Rendlesham Forest…, A Christmas Story from 1980 - Can We ‘Let it Be’?

a reply to: ctj83

Thank you ctj83. This may be the Marcus you refer to?

www.keelynet.com...

Marcus HOLLINGSHEAD Anti-Gravity System - Claimed to have invented (and tested at the University of Cambridge) a 160 kg working prototype (iteration #161) capable of lifting 2040 Kg of weight while utilizing 4.1 kVA of power (about 5.6 horsepower). Hollingshead first became known by posting results of his experiments on the BBC science message boards in November of 2002. He claimed that he had created a device that accidentally had collapsed a Black and Decker Workmate table. After modifying and restarting, it allegedly lifted off from his workbench. According to Paul Horwood, Hollingshead now claims he has a number of engineers working on the device at Thornbury just outside Bristol, Somerset under a contract with the European Space Agency (ESA) to produce propulsion and that he has over 50 million pounds in investment. This area, including Filton, is heavily invested in the aerospace industry, including BAE Systems.

a reply to: AdamE

It’s possible and worth further research but my own research took me elsewhere . I’d suggest reading more about the anti gravity conferences and see if anyone stands out. At this point I don’t want to bias what you find as you seem better at the research than me and I’d be interested in your conclusions.

Why would a supposed scientist, interested in plasma, anti gravity, zero point and the Nazi Bell have zero connection with and never been connected with the RFI? Oh and they lived in Bawdsey according to Nick Cook!

I agree with you CTj83.
Those anti grav conferences
are some what intetesting.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

No one appears to be chomping re your Condign suggestion.

I know, right? But it's pay-to-play around these parts.

Don't you have even the tiniest little complaint about the Project Condign report? Just the tinsiest lark-sized crticism or two?

Perhaps you have something different to offer on it all.

Honestly? Nothing new for about 4 years.

I thought the Condign report was disected here on ATS?

But , you can offer a trinket or two for or against it Godric.

originally posted by: KellyPrettyBear
a reply to: mirageman

I'm only at about 18% on Andrew Pike's book.

I'ts both amazing and frustrating.

For one of the first times in my life, I'm feeling Deja Vu,
that i'd already read the book.. but that's impossible..
it was out of print until recently.

I highly recommend the book SO FAR. I'd definiltey
recommend that every interested party get it,
before it goes away again.

He's even waving around the "beam-powered drone"
thing apparently.. It's like i've been RV;ing that man's
brain all along.

Not much gets my goat these days.. but this is
disconcerting.

Kev

It's gone again and I've missed it. Danggit!!

I've obviously been missing the best conversation going on ATS as well. Just catching up.

I think ALL of this fits easily and well together from Exotic EM Weapons/Tech to Hypnotism to Security Testing and full Woo experiences as a result.

Maybe even those dead scientists.

No aliens needed. Just cold hard science or maybe that should be cold-hearted science.

Weird...I was just revisiting Kit history tonight--some things I had forgotten-- and, well, hell...the glove does fit I must admit. And I mean almost perfectly.

Can someone help me with the Pike book purty please? I have a feeling why it's hard to find.

Speaking of hard to find: Google is not our friend. That Duck be pretty good though.

Great job all on fascinating discussion and research.

originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: IsaacKoi

Thanks you Isaac I shall contact you re the above.

In other updates. For others interested.

Andrew Pike has written a rather lengthy piece regarding his book "The Rendlesham File" and subsequent withdrawal from sale again.

To avoid any misunderstandings I have decided not to quote anything here. Simply visit the link here.

Ahh...and there my answers be to why it's unavailable but I must read his work.

I lost most of my interest in RFI early in my UFO research because I was still looking for Aliens and I knew there were none to be found there rather quickly.

When I grew out of all that--mostly--I became somewhat interested again. Had I known about Mr. Pike I would've had much more interest and gotten to where I'm at today a tad quicker I do believe.

a reply to: The GUT

Yup.

Rendlesham would seem to be security EM testing / probably a BOL or two got attracted.

Hypnosis/drugs/mind control to clean it up.

That's all she wrote.

Kev

a reply to: Baablacksheep

Just as clarity for others reading and fairness to Mr Pike who gets constant rubbish from RFI related things, Dr Marckus is not Andrew Pike.

His research has little to no overlap with Pike's - with Pike being an astronomer and Marckus being aerospace physics. This is why I'm suggesting that there is a character who key players in the RFI have interacted with over the years. He lived in the area, yet has stayed under the radar.

The clues are out there - and you'll find far more in researching who this character claimed to be, what he claimed he knew and who he really might have been than any of the more obvious sources.

It would be interesting if Nick Cook would talk about this character and why he was used as a whistleblower for his book.

Please note - that Dr Marckus does not solve the RFI, at least without him speaking I can't be sure.

I could be wrong about Dr Marckus but not in terms of importance.

Here are some useful pointers:
- Read Nick Cook's The Hunt For Zero Point in depth
- Find out about the UK AntiGravity conferences
- Find out where else Dr Marckus appeared
- Consider environmentalism, climate change the area for more information
- Look for the common link between all of there

You will be left with two possibilities:
1) That Dr Marckus did not exist. That Cook invented him (I don't believe this for a second) , or that Dr Marckus was a persona invented to diver Cook for soom reason
2) That Dr Markus did exist and was involved in phenomena that are very closely connected to the RFI

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

I'd add that it was either testing alone or testing with some sort of intelligent (perhaps not sentient exactly) plasma phenomena.

My conclusion is as follows.

Numerous Walter Mitty type characters and organisations have been muddying the waters of the RFI for decades. It is now near impossible to say what happened with any certainty.

The solution to the RFI is unlikely to be found by further research, but rather the results, or lack of them generated by the Experiencer group that John Burroughs and two other named people were part of (out of a total of 70 people).

Dr Green, Dr Nolan and Puthoff's groundbreaking working will either:
- Be published and peer-reviewed
- Or be declared a failure

If true, it will change the way we view the phenomena, consciousness and the mind. If incorrect, most of so-called ufology will be reduced to a series of staged events, hypnotic coverups due to cold war scenarios and mental illness.

In my opinion.

a reply to: ctj83

What is your proof that the plasma phenomenon was sentient?

Now we know that even "dumb plasma" affects the brain to cause hallucinations..

I just want to distinguish absolutely someday, that there are different classes
of plasmas.. some "dumb" and some "sentient".

It's hard to weed out selection bias..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

Sadly, there's little to proof. In fact, I'd argue that there's no peer-reviewed proof that plasma causes hallucinations either. I'm being quite subtle here, but I'm sure you know what I mean.

It's simply that I suspect that a range of plasma phenomena, or absolutely nothing but testing are pretty much my conclusions as to what the RFI was at the moment Kev.

a reply to: ctj83

When a Lakota Sioux shaman wanted to attract "spirits", they would light up a pipe
and blow smoke.

Smoke is a mass of tiny particles of the right size, with charged ions.

In other words plasma.

When I realized that in my research, and put that together with personal
research and experience .. that started the ball rolling for me some years ago.

But proof? That's a toughie.

Now... whether the Plasma intelligences" are mostly stupid or not.. if you use
the "tulpa effect", with your sustained belief...

you will manufacture something that seems intelligent.

So what came first, the chicken or the egg?

I truly believe that in the very beginning.. 10+ billion years ago... that organics
something like us, accidentally created the first "plasma sentiences".. and
then these plasma sentiences evolved much faster than the organics did..

and colonized the entire universe.

That would make Earth a "national heritage site".. as the same thing is happening
here independently..

That's been my theory for 5+ years..

Theory..

Kev

a reply to: KellyPrettyBear

You may want to look at this article from the 2003 New Scientist Magazine

Physicists have created blobs of gaseous plasma that can grow, replicate and communicate – fulfilling most of the traditional requirements for biological cells....

... if Mircea Sanduloviciu and his colleagues at Cuza University in Romania are right...cell-like self-organisation can occur in a few microseconds....

The researchers studied environmental conditions similar to those that existed on the Earth before life began, when the planet was enveloped in electric storms that caused ionised gases called plasmas to form in the atmosphere....

He found that the spheres could replicate by splitting into two. Under the right conditions they also got bigger, taking up neutral argon atoms and splitting them into ions and electrons to replenish their boundary layers.....

Finally, they could communicate information by emitting electromagnetic energy, making the atoms within other spheres vibrate at a particular frequency. The spheres are not the only self-organising systems to meet all of these requirements. But they are the first gaseous “cells”.

Source : New Scientist

Now 2003 was also around the time that Nick Cook was 'distracted' . After "Billion Dollar Secret" in 1999? He went on to write "The Hunt of Zero Point" published in 2001 and then "UFOS the Secret Evidence" documentary for Channel 4 in the UK (aired in 2005)



What exactly this Dr. Marcus was doing acting as a sort of "Deep Throat" to Cook and whether he was distracting him or helping him I have no idea. Perhaps some of the answers lie in Cook's book?

Even if we decipher that though I think ctj is correct and it would not solve the RFI.

a reply to: ctj83

Mmm. Some interesting thoughts CT. I wish I could delve into this further, but time is not proving good for me just now, but, I would suggest to keep going. I do know the Nick stuff is interesting as well as the conferences bla bla. I am familiar with it all.

I hope to be back to ATS in the next couple of weeks.

In the meantime I also see Godric is teasing us with project Condign......

a reply to: mirageman

I don’t believe it will solve the RFI, but it has an interesting implication as a result. If the RFI involved zero point energy, anti gravity or plasma aerodynamics Dr Marckus would have been involved. He lived miles from the forest!

Or, if it was that secret and important, he would never have dared talk to Nick Cook at all.

a reply to: Baablacksheep

I do wonder if the conferences were really designed to get Podleketnov over to the U.K?

Do you know who organised the conferences?

a reply to: mirageman

I've seen that first article.

Now as to us:

www.terrybisson.com...

We are the meat.

The rest of the Universe laughs at us.

I know that it was a joke story.. but it seems that he was much more
prescient than he knew.

As to RFI?

Well it's just an unsubstanited opinion..

but it seems to me that they may have been testing the "EM Fencing" thing
and possibly a few other technologies.

Which -- IMHO attracted a conventional BOL or two.

That's what I'm sticking with.

Nothing more exotic than that.

Kev

a reply to: mirageman

Great discussion. Just some thoughts to add....

This research raises the intriguing possibility that life throughout the universe could have a very much broader basis that normally recognized. If plasma-based life can arise naturally, places to look for it could include the outer layers or interiors of stars (see Sun, life in), planetary magnetospheres, HII regions, and even ball lightning.
www.daviddarling.info...

This type of plasma phenomena does seem linked to what Mr. Crowley describes.

In New Hampshire, Crowley had his own paranormal visitations, with a type of glowing orb. The experience affected Crowley enough for him to write and submit a letter for publication in The New York Times. The letter reads:

To the Editor of The New York Times:

I do not know whether globular lightning is a sufficiently
rare phenomenon in this country to merit remark. Yesterday a
globe of fire with an apparent diameter of about a foot burst on
the floor of the middle room of a cottage here and within a few
inches of my right foot. Curiously enough, no damage of any
kind was done.

ALEISTER CROWLEY.
New Bristol, N.H.,
July 13, 1916

This is also another interesting quote from The Book of Thoth.

“The central and most important feature of the card is its centre — the Holy Grail. It is of pure amethyst, of the colour of Jupiter, but its shape suggests the full moon and the Great Sea of Binah.

In the centre is radiant blood; the spiritual life is inferred; light in the darkness. These rays, moreover, revolve, emphasizing the Jupiterian element.”

(The Book of Thoth, p. 86–87)

This last quote could today, imo, may be a fusion process, Zero Point Energy or this plasma phenomena, in the sense of a 'Holy Grail'.

This seems to be what Mr. Crowley was trying to manifest in this area as well as other areas around the globe on sacred lands or near/on ancient burial grounds..

But in a shamanic method rather than by a technologically governed method.

The area seems to have this plasma type phenomena both past and present.

This phenomena pre-dates both Christianity and Judaism.

It has been described as Divine Light.

Phew!!

a reply to: ctj83

Hi ctj83. I am reading the rest of the Nick Cook book this week among others.
I will comment once read.