America; A Coward Country

beezzer
I make an observation, write about it, and get called a whiner?

lolz

Methinks some doth protest too much.

The comfort of government security and care must far outweigh the benefits brought about with freedoms inherent with individuality, self-determination.

I really think that if people want the warm embrace of the DMV, then they should chase after it.

Just don't include me, create laws that include me, or force me to partake in the love-fest some have with government!

Government is a necessary evil. It is like a prostate exam. Annoying. Intrusive. Uncomfortable. But sometimes necessary.

It should not be the end-all be-all of everyone's lives!

Laws, from the beginning of time have included all of us, seems like there is a book out there, that segments of the population love to quote, that include laws of thou shall not kill, thou shall not steal, thou shall not lie. Everyone points to the federal laws as the issue, local, county, and state laws affect me much more closely, and they pretty much upset me the most. Now the fed says I have to buy health insurance, have lived in 10 different states, and they all said that I had to buy car insurance, some said I had to have safety inspections, some even said I needed emission inspections. Now the asshats in NYC say I can't buy cigarettes until I am 21, seriously local and state control in our mobile environment are some of the biggest hinderences to small business.

Zoyd23
Excellent insights and many thanks for expressing this so clearly...as a critical thinker I have been ridiculed by many of my old friends for questioning the NSA, Benghazi, IRS, actions of the Obama administration--not to mention their sacred Obamacare. Even questioning Obama leads to charges of racism. a few days ago Oprah said, "People who criticize Obama are racists," in the UK media....

I believe their will be a big reaction to Obama and his nanny state....I may be too old, but it's time to take back rights for those who still believe in personal freedom.

Did you also question the things that Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, and JFK did?

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But I'm not going to allow you to change the narrative.

Beezer,

The context of your "narrative" was dismantled the moment that you threw Klayman under the bus like you didn't even know what you were posting in your own thread.

Your OP was nothing but vague and the logic of some of your responses concerning independence is so flawed that I essentially lost the heart to even respond to you. Figured I would just let you be, that it was an emotional rant. But no, here you are, back to defend your weird ambiguous cry for help.

I've read skyfloating's thread, it's an awesome contribution of information. Amongst other things, it seems to be about the mechanisms that have supposedly been put in to place by others to keep people from speaking their mind. How ironic then that you have posted such an ambiguous OP and that you seem unwilling to stand behind, for instance, Klayman, or even be definitive about where you stand at all. Under the circumstances it's not possible to take you seriously. I'm glad you are testing out a new lexicon, I also applaud your willingness to see the social sciences as a legitimate tool for self-defense and grabbing for it instinctively, instead of a club, or a gun.

But you are in absolutely no position to be calling any American a coward, for you to do so only reveals how short-sighted you are in terms of this country's history, despite your education. The conditions that were present in America when you were able to stabilize your life economically do not exist any longer. Many of us have known this for twice as many years, at least, as you seem to have, and you getting everyone upset because you just "discovered the facts" would have been definitely better off in a rant thread, as there is no information in this thread and your bitching got old on page 1. Your whole line of reasoning is even more aggravating considering that you served a full career in the military, I served too, and got the hell away from Uncle Sam's, big wet security blanket and struck out on my own. I can't tell you how much harder that is than sticking with the blanket.

You know who the cowards are? The folks that have become frozen with terror by the irrevocable change that America is going through. The cowards are those all around me that have succumbed to "white flight" over the last 15 or more years and have bailed out for whiter climes instead of engaging with society and trying to help find solutions to America's problems. It's the cowards that are standing there obstinately refusing to move until someone returns to them the Leave It To Beaver social landscape that they dream that their fathers died for. It's gone, beezer. It left on the short bus.

What happened to your league-of-like-minded-insurance-buyers that you got us all excited about?! I'm busy and had only had time to just get vaguely bummed about some of the problems that I heard about concerning Obama-care, so I was so happy to have read your thread. I even passed on the information to others.

Instead of a thread from you explaining how you mastered that, or at least how you learned definitively what needs to be fixed about it so we can make it work, you are the one that has buckled under the fear and have posted this thread where you have re-aimed the gun (your new social-sciences lexicon) at all of us and are calling all of us cowards.

Tell you what? get some rest coward. One thing I can tell you for sure, I can smell it in the air, one thing that Americans are treacherously sick and tired of is the complaining.

Just as you like it, Beez, no butterflies, no cupcakes.

Haz a nice day, citizen.

reply to post by Bybyots


Your post only illustrates my point.

Thank you.

Now go along and obey.

Cheers.

reply to post by beezzer


This is off-topic, but will you be wearing a Christmas hat this year, beezzer?

If you're lucky you or anyone can get a hat fitted here

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Not that I'm telling you what to do or anything, but an X-mas hat would look good on your avatar, and do you have a bunny pic that isn't crying? Then again they could just as easily be tears of joy.

Amazing post. You're absolutely correct and gave a very good, appropriately subtle and basic overview on this. Indeed, people that think 'independently' and don't gobble down and spit up all of the PC, marxist mainstream garbage are the modern day heretics, or just as similar, the modern day 'witch'.

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The fascism comes from nowhere but ourselves, beezer. Not from governments, not from psychopaths, it comes from right inside of all of us.

Do you feel it constricting around your heart like a python? You can stop it.

Clear runnings, Brah

Bybyots
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The fascism comes from nowhere but ourselves, beezer. Not from governments, not from psychopaths, it comes from right inside of all of us.

Do you feel it constricting around your heart like a python? You can stop it.

Clear runnings, Brah

We allow it. We become passive and allow it to happen to us.

Apathy may be a bigger killer than anything else.

beezzer

Bybyots
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The fascism comes from nowhere but ourselves, beezer. Not from governments, not from psychopaths, it comes from right inside of all of us.

Do you feel it constricting around your heart like a python? You can stop it.

Clear runnings, Brah

We allow it. We become passive and allow it to happen to us.

Apathy may be a bigger killer than anything else.

For Christ's sake, man, yes!

You know that video from Charlie Chaplin that everyone likes to post, spouting about how wonderful it is because it tells the truth?

It does. But Charlie was trying to tell us the truth about ourselves. He was trying to warn of the very thing that we are now in agreement upon. It's not a warning against anything but ourselves and our natural propensity for becoming fascists!



Thank you, dudeman, I have been dying to get that off my chest and you allowed me to do it in almost only one sentence.

beezzer

Bybyots
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The fascism comes from nowhere but ourselves, beezer. Not from governments, not from psychopaths, it comes from right inside of all of us.

Do you feel it constricting around your heart like a python? You can stop it.

Clear runnings, Brah

We allow it. We become passive and allow it to happen to us.

Apathy may be a bigger killer than anything else.

Ohhh boy ... I'm 'bout to step into deep water here, but I read bybyots' posts. It may be page 14, but this is where you've gotta make your stand Beez. Buried deep where only the interested are gonna see it.

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Yes, beezer, you should, just as Charlie Chaplin has stated: there are vague and unscrupulous people out there who are trying to warp your mind.

You had better make your stand.

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, doesn't it?

Bybyots
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Yes, beezer, you should, just as Charlie Chaplin has stated: there are vague and unscrupulous people out there who are trying to warp your mind.

You had better make your stand.

My milkshake brings all the boys to the yard, doesn't it?

edit on 20-11-2013 by Bybyots because: . : .

I hate to admit, am 53 years old and had never watched that clip, it is spot on, and you are spot on in your analysis. There are a lot of issues that face our country, just as there was 200+ years ago. The loss of compromise and the center are affecting all of us badly.

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*sigh*

My stand has always been a simple one.

Yes, I have had a long career with the military. But I do not trust government in providing for me.

I have a college education. I have years of experience. I will decide my own fate based on what I want.

Government dictates how you;
live
eat
buy
spend
drink
smoke

based on what they give you. Through social security, retirement pay from the military, entitlements, disability pay, etc.

I refuse to let government dictate for me. I refuse to allow government to make life determinations for me.

I will work, save/spend as I see fit. As for actually getting involved in local politics, I'd like to be more vocal and active in my chosen area to live. We'll see.

Apathy, cowardice, ennui, social engineering, . . . . call it whatever you want.

I am going to be an active participant in making my life decisions for me and mine. No damned bean counter, beaurocrat, politician gets to make that for me.

I will not suffer from fear of taking responsibility for my actions. Of taking accountability for my life. I am only a victim if I allow myself to become one.

I'm going to pilot my ship through life.

Not be a damned passenger.

reply to post by beezzer


Government is made of people - that people could include you.

If you cannot work with other people - why should they work with you?

Independence is not harmful to a certain extent. But to some degree there needs to be consensus.

Every human being accounted for and their "equality" or trust that such is your interest too. Or why should they work with you?

"Enough" - everyone's definition of enough varies from person to person, time to time, place to place. How is it easy for 7 Billion+ people to agree to work with each other.

If you don't work together, how do you claim the right to live in anything aside from a pre-existing cave dwelling?

Private or public, really makes no difference in that sense.

I will speak more tomorrow perhaps.

beezzer
*sigh*
-snip-
I'm going to pilot my ship through life. Not be a damned passenger.

If I had a keyboard right now ...

I think we're all a little guilty when it comes to weariness ... And 'they' are infinitely patient.

My solution was to raise my kids right. they're not gonna win for a while longer.

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I hear that quite often, that more "socialism" would mean that the government wants more people dependent on the government.

The people are NOT dependent on the government BECAUSE of the government, they become dependent on the government because of circumstances of life.

Example

If you have many unemployed who are depending on welfare...in how far is the government responsible for the people being unemployed? You are blaming THE GVT that people are unemployed?

I do not see ANYTHING wrong with universal healthcare, welfare/unemployment protection, guaranteed and free education for anyone. (All things you still have ways to go....)

What else should the government's purpose be? The government exists to BENEFIT the society..not vice versa.

The problem in the US (in particular - but elsewhere too) is that "the system" is too screwed up with "free-reign" capitalism which works on the back of the poor. It's a system which CAN only, at some point, fail.... It's logical impossible that a minority (the "elite") amass wealth by exploiting others and that this system works for many decades without creating MAJOR problems. Especially since there are no protection mechanism in place. A company can chose to hire/outsource all their workforce. A landlord can increase rents, homes can become unaffordable while wages and available work get less and less. At some point, people struggle to survive. They have problems even surviving, an illness can be the ruin for a family.

Since there are no adequate protection mechanisms in place (because corporates work for their own PROFIT, not for the well-being of society)...at some point government "intervention" is the only logical solution. Again..I don't see anything wrong when the gvt is helping their own people. NOTHING AT ALL.

Of course...it's not a "solution"....because the CAUSE of the problems must be addressed... the solution to fighting unemployment obviously is NOT to give anyone welfare and unemployment assistance...but no-one would say that anyway.

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NoRulesAllowed
Again..I don't see anything wrong when the gvt is helping their own people. NOTHING AT ALL.

Of course...it's not a "solution"....because the CAUSE of the problems must be addressed... the solution to fighting unemployment obviously is NOT to give anyone welfare and unemployment assistance...but no-one would say that anyway.

The government is helping 'the people' by reaching into my pocket. That should be my choice.

Welfare has been redefined as an alternate method of employment.

Unemployment is the fault of the economy and those who are too good to take on jobs that are available. And I don't want to see any tears over the guy who can't qualify for the rocket scientist's position because he didn't go to college.

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Beezer, I totally agree with you.
Being a country girl myself, what do you propose us americans do?
I feel like I do not conform to the 'norm'.
I was always appalled by the way americans wanted the government to tell them how to raise their children.
how to eat.
what to eat
how much of an income I should have
if I should give up my guns.
buy forced healthcare.
etc etc.

I had deer meat for dinner tonight.
I feel like being out in the country could make me and my neighbors.... well... unnoticed?

But what can someone like me do about it?
I am just one disgruntled american citizen. and I would love to make a difference.

horseplay
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Beezer, I totally agree with you.
Being a country girl myself, what do you propose us americans do?
I feel like I do not conform to the 'norm'.
I was always appalled by the way americans wanted the government to tell them how to raise their children.
how to eat.
what to eat
how much of an income I should have
if I should give up my guns.
buy forced healthcare.
etc etc.

I had deer meat for dinner tonight.
I feel like being out in the country could make me and my neighbors.... well... unnoticed?

But what can someone like me do about it?
I am just one disgruntled american citizen. and I would love to make a difference.

My son had bbq elk ribs the other night. Was sooo jealous!

As to what to do? Be yourself, fight the battles you feel are important. If enough of us do that, we might make a difference.