Breaking:Russia Today News Declares 9/11 An Inside Job False Flag Attack. ATS:Time to move it!!!

reply to post by Merinda


Truthers always like this argument "no other steel tall building has ever collapsed due to office fires"

And they are right

Just a petty the argument is inherently flawed as it ignore so many crucial details such as the weaknesses in the design of the building, the fact that these fired burned uncontrolled with no attempt made to extinguish them for hours and the structural damage to the building for example

Now if truthers could show me a a copy of WTC-7 and i mean a exact copy down to the last bolt and let it burn uncontrolled for hours on end with the same structural damage with no attempt to extinguish the fires then they would have a fair comparison.

Comparing WTC-7 to a building in burning in China is like comparing it to a house made of straw.

I do not accept the fact that no other building has collapsed due to fires as a valid reason to think it was a deliberate demolition.

reply to post by ipsedixit

These theories originated in the ME.

reply to post by GoKill


What a breath of fresh air in a world of pollution

aka

truth

Dark Ghost
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

If you take a strictly objective look at the events of 9/11 and examine them with a critical mind, it is clear to see that the Official Story does not add up. It is scary to think that a conspiracy of such magnitude could take place and lead to so much chaos and destruction, but that is the reality of the times in which we now live.

There is no official story, only what happened. Those who believe there is a conspiracy have made the events of that day known as the OS. Looking at anything with a critical mind is smart. An objective view as not to dismiss something before you are certain of the truth of what occurs.

The problem is that with conspiracy and one such as the WTC, you take one fact, disregard 100's of others, and focus on the one that 'fits' your idea or thought. The power of suggestion. The human mind is very easy to manipulate when trying to find or concentrate on one thing and not the broad spectrum. If you leave out key pieces, when you getting deep into discussion you can only go back to that one thing and it falls apart.

1. There is TONS of steel from the WTC still around and some rusting in fields throughout the US. There are also memorials just sitting and waiting for display.
2. Where is ANY evidence of explosives?
3. The WTC was a refurbed building built on top of another building that would never pass code inspection now and probably was greased to pass then.
4. Two planes HIT those buildings going over 500 mph. If the buildings we not so large they would have collapsed on impact or been cut in half. The fact that they stood so long is a testament of the design.
5. The US knew an attack was coming but that does not mean they were implicit in the planning and execution. Could rogue elements have withheld information. Just look at Major Assad and we know that they are out there. Sympathizers. In the end though it seems like just poor intel and agency infighting which is what brought DHS to light.

Now, can I take those 5 statement and twist them and make them fit the opposite argument, sure, and that is what occurs.

Watch as I switch gears.....

1. Where is the tons of steel and why is it not being tested by the government!!!
2. There are no explosive residue because it was all cleaned up and shipped to China to build ships.
3. The WTC 7 had little damage and never should have fallen!!!!
4. Two planes HIT those buildings going over 500 mph. They were designed to withstand that hit!!!!
5. The US knew an attack was coming and DID nothing!!!! They pulled it off....

I think there are other cover ups from that day and the days following but the WTC was exactly what it was folks. A tragedy. The entire WTC argument is created to keep us from not looking further into 93. 93 got public heroes we could all relate to and a battle cry. It made the mind think there is nothing there. With the WTC, well, look at the 1-5 statements above at how easy it is.

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Like throwing oil on fire?

You can throw all the jet fuel and oil you want to at a fire in WTC7, and it STILL is not going to just conveniently collapse down into its own footprint- unless there are explosives involved. That's physically impossible. The experts say it, and I'll say it. Cause it's true.

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the more telling piece of evidence is that the fires were under control by the time they reached them.
So if that's true why did the buildings come down? I mean we do believe our hero's that day right?
We also had people alive at the impact area if the fire were so horrendous to bring down a building how did anyone survive the impact?

8:46:30[10] Flight 11 crashes at roughly 466 mph (790 km/h or 219m/s or 425 knots) into the north face of the North Tower

9:03:02: Flight 175 crashes at about 590 mph (950 km/h, 264 m/s or 513 knots) into the south face of the South Tower

Another thing that always bothered me was the south tower was hit after the north but collapsed first if the case is that fires brought them down shouldn't the towers collapse in order? If the fires were so hot and the jet fuel caused so much damage to collapse the towers the fires should have been hotter and burned longer in the north tower causing it to go first?

9:58:59:[10] The South Tower of the World Trade Center collapses, 56 minutes after the impact of Flight 175

10:28:22:[10] The North Tower of the World Trade Center collapses.

the evidence is overwhelming of bombs being in the building that day

just to show how shameful the media is check out this video unbelievable! "We ask you take your calls somewhere else"

Being presented with the facts behind 9/11 is a disturbing proposition as official integrity is put into question. I know people can lie while buildings cannot. The full official story does fall apart under investigation, I wish it did not but I am not going to sacrifice my reason just because it is uncomfortable. It is the reality of the situation.

With the US sizing up for another fight, Russia is trying to understand what is going on.

The clean up made now since to me as well. You figure after the builds came down there would be a lot more people told to look in to why it fell and why the fire and other safety systems failed, and if you couldn't figure out why. You would think we'd see some kind of major innovations in building and safety designs.

It happens with other disasters but not with this one. We got it fell and the reason they think it did. But no improvements, kind of odd.

Be-careful ATS members that we conspiracy theorist do not become the useful idiots.
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September 11, 2001 was directly rooted in a joint Soviet/Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) operation conceived in the aftermath of the 1967 Six-Day Arab-Israeli War. The object of this joint operation was to repair Moscow's prestige by turning the Islamic world against Israel and by creating a rabid and violent hatred for its main supporter, the United States. The strategy was to portray the US, this land of freedom, as a Nazi-style "imperial-Zionist country" financed by Jewish money and run by a rapacious "Council of the Elders of Zion" (the Kremlin's epithet for the US Congress), the aim of which was allegedly to transform the rest of the world into a Jewish fiefdom. In other words, the heart of the joint plan was to convert the historical Arab and Islamic hatred of the Jews into a new hatred of the United States. We threw many millions of dollars at this gigantic task, which involved whole armies of intelligence officers.

- Ion Mihai Pacepa, former acting chief of Communist Romania’s espionage service, From Russia With Terror, FrontPage Magazine, 3/1/04

Mohammed Atta, the pilot of the first plane to crash into the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001, had met with a senior Iraqi intelligence agent in Prague, Czech Republic, five months before the attack. But Iraqi intelligence was just a client of Russia's intelligence service. It brings a new understanding to the fact that President Putin was the first foreign President to call President Bush on 9/11. One may conjecture that he knew in advance what was to happen.

- Konstantin Preobrazhensky, former Lt. Colonel in the KGB who defected to the United States in 1993, "Russia and Islam are not Separate: Why Russia backs Al-Qaeda"

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"The KGB was engaged in terrorism for many years, and mass terrorism. At the special department of the KGB they trained terrorists from practically every country in the world. These courses lasted, as a rule, for a half-year. Specially trained and prepared agents of the KGB organized murders and explosions, including explosions of tankers, the hijacking of passenger airliners, strikes on diplomatic, state and commercial organizations worldwide."

- Assassinated FSB defector Alexander Litvinenko (Jeff Nyquist's "Is Al Qaeda a Kremlin Proxy?", 8/13/05)

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The right hand of bin Laden, the Number Two in 'Al-Qaeda', was trained at the secret base of the Russian secret services on Caucasus, the former Lieutenant Colonel of the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) Alexander Litvinenko told the Polish Rzeczpospolita newspaper.

- Assassinated FSB defector Alexander Litvinenko (Russian Secret Services' Links With Al-Qaeda, 7/18/95, AxisGlobe.com)

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In the Mideast, one of the KGB's star recruits was Wadi Haddad, the deputy leader and head of foreign operations of the Marxist-Leninist Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP). In 1970, the KGB made him an agent, according to files delivered to British intelligence by Vasili Mitrokhin, a former KGB archivist who defected to the U.K. in 1992. The most dramatic terrorist strike organized by Haddad was the Sept. 6, 1970 attack on four airliners bound for New York. The hijacking attempt on an El Al Boeing 707 departing from Tel Aviv failed after one of the two terrorists was shot by an air marshal. The other three airlines were successfully diverted to other landing strips by the hijackers. The passengers and crew of a Pan Am Boeing 747 were evacuated and the plane was blown up; in the other two cases, the terrorists negotiated prisoner swaps. (Those were more innocent pre-9/11 times.) Thanks to the Mitrokhin files, we know that the KGB provided arms to Haddad, and it is a fair assumption that his handlers were aware of his plans.

- Boris Volodarsky, Terror's KGB Roots, 11/23/07, WSJ

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let's everybody here in the U.S. take a deep breath....do Americans really want a revolution?...another Libya?, Egypt?, Tunisia? Iraq? Syria?....outside entities are stoking the fires for a bloody American revolution. do we need some reform? yes, of course...but, it doesn't need to turn into a an armed civil war. we are stronger than this, we have the tools to affect change, without resorting to the gleeful expectations of our enemies, who are sowing the seeds of paranoia and fear. I too, have serious questions regarding 9/11 and the official story, but it shouldn't be used to destroy America.

Wow that was informative! I cannot beleive it took 12 years for SOMEONE to get this in the Mainstream.

It sickens me that WE the "conspiracy theorists" are so looked down upon throughout the past 12 years - and now here the truth hangs out in the publics view.

People will do ANYTHING in their psyche to push the truth away; to beleive the truth, that 9/11 was an inside job, and Bush/Chaney were involved (wtf is Bush doing in an elementary school, trying to look all innocent?) in this massive-traumatic attack on the people of New York.

People do not want to beleive that the very system they work for, the very government that controls how their nation is operated - was the cause of their losses and traumatic memories of that day.

But what is more important; ignoring the truth, ignoring the research and years of compiled information just so you can feel better another day..
Or taking the truth for what it is, and facing that the ones governing over your nations - the ones fund tall skyscrapers and pass bills, and make laws.. Are the very ones who are out to control and attack you.

I'll take the latter anyday, because truth, is TRUTH. Its the only REAL faucet in the reality - blind faith and ignorance is a disgusting and pathetic trait in the mammalistc psyche - we are NOT animals, we are human beings of Earth.

Lets start acting like it; and to do so, lets face the truth and take it for it IS.

Deny ignorance

Ps: This release of 9/11 information in the mainstream media, the day before 9/11/2013 - could be the tension breaker for WW3. Lets see how it folds out - the only people who can stop this war, is the American populations - but they are afraid of the truth, so we will see..

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reply to post by Senduko

 

So, Syria finally admits to the who thing, huh.

The US was right after all right from the start of the Gulf War.

What about the claims that the rebels were the ones who used chemical weapons?

What about the claims that US leaders and media were lying and using fake photos and stuff to spend billions for another war?

ATS should shove those threads in the HOAX bins and ban their sources.

same old same old

Lets not forget the absence of any fighters in the air after the first hit, not even a army chopper with missiles to take out another flying bomb.

Nope, nothing for.... actually they never turned up, good job theres wasnt any more eh?

reply to post by GoKill


311 flags now. What a intell delivery! Is it going to change anything? Doubtful.

OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Merinda

 

Now if truthers could show me a a copy of WTC-7 and i mean a exact copy down to the last bolt and let it burn uncontrolled for hours on end with the same structural damage with no attempt to extinguish the fires then they would have a fair comparison.

I think your thread on this subject was very informative, and I think most of your posts are very thought provoking, but this statement is unreasonable.

Using this logic, we would not be able to make comparisons about anything.

Investigating a car crash? Well we can't compare it to any other crash because the car and the driver are unique.

And if this is your standard, how are you so sure of your theory of what happened to tower 7? Aren't all of your facts based off of physics that have been found by testing other buildings?

antar
reply to post by GoKill

 

311 flags now. What a intell delivery! Is it going to change anything? Doubtful.

Nor should it change anything. This is still what it has been for 12 years ... a theory. RT yapping their lips doesnt change that.

Every event in history can be spun into a conspiracy.
But that doesn't mean it was a conspiracy.

Most conspiracies involve ignoring true facts in favor of made up facts.

The term conspiracy requires more than one person to be involved.
Ask yourself how many different people would be required to pull off 911. You have to include every aspect of all the events.

If you believe the buildings were wired to blow up. You have to have people to install the explosives. But it goes beyond those people.
Someone has to arrange the cover for the installers.
Someone(s) have to ingor the installers.
Someone has to provide the special clothing.
Someone has to provide the explosives.
Some company has to supply the huge amount of explosives to the person above.
Someone has to push the button.
Someone has to pay all the above and cook the books to hide all traces.

Follow this line with each additional 'anomaly' you claim for this conspiracy.

Finally the silence of the media.
How many people does it take to silence every aspect of the worlds media?
How many reporters were silenced? Print and TV?

And yet not one of them have come to ATS!
How do you silence thousands of people?
How big is this organization that does the silencing?
Why couldn't this organization silence . .
Bradly Manning
Edward Snowden
Julian Assange

The total number of people who had roles in the conspiracy or roles in the continuing coverup must be truely staggering.
And yet no one talked. Neither did their spouses.

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"[Bankers and hedge fund managers] willing to blow themselves up, for a quick buck" - best line.

its the sad truth, yes everything is going down hill but while im making a profit - im okay.

wheres the roll eyes icon?

reply to post by GoKill


Yup, we can all believe it's an inside job now because such an open, honest nation like Russia says so! Since WW2 they have had nothing but the highest regard for the people of the United States!
I tell you what, all you treasonous people that think Russia is 'our' friend why not all get together and all move over there?
They sure wouldn't have any trouble controlling a group of weak followers that believes all this crap they have spewed out!