All Tribes Of Israel WAKE UP in the name of Jesus Christ!!!!

Originally posted by LittleByLittle

Originally posted by Rex282

No one can choose to be saved.God does all the choosing all the seeking and all the finding.God is 100% sovereign and in control of it ALL.Man has ZERO to do with his salvation it is ALL given.There is no room at all to boast or do anything to receive it..It is God that is doing ALL the saving from the beginning until the end...No man can change himself.No one can lift themselves up by their own shoelaces.

edit on 15-8-2013 by Rex282 because: (no reason given)

In a way I do not agree since there is a symbiosis going on between the soul and god also, where the soul learns/evolve and become something that will be saves by god since it has proven it should be saved. You can go the narrow path and empty the cup so that it can be filled.

. It might be god who is preparing the road for the soul but it is the soul who walks it and reaches a point where both can find an understanding of each other and reach symbiosis/oneness.

But other than that a nice post.

Thanks for reading LBL

The point is.God is the ONLY sovereign.God is doing it all.It could be no other way or he is not God.Yes we make billions of choices yet none of them are free of causation.Yes we walk down the paths but our footsteps are being guided.No one "chooses" the narrow path on their own.It isn't a choosing thing.Salvation is not a choice or an event it is a process that creator God is doing or will do to everyone.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Yahoshua in Hebrew is יהושע.That was ,is,will forever be his name/nature.Yahweh IS salvation.I have never and will never and am not capable of compeling anyone to know the name of Yahoshua.Only the father can reveal it's nature.You are full of guile and poor semantics.Arguing over interpretions of words and meanings you know nothing about.

reply to post by Rex282


The book of Revelation is a book that only Gods elect can discern, so if it hard for you to understand, please don't try to discourage others for doing so and the 144,000 will have Israelite blood in them but not completely and that DNA can again be awaken by prayer and by the will of God, and they have been scattered all over the world but only those who have accepted Jesus will be marked with the seal as their will be plenty more people with Jewish blood who will not receive a seal because they refuse to accept Jesus in their life and do what he asked, so they will not become his first fruits and he will cut them off just as many Israelites where cut off in the wilderness.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Your theology needs to match the Word. God does draw all men, but you downplay the sovereignty of man which He created us with.

Taking your own advice about conforming theory with the Bible, where do you find this bit about "the sovereignty of man"?
Isn't there this problem with original sin where "man" through Adam and Eve relinquished their sovereignty to Satan?
Or is that just obsolete in your religion which is so brand new?

I didn't mean sovereignty over the Earth, but sovereignty over the direction of their individual life via millions of free will thoughts and choices.

Originally posted by Rex282

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by Rex282

 

No one can choose to be saved.God does all the choosing all the seeking and all the finding.God is 100% sovereign and in control of it ALL.Man has ZERO to do with his salvation it is ALL given.

That's not Biblical. Now it is true that He draws all men to Christ, it's also true that He created man sovereign with free will and will not force anyone to convert. The Bible says it's God's will that none are lost and all men come to repent and accept the gospel, yet Jesus said most will reject it. If it was all God then, and since it's also His will that none are lost there would be none lost.

Your theology needs to match the Word. God does draw all men, but you downplay the sovereignty of man which He created us with.

Man is not soveriegn only God is.Man does not have a will free of causation.Every effect has a cause.Man can choose and makes billions of choices yet none of them are free of causation.Belief in the sovereignty of man is the epitome of rebellion and delusion.It is believing "I" will be like the most high God.It is not scriptural and it is devoid of any semblance of reality.

So I guess God is impotent to accomplish His will? Or do you believe every person ever born will go to heaven?

reply to post by Rex282

Yahoshua in Hebrew is יהושע. That was ,is,will forever be his name/nature.Yahweh IS salvation.

The name for the person normally thought of as Joshua in the English speaking world is found in three forms in the Hebrew, one of which can be pronounced the way you are writing it in your posts. It seems that the name was standardized in the post exile period as the shorter version, Jeshua, for example in Nehemiah 8:17

The whole company that had returned from exile built temporary shelters and lived in them. From the days of Joshua son of Nun until that day, the Israelites had not celebrated it like this. And their joy was very great.

where his name in Hebrew is the shorter version, which is the version that was translated into the Greek in the Septuagint version of the earlier historical books like Joshua.
Jesus lived in a part of the world that had been Hellenized since the time of Alexander the Great, where Greek was the lingua franca, and it was normal for Jews to be named with the Greek versions of old Testament characters that they saw in the Septuagint. So Jesus would have meant savior at the time when Jesus was called by that name, and not what the word origin may have originally come from at the time of the writing of the Torah, where it was probably a contraction of the words that make up a phrase, saved by YHWH.

I have never and will never and am not capable of compelling anyone to know the name of Yahoshua.

You are claiming the validity of the theory in an authoritative way as if you were the prophet of God, correcting the errors of the people of their pagan ways.

Only the father can reveal it's nature.You are full of guile and poor semantics.

We have what is considered the word of God to Christians, the New Testament, which gives the name of Jesus as Jesus, meaning savior.

Arguing over interpretations of words and meanings you know nothing about.

There isn't any argument from your side, just a statement of a cult slogan.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I didn't mean sovereignty over the Earth, but sovereignty over the direction of their individual life via millions of free will thoughts and choices.

So where does it say that mankind retained that type "sovereignty" despite the loss of it otherwise?
If that was true, then what would be the reason for divine intervention including the death of Jesus on the cross?

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
Start spreading the gospel, for I promise this generation will not pass away until all things are fulfilled,

Hmm, Where have I heard that before? Oh Yeah!

Matthew 16
27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

John didn't taste death before he saw Jesus coming in His kingdom. That was fulfilled when John was on Patmos.

Not so fast!

John 18
36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Jesus didn't consider this place his kingdom, so your explanation doesn't make any sense.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1

John 18
36 Jesus said, "My kingdom is not of this world. If it were, my servants would fight to prevent my arrest by the Jewish leaders. But now my kingdom is from another place."

Jesus didn't consider this place his kingdom, so your explanation doesn't make any sense.

You see a juxtaposition between "out of this world" and "from another place".

So Jesus is saying that his kingdom is not derived from this world, but from Heaven.
The word translated "of" is the Greek preposition, ek, which means "coming out of".

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I didn't mean sovereignty over the Earth, but sovereignty over the direction of their individual life via millions of free will thoughts and choices.

So where does it say that mankind retained that type "sovereignty" despite the loss of it otherwise?
If that was true, then what would be the reason for divine intervention including the death of Jesus on the cross?

Unless you or any of us are robots, then my point remains. We were created with the free will to make our own choices, that's why we are responsible for them.

And Jesus demonstrated His own will by faithfully going to the cross. He said if He wanted to He could call twelve legions of angels to protect Him when He was arrested just prior to the kangaroo court in the Sanhedrin.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


Doesn't matter, John still saw it before he died. He was given a vision where he stood in the throne room of heaven.

God knows the future, He shares with His prophets. God once again, will bring a great good out of evil. In the name of Jesus Christ,, alleluia!!! Remember part of the 3rd Secret of Fatima..."the bishop dressed in white" will fall. The Pope is the bishop of Rome.

These are the end times, pray, pray, pray.

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an excerpt...


2. Seeing the Future of Israel

June 7, 2011

Jesus:

....The Pope will enter Jerusalem like I entered it. The city will already have suffered much and Israel will begin to despair, wondering what can be done. Then this figure clothed in white will come, sent by the Father just as He sent me. He will come to save Israel, just as I came. He, too will die in Jerusalem but his death will have a profound effect upon the whole world. For the whole world will weep at his death and his death will bless Israel. Why do I reveal these things now? Why do I bring you to the center of the mystery so quickly? Because the time is short. The events are near. They are not far away.

Comment: Jesus describes what has happened since the State of Israel was formed and why it is now prey to so many enemies. Most important, the Holy Father goes to Jerusalem, dies there, and a series of events begin that save Israel.

www.locutions.org...

reply to post by NOTurTypical

We were created with the free will to make our own choices, that's why we are responsible for them.

I already pretty much conceded that Adam and Eve were created with free will.
The point is, once they sinned, they could not choose to live in the garden.
Jesus was chosen and anointed as Messiah and given an indwelling of God's spirit to fulfill his mission on Earth.
Jesus was not just naturally on his own in the human state capable of choosing anything other than what anyone else had available to them.
We have a limited range of choices we can make, which is far from the idea of "free will".
Our freedom is something that we can find in Christ, with is a freedom from being dragged down with the cares of the world, including our decision making.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Doesn't matter, John still saw it before he died. He was given a vision where he stood in the throne room of heaven.

There isn't anything like that in Revelation.
Sorry.
I think you are getting caught up in YouTube video preacher rhetoric.
According to Luke, which was written after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple, that was the sign of "the Son of Man" coming into his kingdom.
You have been caught up in the Futurist's attempt at justifying their theories by misinterpreting scripture.

reply to post by jmdewey60


Okay, we'll then back to my original challenge of the statement that the other member made that God is completely in charge of saving a person, it's a total work from Him alone. I suppose you're agreeing with that statement since you're upset I challenged it.

So let me ask you the same thing;

Jesus said it was not the Father's will for any person to be lost, and He also said that the way to Hell was broad and many people are on that path. So is God impotent to see His will to fruition or are you a Universalist? Well, I suppose there are two more options, Jesus was crazy or lying. So which is it? Is salvation a total and complete work of God independent of any part by man, or not? If not, God must be impotent or universalism is true doctrine.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Doesn't matter, John still saw it before he died. He was given a vision where he stood in the throne room of heaven.

There isn't anything like that in Revelation.
Sorry.
I think you are getting caught up in YouTube video preacher rhetoric.
According to Luke, which was written after the destruction of the Jerusalem temple, that was the sign of "the Son of Man" coming into his kingdom.
You have been caught up in the Futurist's attempt at justifying their theories by misinterpreting scripture.

He saw Jesus being handed the 7-sealed scroll and the 24 elders seated around the throne.

Do you want scripture references?

reply to post by NOTurTypical


It does matter. John was still on Earth when he had his vision, Jesus said people would see him coming in his kingdom which did not include Earth, so John's vision on Earth has nothing to do with what Jesus said.

Originally posted by bloodreviara
Every single generation thinks they live in the end times, that's actually
a fact by the way, religion is such a waste of someones life, its immoral,
its obviously a brain washing tool, i cannot fathom going through life
always believing in my life time the world will end.......

Its almost like religious folks just need something to worry about.
an entire life driven by fear..... so strange.

Everything that has a beginning has an end..

reply to post by NOTurTypical

I suppose you're agreeing with that statement since you're upset I challenged it.

Your'e assuming a lot of nonexistent stuff.
I don't agree with what Rex said and I'm not upset.
I was applying the standard you put on Rex, on you, to have your theory conform to the Bible.
I don't think yours does.

So let me ask you the same thing;

All that stuff is meaningless to me.
What I was questioning was your invention of the term, "human sovereignty".

reply to post by NOTurTypical

He saw Jesus being handed the 7-sealed scroll and the 24 elders seated around the throne.

That's nuts!
For one thing, it does not mention Jesus, but a seven eyed ram who could somehow hold a scroll in his hand(?).
That is hardly the "Son of Man coming into his kingdom".

Do you want scripture references?

No.