Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

Originally posted by NavyDoc
No, the injuries and location of the blood on the ground matched his testimony, which was why he was not charged until the political, media instigated, hue and cry started.

The location of what blood on the ground? I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that George's head came into contact with any concrete surface. nevermind being slammed against it repeatedly.

Originally posted by Baddguy
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

im not afraid to call a coward out lol...so im no coward

and just beacuse someone thinks different me doesn't make them a coward...defending a coward who acted on cowardice terms* makes you a super coward...

Defending a wife beater who changed his story multiple times makes you a coward imo

And defending a thug who beats on people who he thinks are following them makes you a coward and a thug.


See how stupid this game is?

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by SuicideBankers

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SuicideBankers
Why was TM beating him? Couldn't be that GM had been following him around like a crazed vigilante?

If someone follows another person ... the person being followed has no right to attack the follower. That's a crime. It is NOT a crime to follow another person and report their movements to the police.

Whoever did the attacking .. that is the perp.

If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then Zimmerman is the perp.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then Martin is the perp.

It is irrelevant that Zimmerman followed Martin for a while.
There is nothing illegal in his doing so.

The crime occurred when GZ didn't do as 911 "advised' (yeesh) and decided to hunt this kid down.

Tell you what ... let me follow you around the neighborhood looking creepy like I am stalking you like prey and then when I start yelling at you to stop we will see if flight or fight doesn't kick in for you. If you ask me TM was standing his ground. GZ was the aggressor. He became the aggressor when he ignored 911's "recommendation". (groan)

NO, he was assaulted when he was near his truck which means he was leaving the scene. TM attacked him and had he not done so, GZ would have gotten into his truck. He was not a threat to TM until TM decided to bash his head into the pavement.

Must I post a diagram of the crime scene again? George was not near his truck when the confrontation occured.

Originally posted by Tribunal
That is Martin screaming.

So you sitting here on your computer .. you who has no experience in these matters ... you know more than the FBI crime labs who have many specialists trained in Forensic Science and who have tons of field experience. You know better than all of them??? Okay. Good to know.

FBI officially states they can't tell who is screaming. It's impossible to know.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by NavyDoc
No, the injuries and location of the blood on the ground matched his testimony, which was why he was not charged until the political, media instigated, hue and cry started.

The location of what blood on the ground? I've not seen any evidence whatsoever that George's head came into contact with any concrete surface. nevermind being slammed against it repeatedly.

Lot of photos here:www.wtsp.com...

and here: jacksonville.com... lideshows/trayvon-martin/see-evidence-photos-george-zimmermans-injuries-shooting-scene#slide-1

and here:www.theblaze.com... 2/05/18/new-bloody-photos-details-more-of-george-zimmermans-injuries/

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by SuicideBankers

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SuicideBankers
Why was TM beating him? Couldn't be that GM had been following him around like a crazed vigilante?

If someone follows another person ... the person being followed has no right to attack the follower. That's a crime. It is NOT a crime to follow another person and report their movements to the police.

Whoever did the attacking .. that is the perp.

If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then Zimmerman is the perp.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then Martin is the perp.

It is irrelevant that Zimmerman followed Martin for a while.
There is nothing illegal in his doing so.

The crime occurred when GZ didn't do as 911 "advised' (yeesh) and decided to hunt this kid down.

Tell you what ... let me follow you around the neighborhood looking creepy like I am stalking you like prey and then when I start yelling at you to stop we will see if flight or fight doesn't kick in for you. If you ask me TM was standing his ground. GZ was the aggressor. He became the aggressor when he ignored 911's "recommendation". (groan)

NO, he was assaulted when he was near his truck which means he was leaving the scene. TM attacked him and had he not done so, GZ would have gotten into his truck. He was not a threat to TM until TM decided to bash his head into the pavement.

Must I post a diagram of the crime scene again? George was not near his truck when the confrontation occured.

Please do.

Originally posted by macman
I find that hard to believe. Like fingerprints, everyone's voice has a distinct signature. If it isn't a match to ZM, then by default it belongs to the thug TM.

The recording isn't very good.
Martins voice is on tape ... social media.
The FBI said they can't match it to Zimmerman or Martin.
They do not know whose voice it is. It is impossible they said.

ETA .. I should say .. the last I read was that they have Martins voice from social media ...
that is from the MSM .. so I don't know if that's true ... we'll find out at the trial.

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yea only problem is GZ DID follow TM...or we chose to ignore this? like we chose to ignore the fact that GZ is a liar who contiously changes his story..Wife beater, cop beater, and a wanna be cop??? yea we can play this game all day...i smell the cowards

and most you people have no idea what a thug is

Originally posted by pyrodude
They are going to flay Zimmerman and there is probably not anything we can do about it. I have a carry license, I live in Florida and I would have been every bit as suspicious as him if a youngster, dressed like a thug, had been wandering around an area I was responsible for protecting. IE: like around my home. I trust his judgement here. However, Zimmerman was a grown man who should have been able to difuse this situation without it ever coming to blows. In any case they will never let Trayvon be painted as anything but a small helpless child and never let Zimmerman be portrayed as anything but a rage filled, gun toting hispanic. I bet they even try to link him to Bush.

They will sacrifice one man, who was probably more warranted in his actions then not, so that they can advance gun control legislation.

Just wanted to point out... Just because you FEEL suspicious, does not mean that another person is going harm the area you are protecting. The nature of being on watch makes you suspicious as a matter of course. Zimmerman made the wrong call, he decided NOT to mind his own business, he decided to take it upon himself.
A person is not a criminal until they actually do something, that is why Zimmerman will fry.

reply to post by FlyersFan

From doing investigations and using the voice recognition software, even back 8 years ago, I still think they are capable of doing it. We were able to pull more from less then.

Sounds odd to me.

His mother kicking him out of her home is VERY telling, just as telling as his father publicly changing the voice identification he gave the police saying it was NOT his son's voice after hearing the audio of the screams for help.

Why is this telling? It demonstrates that Rev Al's people, including his handpicked lawyers provided/promised the parents an incentive greater than justice if they go along with the Saint Trayvon storyline (refusing for months to release photos of Trayvon other than him at 12 years old and aggressively going after media outlets that used more current images was a brilliant strategy on their part). The big red flag early on was the mother obtaining the copyright on Trayvon's name right after the Sharpton lawyers took over but the media who reported that nugget were attacked by Sharpton.

Sharpton's tactics haven't ever changed; while they don't usually succeed in the Courts (see: Brawley, Tawana; Lacrosse, Duke), the man does know how to fire up and incite a crowd using divisive racial speech (see: Freddie's Fashion Mart, 1991 Crown Heights Riot) and use mafia-like extortion tactics on corporations by threatening to protest them for racial incidents if they don't contribute heavily to his National Action Network.

Sharpton and his NBC News platform is the reason that those who want to learn all the facts about the case before making judgement are called racist. It is also the reason that any African American on the jury who votes for Zimmerman's acquittal will be deemed an Uncle Tom and race traitor; every non-African-American on the jury who votes for acquittal will be labeled a racist and harassed following the trial.

The biggest hurdles for the defense to clear are:
- The image of the 12 year old smiling boy that has been etched into the minds of so many people. This was a deliberate strategy by Sharpton and the parents lawyers (who Sharpton picked and "financed") to limit the images available to the media when the case was THE news story and aggressively harass any media outlet who published more current images during that period. This strategy created the fable of Saint Trayvon.

- Jury Sequestration. The defense must get this jury sequestered from the start given the "A Time to Kill" atmosphere that has the potential to develop. If the defense doesn't get the jury sequestered, the best case scenario is a deadlocked jury.

Should elements of the victims past be admissible? Absolutely. If this was a case with a victim who was a hooker, that would come into discussions. If it was another victim who sold drugs it would come into evidence, but not Saint Trayvon.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Majority of the people pro-Zimmerman have a lot riding on this case. They are fearful people who want a society where they can shoot anyone that frightens them..

What an exceptionally strange and 'loaded' statement to make.

So those that don't grab their torches and pitchforks and scream for Zimmermans head are 'fearful people who want to shoot anyone' .... yeah ... okay. (sarcasm) You've got that backwards. Looks like those who want to pre-judge this case and automatically dismiss Zimmermans claims are the ones who are trying to drag the country down to a 'torch and pitchfork mob' mentality.

Its real genesis is with the racist, fearful, people who want the legal Right to shoot down those frightening, minority, thugs. People who aren't racist and support George are just caught up in the hoopla.

Some are not racist but still want the legal Right to shoot down and murder people that frighten them.

Originally posted by Baddguy
yea only problem is GZ DID follow TM...or we chose to ignore this?

It doesn't matter. The only thing that matters is who jumped who.
Like I said ... Zimmerman could follow Martin but that's not an excuse for Martin to attack.
If Martin jumped Zimmerman, then Martin is the perp.
If Zimmerman jumped Martin, then Zimmerman is the perp.
All the other information .. just doesn't matter as to who is guilty or not,

and most you people have no idea what a thug is

Sure we do. Why you'd say that we don't ... well .. that's a pretty odd thing to say.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Was Zimmerman the one pleeding for his life in the 911 recording?

Yes.

Why would George have been pleading for his life? You don't plead for your life when your head is (allegedly) being bashed against concrete. You do that when someone is holding a gun on you!

Originally posted by Baddguy
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

yea only problem is GZ DID follow TM...or we chose to ignore this? like we chose to ignore the fact that GZ is a liar who contiously changes his story..Wife beater, cop beater, and a wanna be cop??? yea we can play this game all day...i smell the cowards

and most you people have no idea what a thug is

LOL. I know 'em quite well. Have been around them and worked on them quite often.

Following is not, nor ever, is justification for physical assault. Otherwise all the paparazzi in the world would be dead. Does not matter if GZ followed TM along public streets. TM incited the violence and the onus on the outcome is on TM. Or do you endorse violence without reason?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by FlyersFan

 

Was Zimmerman the one pleeding for his life in the 911 recording?

Yes.

Why would George have been pleading for his life? You don't plead for your life when your head is (allegedly) being bashed against concrete. You do that when someone is holding a gun on you!

Actually you do call for help when you are being assaulted. What movies do you watch?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Some are not racist but still want the legal Right to shoot down and murder people that frighten them.

Seriously dude .... WHERE are you getting that?
It's a very extreme statement to make.
And you are assuming a whole lot ...
Are you sure that your own bias's aren't creeping out in that statement???
Kinda looks like it from here ....

Originally posted by macman

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

They really want George to win this case because this will give them the legal Right to shoot those black or brown or white kids who punk them.

That has to be the dumbest most ignorantly asinine comment on ATS, every.

If you don't know this is the reason so many have invested heavily in George, then you have been blind. However, I guess you are well aware of this.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Majority of the people pro-Zimmerman have a lot riding on this case. They are fearful people who want a society where they can shoot anyone that frightens them..

What an exceptionally strange and 'loaded' statement to make.

So those that don't grab their torches and pitchforks and scream for Zimmermans head are 'fearful people who want to shoot anyone' .... yeah ... okay. (sarcasm) You've got that backwards. Looks like those who want to pre-judge this case and automatically dismiss Zimmermans claims are the ones who are trying to drag the country down to a 'torch and pitchfork mob' mentality.

Its real genesis is with the racist, fearful, people who want the legal Right to shoot down those frightening, minority, thugs. People who aren't racist and support George are just caught up in the hoopla.

Some are not racist but still want the legal Right to shoot down and murder people that frighten them.

Wrong. There are people who want the ability to defend themselves from violent assault.
The racists are those that made this into race rather than a simple matter of assault with their "white Hispanic" and doctored 911 tapes.

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I don't know ... I'm just telling you what they have said in the MSM ... The FBI officially said that they can't match the voice to Zimmerman or Martin. Both the left and right wing media have reported it ... Fox and CNN and MSNBC. So I can just tell you what they said .... ya' know??