All Tribes Of Israel WAKE UP in the name of Jesus Christ!!!!

reply to post by 2WitnessesArrived


The tribe of Dan shall be diminished.....I prey the next one is better,

reply to post by Rex282

Originally posted by Rex282
Man is not soveriegn only God is.Man does not have a will free of causation.Every effect has a cause.Man can choose and makes billions of choices yet none of them are free of causation.

With this logic, God is not "sovereign" either, because the only action he every took without causation was the creation of the universe. Every other interaction within the universe depended on what was happening within it.

Originally posted by Rex282
Belief in the sovereignty of man is the epitome of rebellion and delusion.

Freedom is not "rebellion" or "delusion". Even the bible admits freedom exists.

"The Truth Shall Set You Free"

but is is obvious that Jesus is NOT the truth because he is a "Lord" and a Lord is a master or a ruler.

Originally posted by Rex282
It is believing "I" will be like the most high God.It is not scriptural and it is devoid of any semblance of reality.

Everyone sees reality with an opinion, belief, or intention - even the so-called "God", so reality is dependent on however one chooses to see it.

If you want to believe that a God of some book is "best" then you will never be the "most high", you will be limiting yourself.

Anyone who feels free from the enslavement of another is "most high" because they do not feel like they are put "down" by another.

Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

It does matter. John was still on Earth when he had his vision, Jesus said people would see him coming in his kingdom which did not include Earth, so John's vision on Earth has nothing to do with what Jesus said.

I never said he left Earth for his vision. Jesus said one of them standing would "see" it, He never said one of them would break the fabric to time and space and be present when it happened. Jesus said it would be seen, which it clearly was.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

I suppose you're agreeing with that statement since you're upset I challenged it.

Your'e assuming a lot of nonexistent stuff.
I don't agree with what Rex said and I'm not upset.
I was applying the standard you put on Rex, on you, to have your theory conform to the Bible.
I don't think yours does.

So let me ask you the same thing;

All that stuff is meaningless to me.
What I was questioning was your invention of the term, "human sovereignty".

edit on 16-8-2013 by jmdewey60 because: (no reason given)

Haha!

I didn't invent the term. One of the definitions of "sovereign" is:

"free from external control".

Humans are not puppets or robots.

reply to post by Rex282

Simply stated ...The Gospel is this.Yahoshua is ......God is salvation..the savior of ALL mankind.

Simple stated, the Gospel is this.

1 Cor 15:47 The first man was of the earth, made of dust; the second Man is the Lord from heaven.

As for the name of Yahshuweh, you should read that name in the ancient Chaldean ideogram language Abraham would have known. Wouldn't be any mistaking who "The Lifted High" is.

I get so tired of coming on here and seeing some fool, who has refused to take him medication

reply to post by VeniVidi


You are out of line...you need to read.SHATTERING THE STIGMA its a thread by the mod Hefficide. It will help you with your attitude and such...If anyone could help posting a link to that thread I would appreciate it...Its another thing I need to learn how to do...thanks

Originally posted by shells4u

I get so tired of coming on here and seeing some fool, who has refused to take him medication

reply to post by VeniVidi

 

You are out of line...you need to read.SHATTERING THE STIGMA its a thread by the mod Hefficide. It will help you with your attitude and such...If anyone could help posting a link to that thread I would appreciate it...Its another thing I need to learn how to do...thanks

Copy the URL, at the top of the page when you reply to a post you'll see "link" and a bunch of other tabs. Hit "link" and in the first box leave it empty unless you want to name the thread you're linking, hit "enter" or "ok" or whatever and then paste the URL you copied and hit "enter" again.

reply to post by NOTurTypical

Haha!

I didn't invent the term. One of the definitions of "sovereign" is:

"free from external control".

Humans are not puppets or robots.

I think you have a godless religion based on a satanic type belief in doing what you want.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Haha!

I didn't invent the term. One of the definitions of "sovereign" is:

"free from external control".

Humans are not puppets or robots.

I think you have a godless religion based on a satanic type belief in doing what you want.

And I think that is a non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy. I don't really blame you, that's a very common reaction when a person cannot break an argument.

Sorry, I'm certain that neither is God impotent, nor does He control us externally. He created us free to chose and holds us accountable for the choices we make. Some of those choices have eternal consequences.

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Excellent suggestion.

Here it is: Shattering the Stigma

reply to post by NOTurTypical

And I think that is a non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy.

I'm just stunned!

It's funny how people get awakened by Jesus. They know absolutely nothing about spirituality or religion and the next day they wake up proclaiming the name of Jesus to the world, and every sentence they speak it's all about Jesus. I am fine with that but they look so foolish and stupid to not study history and not study reality, to gain absolutely no knowledge over the subject, and then proclaim to the world like they are experts because they are saved. Really they are walking contradictions who are bringing the world down to selfish reasons.

Originally posted by jmdewey60
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

And I think that is a non sequitur and ad hominem fallacy.

I'm just stunned!

Anything else to add? At this point you're just trolling.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by windword

Originally posted by 2WitnessesArrived
Start spreading the gospel, for I promise this generation will not pass away until all things are fulfilled,

Hmm, Where have I heard that before? Oh Yeah!

Matthew 16
27 For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and then He will reward each according to his works. 28 “Assuredly, I say to you, there are some standing here who shall not taste death till they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.”

John didn't taste death before he saw Jesus coming in His kingdom. That was fulfilled when John was on Patmos.

Not good enough! One man's vision isn't a reality of the "Son of Man coming in his kingdom"!

Besides, we're not sure that John the Apostle is same John as John of Patmos.

Some modern scholars have raised the possibility that John the Apostle, John the Evangelist, and John of Patmos were three separate individuals.[3] Certain lines of evidence suggest that John of Patmos wrote Revelation but neither the Gospel of John nor the Epistles of John. For one, the author of Revelation identifies himself as "John" several times, but the author of the Gospel of John never identifies himself directly. Some Catholic scholars state that "vocabulary, grammar, and style make it doubtful that the book could have been put into its present form by the same person(s) responsible for the fourth gospel"

en.wikipedia.org...

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Not good enough! One man's vision isn't a reality of the "Son of Man coming in his kingdom"!

That's terrible hermaneutics. Jesus didn't say He would establish His Earthly kingdom before one of those standing died. Jesus said one of them would "see" it. And that was fulfilled when John saw it in a vision. That's a precise fulfillment. You can't leave out that key word in what Jesus said.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


I find it strange that you ignore Jesus' warnings. At the very beginning of Revelation, John says this:

Revelation 1
3 Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near.

John claims to be speaking for Jesus throughout this whole book.

Revelation 2
2 “To the angel of the church in Ephesus write:

These are the words of him who holds the seven stars in his right hand and walks among the seven golden lampstands.

What did Jesus say about things like this?

Luke 21
8 He replied: "Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am he,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them.

How do you know whoever wrote John isn't deceiving you with this "prophecy"? As far as I can tell, Revelation fits Jesus' warning to the tee.

reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1


If you consider that the vision was in the future then at what point in time he was witnessing it would be "near". It would make no sense to give someone a prophecy to write down that was talking about an event imminently transpiring. And what Jesus is saying is that at the time of the end many will come claiming to be Him. And since ante in the Greek means "in place of" then I think it's safe to assume the Antichrist will claim to be Jesus.

I don't have any issues with what Jesus or John had to say.

Originally posted by colbe

...an excerpt


2. Seeing the Future of Israel

June 7, 2011

Jesus:

....The Pope will enter Jerusalem like I entered it. The city will already have suffered much and Israel will begin to despair, wondering what can be done. Then this figure clothed in white will come, sent by the Father just as He sent me. He will come to save Israel, just as I came. He, too will die in Jerusalem but his death will have a profound effect upon the whole world. For the whole world will weep at his death and his death will bless Israel. Why do I reveal these things now? Why do I bring you to the center of the mystery so quickly? Because the time is short. The events are near. They are not far away.

Comment: Jesus describes what has happened since the State of Israel was formed and why it is now prey to so many enemies. Most important, the Holy Father goes to Jerusalem, dies there, and a series of events begin that save Israel.

www.locutions.org...

Remember part of the Secret of Fatima released? A newer prophecy above, it fits, the "bishop dressed in white" is slain in Jerusalem. Judaism will be so touched by the Pope's death that they will wake up and convert.

reply to post by NOTurTypical


Oh, so that's all Jesus meant, huh? All "those" will not taste death before they see a vision of the "Son of Man coming", on their death beds! So Jesus never meant that he would literally come back, just that the faithful would have visions of him coming in his glory! I see. Good to know!

That still doesn't take care of the fact that scholars don't think the John of Patmos was the same John as John the Apostle.

Prophecy fail!

Originally posted by windword
reply to post by NOTurTypical

 

Oh, so that's all Jesus meant, huh? All "those" will not taste death before they see a vision of the "Son of Man coming", on their death beds! So Jesus never meant that he would literally come back, just that the faithful would have visions of him coming in his glory! I see.

Good to know!

That still doesn't take care of the fact that scholars don't think the John of Patmos was the same John as John the Apostle.

Prophecy fail!

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Jesus is coming in His glory at the Final Judgment ww. Our Lord is NOT returning in His physical person until then. Read the verses surrounding in context. When is the "last trump" blown? When do the dead arise and we are joined with our physical body, at the the Final Judgment.

Our Lord's soon middle is spiritual. The world will be given signs, miracles, we will witness God's Truth during this middle coming, only pride will keep people from believing. There will be no doubt who God is, His great love and mercy to save souls.

Get ready, it is "soon" says Heaven.


God bless you,



colbe