Gov't shutdown and Chemtrails link???

smurfy

Zaphod58
reply to post by smurfy

 

Then prove us wrong. Instead of sitting here talking about it, be the first to get up and DO SOMETHING, and prove us wrong. There are any number of ways from building a sampling device using weather balloons that you can get online, to buying jetfuel and having it tested. But instead of just posting things on an internet forum, be different, and actually prove us wrong.

Been there, done it. Now you get up off your ass, and go look up my posts, and feck your weather balloons. At one time I thought you were coming from a sincere point of view, that idea is now gone. BTW, who is us?

I am only here a few days and I already know there is no sincerity present.

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Okay. Excellent. Since you have it saved and I have it saved, then what chapter would you care to discuss as it relates to the topic of chemtrails and weather modification?

Section II
Chapter 9
Program Area C
Preventing Stratospheric Ozone Depletion
Objectives
b. To develop strategies aimed at mitigating the adverse effects of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface as a consequence of depletion and modification of the stratospheric ozone layer.
habitat.igc.org...

Excellent choice for discussion.

From the same Agenda 21 Section:

Activities

9.24. Governments at the appropriate level, with the cooperation of the relevant United Nations bodies and, as appropriate, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations, and the private sector, should:
a. Ratify, accept or approve the Montreal Protocol and its 1990 amendments; pay their contributions towards the Vienna/Montreal trust funds and the interim multilateral ozone fund promptly; and contribute, as appropriate, towards ongoing efforts under the Montreal Protocol and its implementing mechanisms, including making available substitutes for CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances and facilitating the transfer of the corresponding technologies to developing countries in order to enable them to comply with the obligations of the Protocol;
b. Support further expansion of the Global Ozone Observing System by facilitating - through bilateral and multilateral funding - the establishment and operation of additional systematic observation stations, especially in the tropical belt in the southern hemisphere;
c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;
d. Based on the results of research on the effects of the additional ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface, consider taking appropriate remedial measures in the fields of human health, agriculture and marine environment;
e. Replace CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances, consistent with the Montreal Protocol, recognizing that a replacement's suitability should be evaluated holistically and not simply based on its contribution to solving one atmospheric or environmental problem

Can you identify, from any of these listed activities from Agenda 21, anything involving aircraft and supposed chemtrails?

Yes. Section C.

Okay. Specifically, what do you read in this section:

c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;

that leads you to believe aircraft and chemtrails are being used to counter ozone depletion of the atmosphere?

reply to post by NotSoAnonymous


You may not realize that that you are making some common mistakes in your post which have been addressed many times.

Traffic using local airports do not leave contrails

Although you may not have photographs with contrails on them before the 1970's, or whenever, there nevertheless are a great number of them. Many going back to world war 2.

Those contrails in days gone by are going to be fewer and further between than they are now because air traffic has risen massively since then, also more (most nowadays) commercial jets are powered by HBPR turbofans, lower powered prop liners are fewer in number and turbojet transports are all but extinct.

There are many mundane reasons for the proliferation of contrails, and they would have to be taken fully into account if one is going to make a credible claim for chemtrails.

reply to post by smurfy


Skeptics in general is "us".

Really, you showed the chemical makeup of chemtrails? You showed higher levels of aluminum in jet fuel? You proved conclusively that they are real?

Oh yes, I'm getting paid for this, I'm so insincere in my knowledge and beliefs, unlike so many others.

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Okay. Excellent. Since you have it saved and I have it saved, then what chapter would you care to discuss as it relates to the topic of chemtrails and weather modification?

Section II
Chapter 9
Program Area C
Preventing Stratospheric Ozone Depletion
Objectives
b. To develop strategies aimed at mitigating the adverse effects of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface as a consequence of depletion and modification of the stratospheric ozone layer.
habitat.igc.org...

Excellent choice for discussion.

From the same Agenda 21 Section:

Activities

9.24. Governments at the appropriate level, with the cooperation of the relevant United Nations bodies and, as appropriate, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations, and the private sector, should:
a. Ratify, accept or approve the Montreal Protocol and its 1990 amendments; pay their contributions towards the Vienna/Montreal trust funds and the interim multilateral ozone fund promptly; and contribute, as appropriate, towards ongoing efforts under the Montreal Protocol and its implementing mechanisms, including making available substitutes for CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances and facilitating the transfer of the corresponding technologies to developing countries in order to enable them to comply with the obligations of the Protocol;
b. Support further expansion of the Global Ozone Observing System by facilitating - through bilateral and multilateral funding - the establishment and operation of additional systematic observation stations, especially in the tropical belt in the southern hemisphere;
c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;
d. Based on the results of research on the effects of the additional ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface, consider taking appropriate remedial measures in the fields of human health, agriculture and marine environment;
e. Replace CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances, consistent with the Montreal Protocol, recognizing that a replacement's suitability should be evaluated holistically and not simply based on its contribution to solving one atmospheric or environmental problem

Can you identify, from any of these listed activities from Agenda 21, anything involving aircraft and supposed chemtrails?

Yes. Section C.

Okay. Specifically, what do you read in this section:

c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;

that leads you to believe aircraft and chemtrails are being used to counter ozone depletion of the atmosphere?

That's not the correct section C. PREVENTING STRATOSPHERIC OZONE DEPLETION This is.oi44.tinypic.com...

reply to post by Mikeultra


Exactly though. You can't prove that they are talking about actually doing anything. You have to adjust what it says to fit your beliefs. It doesn't prove anything.

reply to post by smurfy


Because the thread is posted on an open forum.

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Okay. Excellent. Since you have it saved and I have it saved, then what chapter would you care to discuss as it relates to the topic of chemtrails and weather modification?

Section II
Chapter 9
Program Area C
Preventing Stratospheric Ozone Depletion
Objectives
b. To develop strategies aimed at mitigating the adverse effects of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface as a consequence of depletion and modification of the stratospheric ozone layer.
habitat.igc.org...

Excellent choice for discussion.

From the same Agenda 21 Section:

Activities

9.24. Governments at the appropriate level, with the cooperation of the relevant United Nations bodies and, as appropriate, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations, and the private sector, should:
a. Ratify, accept or approve the Montreal Protocol and its 1990 amendments; pay their contributions towards the Vienna/Montreal trust funds and the interim multilateral ozone fund promptly; and contribute, as appropriate, towards ongoing efforts under the Montreal Protocol and its implementing mechanisms, including making available substitutes for CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances and facilitating the transfer of the corresponding technologies to developing countries in order to enable them to comply with the obligations of the Protocol;
b. Support further expansion of the Global Ozone Observing System by facilitating - through bilateral and multilateral funding - the establishment and operation of additional systematic observation stations, especially in the tropical belt in the southern hemisphere;
c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;
d. Based on the results of research on the effects of the additional ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface, consider taking appropriate remedial measures in the fields of human health, agriculture and marine environment;
e. Replace CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances, consistent with the Montreal Protocol, recognizing that a replacement's suitability should be evaluated holistically and not simply based on its contribution to solving one atmospheric or environmental problem

Can you identify, from any of these listed activities from Agenda 21, anything involving aircraft and supposed chemtrails?

Yes. Section C.

Okay. Specifically, what do you read in this section:

c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;

that leads you to believe aircraft and chemtrails are being used to counter ozone depletion of the atmosphere?

That's not the correct section C. PREVENTING STRATOSPHERIC OZONE DEPLETION This is.oi44.tinypic.com...

edit on 10-10-2013 by Mikeultra because: Title of Section C

Okay. I understand.

First, your link provided highlights SECTION B.

The SECTION B you referenced is located in the portion labeled, "OBJECTIVES." Specifically, objectives are what a policy/procedure/agenda is TRYING to achieve. And, it states clearly:

b. To develop strategies (emphasis mine) aimed at mitigating the adverse effects of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface as a consequence of depletion and modification of the stratospheric ozone layer.

Now, what are those STRATEGIES? Read further:

Immediately after the, "OBJECTIVES," section, you will find a section labeled, "ACTIVITIES." This section SPECIFICALLY LISTS the ACTIVITIES/STRATEGIES that WILL BE PERFORMED in order to achieve the OBJECTIVES.

Do you understand?

Zaphod58
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Exactly though. You can't prove that they are talking about actually doing anything. You have to adjust what it says to fit your beliefs. It doesn't prove anything.

Nor have you proved that chem-trails don't exist.

reply to post by Mikeultra


No, but unlike with chemtrails I can post studies, and real physical evidence that contrails persist, why aluminum can't be run through engines, that the sprayer plane people pointed out isn't a sprayer plane.... I have actual evidence on my side. Most chemtrail debate comes down to "I think they're spraying" or "Look up and SEE the difference for yourself!"

reply to post by Mikeultra


The ultimate fallback position. The demand to prove a negative.

I can't prove unicorns don't exist so that means they do. There are books about them, right?

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey

Mikeultra

totallackey
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Okay. Excellent. Since you have it saved and I have it saved, then what chapter would you care to discuss as it relates to the topic of chemtrails and weather modification?

Section II
Chapter 9
Program Area C
Preventing Stratospheric Ozone Depletion
Objectives
b. To develop strategies aimed at mitigating the adverse effects of ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface as a consequence of depletion and modification of the stratospheric ozone layer.
habitat.igc.org...

Excellent choice for discussion.

From the same Agenda 21 Section:

Activities

9.24. Governments at the appropriate level, with the cooperation of the relevant United Nations bodies and, as appropriate, intergovernmental and non-governmental organizations, and the private sector, should:
a. Ratify, accept or approve the Montreal Protocol and its 1990 amendments; pay their contributions towards the Vienna/Montreal trust funds and the interim multilateral ozone fund promptly; and contribute, as appropriate, towards ongoing efforts under the Montreal Protocol and its implementing mechanisms, including making available substitutes for CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances and facilitating the transfer of the corresponding technologies to developing countries in order to enable them to comply with the obligations of the Protocol;
b. Support further expansion of the Global Ozone Observing System by facilitating - through bilateral and multilateral funding - the establishment and operation of additional systematic observation stations, especially in the tropical belt in the southern hemisphere;
c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;
d. Based on the results of research on the effects of the additional ultraviolet radiation reaching the Earth's surface, consider taking appropriate remedial measures in the fields of human health, agriculture and marine environment;
e. Replace CFCs and other ozone-depleting substances, consistent with the Montreal Protocol, recognizing that a replacement's suitability should be evaluated holistically and not simply based on its contribution to solving one atmospheric or environmental problem

Can you identify, from any of these listed activities from Agenda 21, anything involving aircraft and supposed chemtrails?

Yes. Section C.

Okay. Specifically, what do you read in this section:

c. Participate actively in the continuous assessment of scientific information and the health and environmental effects, as well as of the technological/economic implications of stratospheric ozone depletion; and consider further actions that prove warranted and feasible on the basis of these assessments;

that leads you to believe aircraft and chemtrails are being used to counter ozone depletion of the atmosphere?

That's not the correct section C. PREVENTING STRATOSPHERIC OZONE DEPLETION This is.oi44.tinypic.com...

edit on 10-10-2013 by Mikeultra because: Title of Section C

Okay. I understand.

The Section C you referenced is located in the portion labeled, "OBJECTIVES." Specifically, objectives are what a policy/procedure/agenda is TRYING to achieve.

Immediately after the, "OBJECTIVES," section, you will find a section labeled, "ACTIVITIES." This section SPECIFICALLY LISTS the activities that WILL BE PERFORMED in order to achieve the objectives.

Do you understand?

Yes, I think I do. Activities are what they are willing to admit to doing. Objectives have to remain in more murky wording. You need to read between the lines, it's a talent I have gotten better at as the world has approached the edge of the abyss. Kind of like 3-D glasses.

Phage
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

The ultimate fallback position. The demand to prove a negative.

I can't prove unicorns don't exist so that means they do. There are books about them, right?

edit on 10/10/2013 by Phage because: (no reason given)

I have a photo of the Jersey Devil.

reply to post by Mikeultra


Unless you're in a philosophy class that argument has not bearing here.
The people who are stating the thesis here are the people rallying for the existence of Chemtrails, as such your thesis needs support. Of which, the party has posted none that has been peer reviewed. If you have no valid sources, you have no valid argument.

Shugo
reply to post by Mikeultra

 

Unless you're in a philosophy class that argument has not bearing here.
The people who are stating the thesis here are the people rallying for the existence of Chemtrails, as such your thesis needs support. Of which, the party has posted none that has been peer reviewed. If you have no valid sources, you have no valid argument.

What party?

reply to post by Mikeultra

Sure you do.
But that doesn't have anything to do with my point or yours about proving a negative.

If you could explain what it is about "chemtrails" that precludes them being contrails you might actually have something. But you haven't managed to do that. If you could provide a reason that "chemtrails" would resemble contrails it would help your case. But you haven't done that.

reply to post by Mikeultra


You can "prove" anything then, just say "I read between the lines". Even if the document doesn't say what you claim, you can make it say what you want just by throwing that sentence out there.

reply to post by tsurfer2000h


Its called Preventative Maintenance. Most airlines DO follow this process. Otherwise hence, they # fall out of the sky.

reply to post by InCeNdIaDrAcOnIs


And they're not going to run aluminum and other metals through the engines that are going to drastically reduce the life of those engines, even with doing preventative maintenance.