History Forum proposal. :)

I strongly oppose the idea of a history forum on ATS and this is why.

ATS should not become a digital archive consisting of regurgitated "official" narratives. ATS should be a forum for reviewing historically narratives from a diametrically opposed point of view. Even Jim Marrs says the Zapruder film can't be trusted.

Let's get real people.

Official narratives cannot ever be trusted yet ironically they somehow have a powerful sway in the minds of all those people who have been subdued by the official historical narratives.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
The North Vietnamese gunboats posed a serious threat to the United States in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Sirhan Sirhan acted alone.

Official narratives have said that the moon landings were "For All Mankind" yet the official narratives are not objective enough to admit that Apollo 17, the last manned lunar landing in December 1972, was the coequivalent to the carpet bombing of North Vietnam during Christmas 1972.

I think Rage Against the Machine could have something valuable to say about history itself:

The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouning off every #ing wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bull# that he learned in school

Vote No against ATS history forum

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


So lets ignore and disregard ALL History in case some of it isn't right?
Stop any chance of discussing history to uncover and learn?


Where should I cue up to burn all my books?

SayonaraJupiter
I strongly oppose the idea of a history forum on ATS and this is why.

ATS should not become a digital archive consisting of regurgitated "official" narratives. ATS should be a forum for reviewing historically narratives from a diametrically opposed point of view. Even Jim Marrs says the Zapruder film can't be trusted.

Let's get real people.

Official narratives cannot ever be trusted yet ironically they somehow have a powerful sway in the minds of all those people who have been subdued by the official historical narratives.

Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone.
The North Vietnamese gunboats posed a serious threat to the United States in the Gulf of Tonkin.
Sirhan Sirhan acted alone.

Official narratives have said that the moon landings were "For All Mankind" yet the official narratives are not objective enough to admit that Apollo 17, the last manned lunar landing in December 1972, was the coequivalent to the carpet bombing of North Vietnam during Christmas 1972.

I think Rage Against the Machine could have something valuable to say about history itself:

The teacher stands in front of the class
But the lesson plan he can't recall
The student's eyes don't perceive the lies
Bouning off every #ing wall
His composure is well kept
I guess he fears playing the fool
The complacent students sit and listen to some of that
Bull# that he learned in school

Vote No against ATS history forum

edit on 11/11/2013 by SayonaraJupiter because: (no reason given)

It needn't be that way there are plenty of voices with a different POV from the official version, Oliver Stone's Untold History of the United States came to mind I myself often go against the grain of officially sanctioned history,especially if I can get as close to an original source as possible.
Vote Yes To A History Forum...paid for by the people who like history.

SayonaraJupiter
ATS should be a forum for reviewing historically narratives from a diametrically opposed point of view.

Fair enough. Now, in which forum should this "reviewing" take place?

Even Jim Marrs says the Zapruder film can't be trusted.

The cheetos stuck to the bottom of the seat cushion is a bit suspicious too....

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do this! I love history and subscribe to the theory that if you don't learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. We need a place where we can discuss the dirty secrets of all things history, not just ancient civilizations.

Come on Skeptic Overlord!

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Where did you get the idea that a history forum on a conspiracy theory forum would be treated as an outlet to express the official narratives? I'd assume that we'd just treat it as any other forum and discuss the alternative histories present (as well as having the usual debunkers siding with the official story because that is necessary as well)

reply to post by zazzafrazz


You can do it here, we have a good bonfire pit area. Weather been kind of wet lately though, and chilly

zazzafrazz
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

So lets ignore and disregard ALL History in case some of it isn't right?
Stop any chance of discussing history to uncover and learn?

Where should I cue up to burn all my books?

Sorry Zazzafrazz, at no time did I suggest any of those things.

I am not opposed to the discussion of history on ATS but I am opposed to the formal creation of a 'history forum' because history rightfully belongs in any of the following forums:

World War III, Secret Societies, Military Projects, Deconstructing Disinformation, General Conspiracies, New World Order, The Gray Area, Skunk Works, Political Ideology, Political Conspiracies, Conspiracies in Religions, Ancient & Lost Civilizations, Research Forum, Debate Forum, or Literature.

Zazzafrazz Being a history buff, I have over the years not created threads I'd like to do because they don't fall into Ancient Civilisations.

It doesn't cost a dime to post here on ATS, Zazzafrazz! You should feel welcome to post history related subjects in any of the Forums.

What I cannot support is a new forum for 'history' because it would force the ATS moderators to be the arbitrators of what is and what is not qualified, or unqualified, to be considered proper history.

We cannot ask the moderators to participate in that! Don't you see how a formal history forum is practically a death knell for a conspiracy-themed website like ATS?

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


yeah disagree with your list of where the subjects can go, they do not by any means cover it all.....
but thats your prerogative to think you know history instead of allowing people open dialogue on the subjects to come to a historical fact. Thanks for your feedback.

I didn't post as there was NO WHERE to post. World war 3 you suggest..... you want me to post history in a made up subject that hasn't happened yet, but manages to get a forum?

It can be a BTS forum, like music tv sports etc, these are all on ATS and yet aren't conspiracy topics.

SayonaraJupiter
[

World War III, Secret Societies, Military Projects, Deconstructing Disinformation, General Conspiracies, New World Order, The Gray Area, Skunk Works, Political Ideology, Political Conspiracies, Conspiracies in Religions, Ancient & Lost Civilizations, Research Forum, Debate Forum, or Literature.

There a are people intrested in History that dont look at all those forums especially the forums were the crazys mostly hang out.

SayonaraJupiter
What I cannot support is a new forum for 'history' because it would force the ATS moderators to be the arbitrators of what is and what is not qualified, or unqualified, to be considered proper history.

We cannot ask the moderators to participate in that!

Thats complete BS.

They dont need to arbitrators anything just make sure the T&C are complied with.

They have a couple of science forums and the mods dont need to arbitrator what classed as real science.

SayonaraJupiter
Don't you see how a formal history forum is practically a death knell for a conspiracy-themed website like ATS?

Yeah cause god fobide we discourage historical ignorance

Sorry but you are in a very small minority.

ATS has nothing to lose as if a history forum doesnt work out then they can get ride of it.

Krazysh0t
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

Where did you get the idea that a history forum on a conspiracy theory forum would be treated as an outlet to express the official narratives? I'd assume that we'd just treat it as any other forum and discuss the alternative histories present (as well as having the usual debunkers siding with the official story because that is necessary as well)

Alternative historical narratives can go in Skunk Works. I am an avid history buff myself and that's where I post my alternate history threads that have sources. I am an avid history buff so I also post in the Research Forum and General Conspiracies.

There are no existing barriers that prohibit ATS users from posting about historical subjects on ATS with regard to official or alternative historical narratives, (except for the Holocaust and those other touchy areas that have been forbidden by the Owners).

VOTE NO HISTORY FORUM

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter



I think your varied suggestions *which are spread out across multiple and varying forums* demonstrates the obvious reason why many here feel the need for a single topic related forum.

Just my opinion.

Rigel4 here!
I'm in !♋

We want history

reply to post by SayonaraJupiter


Why should we have to go across many different forum topics to get our history fix? That makes no sense. I'm really not sure what the downside of having this forum would be. A place where we can have a centralized discussion about history topics. If you don't like the forum, you don't even have to click on it (though you admit you like history so I imagine that even you would even end up on it). It doesn't detract anything and only adds to the knowledge pool that this site provides to its members.

Even the mainstream view of history can be discussed. I'd like to see historical accounts written up from the mainstream perspective so our subscribers of alternative history can come in and debate with them. This only sounds like a good thing. I mean you sound like you don't like this idea because it will somehow spread false history or something? We are supposed to deny ignorance, and any topic should be welcome for discussion. History is a topic that is varied and covers enough discussions that it should warrant its own discussion forum. It is as simple as that.

ETA: I really like this idea and we need to increase awareness of this idea. Don't let this thread die!

reply to post by zazzafrazz


Oh I agree Zazz!!

I love history and a lot of things don't fall in the Ancient Civilization category.

Maybe they could put a History forum that covers from say 1000 years up until now and anything prior is ancient? No idea what is really considered ancient but it's a thought.

Yes please make a history forum!

reply to post by zazzafrazz


I'd like to see a History Forum - it'd be good to have the opportunity to view and post about historical events that people aren't generally aware of or which aren't taught and spoken about in MSM and mainstream education.
It would also be good to have a dedicated Forum for people to express alternative perspectives on accepted historical events and timelines.

SLAYER69
reply to post by SayonaraJupiter

 

I think your varied suggestions *which are spread out across multiple and varying forums* demonstrates the obvious reason why many here feel the need for a single topic related forum.

Just my opinion.

I agree it's just my opinion, too. At this point I've made all my arguments against it. They are just my opinions about it. I hope that no one felt that my inputs into the thread should be taken personally. I am simply advocating the case against a new history forum. I'll even rest my case at this point.

I keep thinking about the idea of a History Forum but in reality there is 1% interest in history subjects here on ATS. I have tried with various threads but I feel that those threads never gain momentum.. it's just me talking to myself, like a blog, you know?

MAE BRUSSELL Happy Birthday Conspiracy Queen
www.abovetopsecret.com...

I listened to all of Mae's tapes from 1971-1978 and I stopped at the point of her series on the Jonestown Massacre recorded December of 1978. It's difficult to listen to all those tapes knowing that she was under constant FBI surveillance, infiltrators tried to take control of her huge library of source materials, and the CIA moved in across the street from her house. She was under a lot of stress during those years. These tapes wore me out while listening to them and I don't know when I'll get the motivation to listen to the last and final years from 1978-1988.

One of the vectors on Mae Brussell's stress level was another highly regarded JFK researcher named Mark Lane. Everyone has heard his name but do they know he was in Jonestown during the massacre? Probably not. And there is only 1% interest in Mark Lane, his role in the JFK conspiracy, his role in making movies about the JFk conspiracy Mark Lane and Executive Action (1973)
www.abovetopsecret.com...

and his other roles in which he opposed Mae Brussell during the House Select Committee on Assassinations.. there is a whole history behind this rivalry and people just don't give a rip about it... they don't care if it's a history thread or a conspiracy theorist thread or a skunkworks thread... no body #ing cares!

Then I did a thread on Howard Hughes birthday Happy Birthday Howard Hughes Dec. 24, 1905 www.abovetopsecret.com... and it's basically going to end up a dead end if I don't "tend the thread" by "bumping" it to the to recent posts listings.. which I occassionaly do.. just to try to spark some interest.... unfortunately nobody on ATS really gives a # about Howard Hughes, Mae Brussell or Richard Nixon.

BUT if there isn't any interest so why do I do it?

It sure ain't for the stars and flags, baby.