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originally posted by: mirageman
a reply to: ctj83
It is no coincidence that once the Cold War ended that there have been very few 'classic' UFO cases. All those contact stories, abduction stories and close encounters seemed to be confined to history. At a certain point while studying UFO stories you realize that the fingers of the intelligence communities are always poking about in the topic as well. They don't seem to hunt for bigfoot or ghosts so there must be something to UFOs that interests them!
Years ago I remember seeing a thread on ATS with some declassified documents from decades ago, I think from the 1950s, which confirmed that officials had no more idea what some of the UFOs were than the rest of us. Some possible explanations were discussed including extraterrestrial origins but they clearly had no idea. I've tried to find this thread again but haven't had any luck.
originally posted by: Springer
a reply to: Jayceedove
Your summation on "the cover up" is exactly what I've believed for 25 years.... The only thing being covered up is a lack of knowledge and/or understanding.
What we have seen are UFOlogists ridiculing the Air Forces explanation of "Venus" for certain UFO reports, which can't be right because people can certainly tell the difference between Venus and a UFO, according to the UFOlogists. But you can find recent cell phone pictures and videos of Venus right here on ATS, reported as UFOs. So it's becoming increasingly clear as time goes on that the assumption by UFOlogists that people can tell the difference between Venus and a UFO isn't right.
originally posted by: mbkennel
What's even more telling. Now that there are ubiquitous high-quality phone cameras and decent phone videos, have we seen any more novel, contemporary, high quality high-weirdness UFO incidents? No, not at all, people are still rehashing the same old same old from decades ago.
Years ago I remember seeing a thread on ATS with some declassified documents from decades ago, I think from the 1950s, which confirmed that officials had no more idea what some of the UFOs were than the rest of us. Some possible explanations were discussed including extraterrestrial origins but they clearly had no idea. I've tried to find this thread again but haven't had any luck.
....Halt deny the flashing light he saw was coming from the lighthouse and in fact his audio tape certainly seems to confirm that it was, with the interval of the light exactly matching the interval of the flashing light from the lighthouse.
originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Jayceedove
Thanks for that very detailed reply Jenny. I think many of us don't understand the case in such detail. In particular the fact that there was such a small window for the body to appear or be deposited on the coal heap.
Do you have any suggestions why the witness might not have been called?
originally posted by: ctj83
a reply to: Jayceedove
So, someone was interested enough to have your phone tapped and it probably relates both to The Godfrey incident and the RFI.
I might be confused but wasn't there also, at one point, van outside working on a telephone poll but the company had no record of the Van?
Was this before or after these incidents?
WK : .....It was very, very tangible, tingling, electrostatic energy. Very powerful. And from that point forward, the meter started to go off scale, and so powerfully so that I was actually concerned for you that as we approached much closer there might be physical effects......
....But the meter we were using was specifically designed for very low frequency and static—electrostatic fields. So it's filtered out by several orders of magnitude from signals in the range of 50 or 60 hertz. It's—this is looking for things no higher than 14 hertz. And typically it's looking for static, scalar type fields......
the source was actually invisible. It was invisible to the naked eye, and it was invisible to far and infrared. But it was very well defined in terms of its electric profile. And it's the kind of profile that you would get if you had a strong radiating plasma source, for instance.
Now, there are plasma sources that are nonvisible. Dark plasmas. It could be that kind of effect, but it would seem to be an artificial field by an object that had all the texture of some kind of plasma object radiating a longitudinal wave field.
LMH : YOU WENT ON TO SAY THAT YOU WITNESSED—ALONG WITH JOHN, I BELIEVE— PING-PONG SIZED BALLS OF BLUE-WHITE LIGHT THAT APPEARED AMONG THE TREES IN FRONT OF YOU
Absolutely, yes. Even the visible light cameras picked up the blue, ping-pong ball sized balls of what looked like bright, glowing plasma. A very, very clear effect. Very energetic. My best estimate of what we were experiencing was there was an object that was actually trans-dimensional there and we were seeing a bleed-through of energy from something that isn't quite in our reality. It's just phase shift from it, but the energetic field of it is interpenetrating a field here, and it's connecting with the ground energy of the site, the telluric currents that flow beneath the ground. And I believe that the little ping-pong balls of light were actually the interaction between the scalar energy field and the natural telluric currents of the area....
JB : I've never said this publicly, but I might as well bring it up now. There were two things that happened that were strange. And now, one of the things that I'll bring up is this is all on film, folks. So you can sit there and say, 'Oh, we're recreating or talking about something there's no proof of.' But this was all filmed. As a matter of fact, a piece of it made it in on one of the Ancient Aliens shows. He started walking around in the forest like he was reliving the whole thing. But as he did that, I saw a bright, white flash of light that started to appear from my left because I was watching him. It came in, and it actually, like it expanded around Jim.......
''''''''''''''''there was no object there at all. So there was no craft or anything else, but he was acting like there was something there. And it was like he went back in time, or maybe he didn't. Maybe it was just happening again. And he walked around it and described the whole thing. And then, towards the end of it—and this is where it gets creepy, Win. Maybe you can help me with this, too. I saw what appeared to be a fuzzy, dark face.
WK : I remember you coming back to the hotel, and you said, 'It's gone. The energy's gone.' And I thought, 'Well, it can't do. There's something in that field that's very powerful. It can't just have gone.' So I drove straight out with the truck.
And I took the equipment into the field. And the energy was gone. It was back to normal, back to ground levels that you expect.
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JB: Question, follow up: early on when you started this explanation, you said that they were working on communications between radars and human minds?
WK : Yes.
JB : Can you go into more detail into that please?
WK : Yeah. Some I can talk about, some I can't. If it's civilian I can talk about it... Part of my work in aerospace dealt with omni-generational fighters that are just starting to appear now, so this is 25 years after I was designing things for them.
But even then, one particular fighter aircraft that's just out now, I know had a thing called the thinking helmet. And I saw the prototype of that running in the early 1980s. And that was assisted and designed to directly pick up signals from the brain and communicate with the brain to provide fast background operations of the aircraft,...
And that was viable. In the mid-1980s it was removed from the final specification due to cost overruns. ..... I'm looking here at a company that I met 20 years ago. And this is a company that specialized in reading your brain in a kind of projected MRI beam that would look for polygraph type responses in your brain. And so those things are there. Those things were commercialized 20 years ago. So yeah, who knows. Who knows?
JB: So that would be basically—because this is going to lead to a question. That would be basically telepathy, correct?
WK: That would be effectively mechanical telepathy.....
So you put the two together and you have machine to human communication. And that to my knowledge has been available commercially and militarily for over 20 years.
JB : OK. Now the follow up before I go further. How would that be transmitted? What would be used? Would it be binary?
WK : Interestingly, the Frey effect, which is what a lot of that work is based upon, works on short duration fast rise pulses.
John: In theory, it could put a message in somebody and keep it from being triggered until later on. Like, say for example, Jim got some of the message, some of it later, somebody else out there may have gotten an important piece of the message that would not come to light until years later. Is that possible?
“It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled.”
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John Burroughs : There was transmission—high-powered transmission—I shouldn't say high-powered. There was some electrical lines down there. The equipment you were using would have not been affected by them would they?
Winston Keech : It's shielded from that. There was an 11,000 volt, main 50 hertz high-tension wire running across the corner of that field.
But the meter we were using was specifically designed for very low frequency and static—electrostatic fields. So it's filtered out by several orders of magnitude from signals in the range of 50 or 60 hertz. It's—this is looking for things no higher than 14 hertz. And typically it's looking for static, scalar type fields.
The meter we were using was specifically designed for very low frequency and static—electrostatic fields. So it's filtered out by several orders of magnitude from signals in the range of 50 or 60 hertz. It's—this is looking for things no higher than 14 hertz. And typically it's looking for static, scalar type fields.
Well, based from the model I formed in my head as I took the samples, it was forming what's called a soliton field, which is a scalar field generated standing wave, almost like—almost like a cymatic reaction pattern.
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So we're seeing like little circular ring fence peaks around the sort of focus of the emanations. And this is characterized specifically by longitudinal wave propagation. This is not an EM wave propagation effect. So it's not normal radio waves. It's not the normal kind of electricity you're used to. This is more like an electrostatic field.
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And it's the kind of profile that you would get if you had a strong radiating plasma source, for instance.