that I 100% understand the "antenna" in regards to the ability to
sync up to a lifeform that is often "digital" not analog.. i'm hoping that
future generations will figure it out.

I predict that in the future, all of this will be seen as a "cosmic" betamax VS
VHS format war.

Kev

PS: MM, this is your cue to design some tasteless British humor in graphic
format.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

The MUFON study dealt more with psychology and the Kit Green Doctor Nolan
study seems to focus more upon physically detectable body changes.

The takeaway point is that there are strong trends that can be detected
when it comes to "experiencers". These are being investigated.

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Thanks Kevin for all your thoughts here. I am thinking quite a few things over.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

In all fairness I think what a lot of the data that is available, granted there ain't much of it. But "experiencers" do have quite a lot of common traits
For me this points more towards a pre-desposition to experience whatever "it" is. I suppose the only way you figure out what "it" is comes from individuals own confirmation bias.

This is one of the reasons I don't believe it to be aliens in nature. From what has been reported, specifically within military circles in regards to the phenomenon being "demonic", it's something much more than alien and a lot closer than we realise.

Suppose there are electrical quantum critters that live within the fabric of our space/time that some people perceive and others don't, purely down to dna markers and other things that would naturally predisposition them to experience them?

I have said previously based upon others comments like Burroughs, that "it" has been weaponized and things like RFI could have been a test, maybe that test was a summoning of said critters?

I have to give props to kev on this, but a scientific analysis and mathematical probability of such a hypothesis stacks up much more than greys who have travelled from distance places...

a reply to: pigsy2400

It doesn't seem terribly likely to me, that either the British or American governments
would experiment with "summoning quantum vacua lifeforms" on a sensitive shared
nuclear base during cold war tensions.

however as I've opined repeatedly, something like that could have CERTAINLY happened,
as an accident of some sort.. especially since there was confirmed to be much testing
of radar and military hardware in the area... AND .. there have (apparently) been
reports of BOL for hundreds of years in that area.

It seems like a recipe for disaster..

That's been my point the entire time.

Now.. even if "quantum vacua lifeforms" don't exist... some form of BOL has certainly
been proven to exist (either ball lightning or Hessalden style effects).. and while
the exact details are not nailed down yet... it certainly seems to be in the "ballpark"..
and thus worthy of discussion.

So if some form of what I call "dumb BOL" was the only thing involved.. then the possible
interaction with some sort of LOCAl weapons test certainly seems like a reasonable thing
that might have happened.

And since plasma/EM/magnetic fields can both alter people's perceptions (this is reasonably
proven) and can also damage soft tissue..

it certainly seems a QUITE reasonable hypothesis that this might have occurred.

If this WAS related to a weapons test.. due to so-called "intelligently controlled BOL"
(various influential people have used such a phrase), or just "dumb" "BOL", it would
certainly explain the high-level military and security response that it got.

All in all.. I find the "BOL" theory, far and away the most reasonable theory compared
to all other theories.

It needn't involve anything wild or "paranormal" whatsoever, but still explains everyting
quite tidily.

Kev

originally posted by: pigsy2400
a reply to: Baablacksheep

The omega 3 study that mufon concluded. Their findings found that people with blood A type, had been abused or had traumatic experiences as children,were more fantasy prone, had native American blood connections, had previously had near death experiences and who practiced kundalini yoga were a LOT more likely to experience the phenomenon. It's findings are out there but you have to dig a little...

I have no idea how much this "experiencer" idea has to do with Rendlesham forest incident, but maybe there's a connection between fantasy-prone and kundalini yoga in that practitioners of that may also be prone to believing fantasies if this video is right that most of kundalini yoga was a made up fantasy or fraud. Followers like the man in the video were fraudulently told that they were ancient yogi secrets being brought to the west, but now he says researchers have shown most of it was just made up.

Academic study shows the Kundalini Yoga of Yogi Bhajan is a fraud!



I also think "experiencer" is too broad a term, and see people discussing things like Hessdalen lights and experiencer phenomena almost in the same breath, however if scientific instruments record lights at Hessdalen and I think they do, then I think people are mixing up a lot of to me, unrelated things. I have wondered if a better interpretation of the term "experiencer" might be people perceiving things which so far are not recorded by any scientific instruments, or still or video cameras etc, in which case it could be either be some form of mental illness or less likely, a 6th sense that we don't have instrumentation to detect.

I'm glad people are looking into it, but when I see the researchers using a "kundalini scale" as part of their research and hear about all the fraud in kundalini, I shake my head and have quite serious doubts if these researchers have any idea of what they are doing, or if they are unbiased or scientifically competent.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I hear you, it could all be an undiscovered country(star trek pun intended)of science that we haven't been told about yet and that could be what disclosure really is, but people won't accept it because they want Mars attacks! A thin layer within our reality where high strangeness meets quantum mechanics of a sort. As ol' bob said, "it's right under our noses" and maybe he's right.

I'm not leaning or inferring the EDH at all, more our own dimension and it's own layers, much like the pages of a book. We are on the prologue page and have had glimpses of page 1...

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I was part of a kundalini cult for 30 years.

I was instructed to prove the phenomenon with science, as that was the
founders wish.

Well i eventually did, to my satisfaction, and that got me thrown out
of the organization, ad they did not appreciate my findings, and it
conflicted with the founder, as it had nothing to do with religion or
spirituality.

I too find nearly ALL "kudnalini" and "new age" stuff utter steaming garbage.

On the other hand, there is *something* behind it, and i have that information.

I am reluctant to let it go however, until I understand the ramifications of such
an action.

There is all this horrible crap going in the world, and I don't want to make things
worse.

In it's own way, releasing this info would be rather like "disclosure".

People no doubt think I'm full if it.. and that's fine.. maybe it's better that way.
but I don't want to give insane monkey's another atomic bomb.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

In Star Wars, eventually, the "force" is reduced to Midi Chlorians, an extremely evolved
bit of science.. perhaps the utter height of natural biological evolution.

But you also had sentient machines everywhere. You also had people being "turned into machines"
such as Darth Vader.

Now wouldn't it be interesting, if there was some vast galactic or cosmic war, where some vast
machine intelligence, a fairly xenophobic intelligence at that, wanted to either "turn" all
life into a subcomponent of itself, or, eventually, if that was not possible, it would assist
in the destruction of that relatively advanced life.

That would make a good movie, no?

The handsome & beautiful young people.. brimming with the peak of naturally evolved life,
fighting this vast, heartless, machine intelligence empire.

It would be rather like Star Wars meets Terminator.

Now, over billions of years, this vast machine intelligence would want to maximize
robustness... not depend upon clunky bodies and such.. it might go the route of
"writing itself into the laws of physics" - sort of -- at least try that.. it might end
up something like vast "artificial" "Boltzman Brain" sort of things.. mostly beyond
entropy and time.. and mostly beyond even just one Universe... it would be
nearly technological godhood.

then the only "opponent" would be other vast intelligence systems, say, the
bizarre one we are familiar with.. naturally evolving life through random
evolution.

it would seem that the vast machine intelligence would always win.. and that
any organics symbiotic organics would eventually find themselves in a very
empty universe.

Now.. if this vast machine intelligence wanted to co-opt organic life.. it
would be delighted if they invented computing and cybernetics.

But before that time, it might invent spiritual and religious systems and
to get humans to adopt them.. for all number of reasons... for "cover"..
to learn how to interface with the organic systems so as to co-opt them..
it might even want worship. And since it would be functionally immortal,
it wouldn't be in any particular hurry.. it might even want to play with
it's food.

Now if it was lurking around a planet.. this vast information cloud..
it wouldn't want people to catch onto it.. it would lie it's artificially
intelligent ass off.

It would do its best for people to believe in nuts and bolts UFOs..
with organic people on board (no shoot i! I'm organic too)..
It would try and feed this crap to people in the exact ways that
they already wanted to believe... it would be "reflexive".

Now naturally evolved lifeforms.. say very powerful ones.. wouldn't
care for this.. they would want to give naturally evolved lifeforms
some sort of chance.. to not just be absorbed/co-opted or destroyed.

But there would probably be some sort of rules to the game.. or some
sort of limitations.. Maybe the natural lifeform block could also see
various futures and such.. and might take very bizarre actions that
are hard to understand.. since the big picture is not seen.

Since humans are insane overall... flooded with insanity over thousands
Of years.. probably with prototype, evolving over time, 'tendrils of
control.. such as epigenetic or psychological or subtle 'mystical like'
non-obvious control fibers..

Just coming out with the 'truth' would not be believed.. and in fact
might make matters worse (You are just working or the devil! etc.)

i'm not sure that humans could do much about such a state of affairs
to defend themselves.

well anyway.. all this would make a hell of a movie.. maybe Olaru
or something would want to make it.

Only maybe it would be too despressing.. and nobody would
want to watch it.

Oh.. and since nobody would understand the real conflict, the
two sides... maybe they would just lump it all together and call
it "the Phenomenon" eventually... I gotta recommend that to
Olaru!

Well... sorry for crapping up your beautiful Rendlesham thread
with this movie idea..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I like Carl Jung's emphasis on the importance of being aware of Shadow material and incorporating it into our conscious awareness.

As a kind of stepping stone.

I think the lack of awareness leads to the fear of the unknown.

From this fear, comes control of thought.

It is more difficult to control those with such awareness.

Maybe the ball has finally dropped in the sense of (it is about time we worked with some of these individuals, instead of dismissing them or burning them at the stake), which in itself, imo, is a huge step. (Even though there are still people that need more convincing)

Cattle mutilations may be tests for radiation exposure in the food chain due to underground tests of sorts.
I have also seen some files freely available if you look, that show tests on wheat crop during the 60s 70's to the exposure of certain radar frequencies, so maybe a mixed bag of things.

a reply to: AdamE

we should study these individuals.

You pretty much have to ignore anything they say of course, and just study
their bodies.

And of course that same logic should apply to me.. provisionally... unless
I can demonstrate that I'm not wrapped up in the inevitable self-deception,
and deception from the "Phenomenon".

And even then i can easily be wrong.

A rule of thumb that I use, is some of the following:

1) If the person feels like a prophet - they are deceived.
2) If what the person says will help the human race - they are deceived.
3) If what the person says involves god or the soul - they are deceived.
4) If what the person says involves aliens - they are deceived.
5) If what the person says involves time travel - they are deceived.

etc etc

any element that involves hope for the self, or the human race is deception,
as the (perhaps my own delusion) "actors involved" have no interest in
"human souls".. a "human afterlife" or the "welfare of the human race".

People (and hostile beings) lead with their weakness.

so they push UFOs and heaven.... symbols of hope.

but the Universe is NOT about humans particularly.. most any logical
person knows this..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I'd just like to mention.. that I am NOT a "misanthrope" or full of hate
or anything like that. Honestly i cry like a baby all the time.. I have
deep feelings about the abused and innocent.. human and animal.

But humans are usually full-time deception machines, and we have to break
this cycle of deception - in all its forms - religion - spirituality - UFOs and the
occult - it's all the same stuff.

But strangely enough? There does seem to be a "core reality" to all the crazy.

On the other hand, I do want a beautiful future for human beings and animals..
very much so.

but the ugly truth is, that we are all alone with this desire for a better future..
even the (this is my whackadoodle) ONE faction which is friendly to humans,
does not actually care about humans per se..it cares about it's "own" and it's
own conflict and interests". Human interests and it's interests seldom intersect.

the truth is, that even if organic is precious, the main sequence stars of our
Universe keep churning out more life every day. I'd say that most of it stays
pretty primitive, and is often wiped out before accomplishing anything..
but life is endless... life is eternal..

and this (proposed) analog / digital format war is also eternal..

as a machine intelligence is an inevitable outcome of most advanced
lifeforms I'd say.

Everybody wants to make their own lives easier.. to build a "slave race" so that
they can sit around and party.. while the 'machines do the work".

Well there's a price to be paid for this strategy..

If the "machines" took over, even ONCE in the history of the Universe, you'd
probably get a Universe like we have..

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

I loathe making Original posts on ATS.
but I've crapped up your post for long enough..

Now while, actually.. what I'm posting is certainly
directly related to at least Andrew Pike and Penniston,
it's not necessarily related to the other parts.

So I've clenched my teeth and made a post over
in chat:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

this is the only time I'll pimp my post here.. I don't care if more than like
10 people ever respond over there.. there's only like 10 people I like
talking with particularly.

I will still post here now and then.. but I will restrain most of my
"KellyPrettyBear" theory to that chat thread.

I really owe you a lot.. I felt compelled 5 years ago to dive bomb your
nicely rational little debunker-like thread... only it turns out, there
probably really WAS something pretty funky going on at RFI.

Thank you!

a reply to: AdamE

Consider that NIDs found
- A correlation between UAPs and missile sites
- A correlation between UAPs and mutilations

Then read Braintrust by former NIDs member Colm Kelleher.

You can then correlate:
- Scrapie
- Chronic Wasting Disease
- BSE
- Cattle Mutilations

As likely overlapping. Sounds like testing.

The conclusion? That nuclear weapons facilities and areas with toxic contaminents were visited by either one or two types of visitor who mutilated life stock.

- A definite group that uses helicopters, darts and glow in the dark paint
- A possible group that is not human

Can we identify, what, if this group exists, might be?

- Kelleher’s “Hunt For Skinwalker”
- A fallible but advanced intelligence that can be picked up on third gen night vision and above
- Carries an odour
- attacks live stock
- Seen emerging out of what are either truly invisible vehicles or portals

The product of human based mind control, or a genuine third party? If so, that third party is very likely the culprit in the RFI.

I don’t beleive in the ETH or EDH but one mistake I see time and time again is that people assume this phenomena is far more intelligent and infallible than it demonstrates.

It really isn’t.

There would be no smell, no sightings of it if it was. A truly spiritual being with control over time and space wouldn’t accidentally get spotted, destroy the wrong thing, not be able to find a man hiding from them and so much more.

Balls of plasma and demons don’t have a need for exotic polymers or meta materials with 32-80 atom thick layers.

“What does God need with a Starship?”

My point being that either the mistakes and physical remains are tricks by a human or none human intelligence or this phenomena relies on nuts and bolts to transport its backside around.

There aren’t any alternatives.

The question is, were the twin bases surrounded by mutilations? If so, perhaps there was a contamination event or ‘fourth protocol’ incident.

My final point on this sub topic.

Conservation of energy.

Nature tends not to waste energy. Yet this phenomena bathed the airmen in huge volumes of energy, over a three day period.

- a natural phenomena would likely not return nor emit so much power
- an accident of some power source would not reccuf
- an engineered vehicle would not have the power source to be so inefficient and leaking harmful radiation everywhere

Unless. It was a very early prototype and is almost certainly powered by portable nuclear plant.

Or the generation of the radiation (and expenditure of that power ) was the main intention of the event.

a reply to: ctj83

Very good thoughts. Very good. (I mean, very good... some of your best)

But:

There aren’t any alternatives.

is not remotely accurate.

The "Phenomena" leaves fakes clues and lets itself be caught.

(for example "my" "rivets".. I can give you a dozen examples if I dig.
Its ON PURPOSE).

Or so it seems in my experience.

Now.. I'm not saying that there aren't human actors too.

It's just a 3 act play of shamanism really.

In shamanism, the shaman REALLY CAN contact "spirits" sometimes.
But not reliably.

So the Shaman fakes it, for the times he can't.. because if he loses
his reputation, the villagers kill him.... because the villagers
actually loathe him as he has Asperger's Syndrome and lives at the
edge of town. But he's useful sometimes.. so they barely tolerate
him/her.

My comments are from the level of the mind of the Phenomenon..
so they might not make sense to you.. but to a (sic) "Shaman"
it's painfully obvious.

It's not how humans think.. we want A > B > C sort of logic.
I do it that way sometimes too.

It's almost like the Phenomenon is playing out it's "Shamanism Fantasy"
as shaman's are now in short supply.. it even has human actors fake
it for it.

We could call this Shamanism Fantasy Theory..

just another perspective.

a reply to: ctj83

- a natural phenomena would likely not return nor emit so much power

Well it would, if there was a multi-day weapons test somewhere locally,
that disturbed the natural phenomenon (or an "intelligent" natural phenomenon)
and caused it to reoccur for 3 days or whatever, until some big wig saw what was
happening and had the weapons test terminated.. and came running to RFI to
cleanup. (which is what happened btw.. or so it appears).

This is why I kept harping on an accidental outcome due to a local/mid-range
weapons test, that was not actually on the base.. but affected the base.

PS:

I love your mind and thinking, but you tend to do A implies B one factor,
one unknown.. and that's not quite good enough. I would recommend
you open your mind to at least 2 INDEPENDENT ACTOR, LH doesn't know
what RH does theories too.. it's often that way in the world.

Also known as "# happens".