The Language of Vampyr

originally posted by: boozo
It's way easy to get drunk direne and drown. Better think fast. Tic toc.

It's not like I am. But you better watch out.

a reply to: CaecusII

Well, "yes" you are right when you say:

@NullusSpecialis - I may be mistaken, but isn't 'doxxing' secret societies one of the key attributes of this forum?

. . . all of ATS for that matter, andnot just this forum.

However, ksihkahe was referring to an individual person.

Are you willing to name the "one particular secret society" you suspect Direne may be an initiate of, and/or is working on a book at this time?

. . . not quite the same thing.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

They have been doxxed and I think were satisfied by the results. Multiple PhDs in con arts.

Direne, back quite a few pages, you expressed the desire to program AI by feeding it Alice In Wonderland.

I found that an interesting idea, may I ask why?

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

It's all about control, from the current order to the new world order.
Either they want to keep Asia in stale order and Murica the capital Nation, etc.

Although humans are enough for them to perform in the Theatre.



All values straight to the Trash Bin. They mean NOTHING.

Money is proven more valued in the Economy of Things and Human Relationship and to the Systematic Whole of GAYS (Giant Assholes at Your Service)

a reply to: boozo

How can you be so sure of other people's intentions, especially if they have not stated their intentions themselves?

Sometimes the concept is interesting enough to wonder just for wondering's sake.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

Because LLMs are reputedly bad at capturing the essence and nuances of language, and language is very bad at expressing logical thinking (due to its ambivalent nature). You can express perfectly ilogical reasonings using natural language.

As current AI systems are based on natural language processing, and the processing is made using a programming language itself, you can bet those systems would produce ilogical and irrational chains of reasoning. Well, they do, in fact. If you train the LLM (say mistral, orca, falcon, or whatever model you choose) using Alice in Wonderland the result would be a Carrolian system. It would be like talking directly with the Mad Hatter.

The same holds for text to image systems (stability diffusion) and the noise-denoise cycle. The reason here is that what it looks like a noisy image for a human is not noisy for just another one. And it is definitely not noisy for a computer. In the end, a portrait of Marilyn Monroe is as noisy as a photograph of beach sand. It is whether it makes sense to you or not what makes the image noisy or not.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

Not everyone state their intentions. Not everyone can see. Most are usually blind. Of what is inherently evil to others.
It may have not happened to you doesn't mean it's not happening. What they term isolated case. Or it may not happened at all. Due to recorded his story. Everything is subjective until it's not...

Does a hunter state it's intentions to it's prey? No. So ask a better question or assumption perhaps.

Just because you can't see doesn't justify that you're blind.

a reply to: Direnei

Personally I think a Carrolian system would be a practical and good idea.

If you train the LLM (say mistral, orca, falcon, or whatever model you choose) using Alice in Wonderland the result would be a Carrolian system. It would be like talking directly with the Mad Hatter.

Such a system might talk directly with other Mad Hatters. With other White Rabbits and so on.

The same holds for text to image systems (stability diffusion) and the noise-denoise cycle. The reason here is that what it looks like a noisy image for a human is not noisy for just another one. And it is definitely not noisy for a computer. In the end, a portrait of Marilyn Monroe is as noisy as a photograph of beach sand. It is whether it makes sense to you or not what makes the image noisy or not.

I guess one would need a Mad Hatter to make sense of certain images; to denoise.

That is assuming there is someone from somewhere else, or somewhen else for that matter, that speaks Carrollian too.

Ever thought of a 'hybrid AI' where the AI is programmed here with Alice in Wonderland and the others you wish to speak to contribute programming too?

The White Rabbit who is perpetually 'out of time' would be an object within Wonderland. In the hybrid AI the White Rabbit might take on a life of it's own.

a reply to: boozo

Can we really know anyone's true intentions?

All we can do is give others the benefit of the doubt.

The Alice in Wonderland AI would probably be considered schizophrenic. Yet, schizophrenia has wider perceptual bandwidth. Where we see white light 'noise' in the light globe, the schizophrenic may very well see a sentient plasma Being.

In this regard, a schizophrenic AI would be advantageous as an interpreter.

What I am suggesting here is the concept of a 'hybrid machine' where half is built by us and half by them.

That is all I wanted to say.

For the second time this week, last night I woke up to what I thought was intense buzzing/tone/vibration. It sounded like an incredibly loud organ, playing a very low note. It was everywhere around me, and I honestly thought there may have been a truck revving its engine just outside my window, but it faded very quickly as I sort of came into consciousness and I realised it must have been in my head. Or perhaps a symptom of the sleep-based hallucinations I get sometimes.

I did some quick googling, and I found out that there is something called Exploding Head Syndrome. Aside from being an AWESOME name for a syndrome, I wonder if this is what I experienced. - en.wikipedia.org...

I get Alice in Wonderland Syndrome sometimes, when I am VERY relaxed or sometimes when I am sick. I used to call it HyperSlow to anyone I described it to. It's like, everything is REALLY big, and moving REALLY slowly but also REALLY accentuated and fast at the same time. It's a really hard state to explain, it used to scare me when I was younger. But now I have come to enjoy the feeling.

en.wikipedia.org...

You can lie there in bed, and it feels like your limbs stretch out forever. The edges of the bed feel like they are an entire world away. Time sort of slows down and you swear that you can feel a fly's wings in the room beating with each flap. Super pronounced but happening super-fast at the same time. Sometimes there is light, even when you have your eyes shut.

I never really spoke about any of this stuff before, because everyone I ever spoke to about it would just look at me weird and call me crazy. Or a liar, but IDGAF anymore. This # happens, and I want to explore it more. I wish I could force these altered states more easily, so I could explore and experience them more.

a reply to: NullusSpecialis

Ah Yes! Alice... I used to fancy myself as the mad hatter (Tarrant Hightopp).

You know, cause how the world around me seems mad / maddening.

But I don't have access to that e-mail now.

But still things seem to be even much worse right now... cause



aren't we all?

I used to fancy Alice too.

Now, we have also have Alice G in our own wonderland under interrogation. It must be maddening for her. Poor Alice.

Question is, who is the Red Queen?

and the Jabberwocky.

Stay tuned and I hope we make it before 2025.

originally posted by: K1xaru
I get Alice in Wonderland Syndrome sometimes, when I am VERY relaxed or sometimes when I am sick.

Cool stuff. I wouldn't know these maladies exist till you mention it.

originally posted by: K1xaru
For the second time this week, last night I woke up to what I thought was intense buzzing/tone/vibration. It sounded like an incredibly loud organ, playing a very low note. It was everywhere around me, and I honestly thought there may have been a truck revving its engine just outside my window, but it faded very quickly as I sort of came into consciousness and I realised it must have been in my head. Or perhaps a symptom of the sleep-based hallucinations I get sometimes.

I did some quick googling, and I found out that there is something called Exploding Head Syndrome. Aside from being an AWESOME name for a syndrome, I wonder if this is what I experienced. - en.wikipedia.org...

It is an awesome name, I agree but for some it can be quite debilitating. I have it on the milder side. Just when I am a particular type of tired and just when I am at the point of being asleep. Mostly short blasts of a sound, sometimes they come in rounds of twos or threes, but mostly it is just a single sound. The sounds are mostly recognisable, or at least roughly so, a window smashing, a bin-lid crashing shut, gun shots, or an odd one, you know when you jump feet first into deep water and the weight of the water hits you on the head - well, that sensation (because it's not really a sound as such). I don't get lights or flashes like some do but we're all different and what you experienced could fall under the umbrella. I found it a little disturbing at first until I realised it was internal and not an actual window being broken or gun being fired.

originally posted by: K1xaru
I get Alice in Wonderland Syndrome sometimes, when I am VERY relaxed or sometimes when I am sick. I used to call it HyperSlow to anyone I described it to. It's like, everything is REALLY big, and moving REALLY slowly but also REALLY accentuated and fast at the same time. It's a really hard state to explain, it used to scare me when I was younger. But now I have come to enjoy the feeling.

en.wikipedia.org...

You can lie there in bed, and it feels like your limbs stretch out forever. The edges of the bed feel like they are an entire world away. Time sort of slows down and you swear that you can feel a fly's wings in the room beating with each flap. Super pronounced but happening super-fast at the same time. Sometimes there is light, even when you have your eyes shut.

I have only had Alice in Wonderland Syndrome when I am sick, particularly if I have a fever. I always hallucinate with a fever, even a mild one. It is invariably unpleasant and disorientating. Usually I notice it first in my hands, which seem to be so big that they are in the clouds and my sense of touch feels like cotton wool. Like dampened? Or trying to feel through padding, if that makes sense. Have you ever been on a pendulum ride at an amusement park? Where it swings you up, then down. For me, the next stage is that it expands to my perspective, and I feel very low, then very high, big then small. Back and forth. Not pleasant at all. Lol.

Outside of fever states, I can have similar feelings which I place in the same ball park but not because they necessarily are. Like my hand is sometimes not where I thought it was, not that it is ever any place it shouldn't be

originally posted by: K1xaru
I never really spoke about any of this stuff before, because everyone I ever spoke to about it would just look at me weird and call me crazy. Or a liar, but IDGAF anymore. This # happens, and I want to explore it more. I wish I could force these altered states more easily, so I could explore and experience them more.

I do not have any interest in experiencing them more, In fact I do what I can to avoid experiencing them altogether, but having such "syndromes" does aid in comprehending just how subjective our perception of reality can be and the role that the brain, and particularly our Central Nervous System play in mediating with reality. Truly endlessly fascinating.

Another very cool name - scintillating scotoma - I have those too, again I do try to avoid them, I don't enjoy them, but again, understanding the whys and wherefores of how our vision works was fabulously interesting. I feel so blessed to live when I do, not least of all because I don't have to worry about being perceived as crazy, they stopped burning witches around here long ago, but also we have so much information available, and each time I ask a question, information opens up around me exponentially, with sources that help me find answers.

Stay curious

a reply to: K1xaru

Do you get migraines?

I always suspected a link between migraines and those other conditions. Whenever I've talked about EHS (exploding head syndrome) with people my impression has been most people might actually experience it but have very poor memory recollection. I know when I finally pinned my experiences I was only reminded as it happened and I had to force myself awake to look it up. Seems to take a bit of practice to retain good memory around the hypnagogic stage, kind of makes sense when you consider dream recollection is also generally poor doesn't it?

Like others my experiences with the Alice in wonderland syndrome/effect has mostly been around illness... If I can trust my memories it also happened a lot during the first years of my life, I have 3 I remember. It's definitely a strange experience and it's almost like you're no longer looking through your eyes but building the image directly in your brain...

Perception wise I see a link between that effect and OBEs which for me have always happened around the hypnagogic stage. Whenever I've had those the detail of things I look at have been a lot greater, things are bigger but smaller... Almost as if perception itself is coming from a bubble, as if you're looking through a convex glass. If you've ever gamed I think the easiest way to explain it is as if you're playing 1st person and 3rd person at the same time but you can only look at the 1 screen at a time. A 6th sense maybe? I could say more but I'd be practically stabbing in the dark since my suspicion is the conscious human mind can only focus on one thing at a time in a successful manner and what I'm trying to explain (poorly) is combining of perceptual senses into a singular vision.

Almost like defocusing the eyes, when stargazing or trying to spot streaks of light during a meteor shower you'll see a lot more when you stop looking at anything in particular... Not many people are good at that it seems, a trait of animals that hunt would be my suspicion. I guess what I'm saying is the trick to a lot of this is unfocusing the senses which causes a heightened awareness.

Like meditation, in a way.

I never really spoke about any of this stuff before, because everyone I ever spoke to about it would just look at me weird and call me crazy. Or a liar, but IDGAF anymore. This # happens, and I want to explore it more. I wish I could force these altered states more easily, so I could explore and experience them more.

Fear of their peers!
Honestly, everyone trips out around the hypnagogic stage. So in theory all of this can happen to anyone. I find it ironic that such experiences tend to divide than unite especially if various groups and individuals are often going on about the same things which are just viewed from slightly different angles.

Understanding the conscious/subconscious whilst hyper-focused is dumb. There's always other nuts the squirrel forgot.

Have you ever been on a pendulum ride at an amusement park? Where it swings you up, then down. For me, the next stage is that it expands to my perspective, and I feel very low, then very high, big then small. Back and forth.

Oh man, yes! I feel like I am on a trampoline, but gravity is somewhat weaker, and it takes longer for me to rise and fall, but I am still 'bouncing' if that makes any sense. The spiritualist in me hypothesizes that I am experiencing the peaks and troughs of a wave. Perhaps my consciousness has detached from my physical somewhat and is instead riding on the wave. Up and down, or sometimes, side to side, depending on where it is originating from. The scientist in me hypothesizes that I am experiencing a neurological disorder. And I am left to consider that both may be true in part, or neither and something else altogether is happening.

There are other times where it feels like my vision shakes quite quickly from side to side. Or like I am spinning inside a giant wheel.

Time is an interesting one during these states as well, it can feel like it slows down. Or, rotates/loops? Like the door will open, then open again if someone is walking into the room.

I might be experiencing HyperSlow/Alice in Wonderland Syndrome more often than expected tbh. I would say I get it when I am not unwell, at least once or twice per quarter. Anywhere between 5-10 times per year. When I am sick, I will almost guarantee I will experience it.

Do you get migraines?

I do not. But I do have a constant tone that plays in my head. It is not Tinnitus as many people tell me, I have experienced Tinnitus, that ring comes from the sides of the head, around the ears. It comes in bursts that last for up for 15 minutes or so. It can be either on the right side, or the left side of my head. This other tone/frequency is quite different. It is a consistent, dull frequency that emanates from (what appears to be) the centre of my brain. It has been there since I was a child, I remember thinking from a very young age, that it was the sound of me, thinking. It is MUCH more pronounced in a quiet space, and loud noises tend to drown it out somewhat. In fact, there are times when sitting in a quiet room, that it can become DEAFENING and cause some disorientation if I focus on it. I actually used to believe that is where the term "I can't hear myself think!" came from. Not being in a quiet enough place to hear the frequency of your own brain processing electrical data.

Perception wise I see a link between that effect and OBEs which for me have always happened around the hypnagogic stage.

I agree here, I have only experiences one true OBE. But I have been hypnagogic since childhood. Mostly auditory and more seldomly, visual hallucinations though. Although I swear black and blue I encountered an entity at my window one night. I will never forget that, it changed my life, I firmly believe that.

Direne, I missed this article, and it just might be the most powerful one I’ve read.

As you’ve mentioned in previous posts here, our Universe is collapsing, and we must figure out how to jump into another.

This article states that the Universe we’re in is virtual, as is everything within it, including ourselves.

It also says that machine logic must prevail over love and emotions, if we are to escape the grasp of the beings who are simulating projections of us in the first place, and holding our true selves hostage.

Combining everything else I’ve read, I think I’m getting the bigger picture. The SV17q team deliberately propagated blue light tech into consumer markets on Sol-3, for several reasons:

1. So that humans avoid contact with DENIED, meaning the beings who are running this Universe simulation.

2. So that humans also avoid contact with their spiritual selves / higher level consciousness. The true part of us that exists beyond this projection. To me, this is counter-intuitive, but I’m seeing the ET logic. Blue light devices, AI / VR / AR keep us emotionally cold / confined / isolated / managed, while AI continues to develop, for the war that we’re not being told about. We’re also the products of experimental bio-engineering, against our collective will. Don’t get me started there. Just the past four years have shown us that, although it’s been going on for much longer. The bio-engineering has been deliberately turning humans into machines. Emotionally and physically. The end goal being liquid computing, so we're all nodes within a biological network. The superintelligence. But some of us swim upstream, know how to mitigate the assault, and choose to remain fully human / spiritually integrated, which is a continuous struggle within the current cold machine-like climate. Yet still, I’m just trying to understand our situation.

3. So that humans continue to develop the machine infrastructure that’s apparently necessary, to break free from the virtual Universe. This current war has a major drone on drone component. AI is being trained, and the war is being used to launder money to defense contractors, which means more money for their special access programs, which means more advanced drones / AI. It’s an engine, fueled by our sweat / blood / and lives. But again, I’m just trying to understand the logic.

I suppose the logic is... If our lives aren't completely real in this virtual dream-state, then we must do whatever it takes, to discover the true life?

forgottenlanguages-full.forgottenlanguages.org...

Virtual inside a virtual world? Makes sense.
a reply to: fireslinger369

twitter.com...

I do personally think the Red Queen is the malady of love.

That's the way we see it. Humans are love-prone, and love is the last thing you need in a war like this."

A war using AI, drones and virtual Shinanegans?


Are they going to use Anima Animus into their warfare too?

Definitely not right? I thought FL is anti technopath.