Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

reply to post by FlyersFan


So, imagine you were on an estate where you didn't know any of the residents and you know there isn't even an adult in the one place you can run to. Okay, the chances of you knocking on a stranger's door and them being associates of the creepy guy following you are slim, but so were the odds that you'd be targeted as a burglar while peacefully minding your own business.

reply to post by DZAG Wright

ahhhhhh .. okay. I get ya'. I thought you ment posters here. Okay. Yes, there are some people who gave to the Zimmerman defense. There are some people (or groups??) giving to the Martin folks as well.

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
reply to post by macman

 

I have been in plenty of fights as a kid...I have never heard another person cry out for help...men..well most men have too much pride to do that. I have won a few and lost a few and have never cried for help or heard the other person yell for it...some have said get him of me...asking his boys....then I usually get my ass whooped by him and his friends..

Guess what I survived.

While crying for help Mac...Did you also ask to be held...

LMAO................I mean ROFBOLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I tell ya, men just aren't men anymore...

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Baddguy

 

Nope, no problem here. If I did not start the fight, and an unarmed person attacks me??? I would not loose any sleep over it.

Maybe don't attack people. Has nothing to do with being a coward. I just know that anyone can be beat in a fist fight.

You may want to go toe to toe with someone in an attempt to prove your "manliness", but my life is more important that the other persons.

spoken like a true American coward

maybe if your such a coward(GZ)...dont attempt to be neighborhood watch just call the cops..

Originally posted by Baddguy
.there is no problem shooting...an unarmed person????????

as far as I'm concerned .. if a person jumps me then they are armed with their fists.
If I'm armed and an 'unarmed' person jumps me .. I'll shoot 'em dead. No problem.

reply to post by NavyDoc


I think TM was beating GZ down. I already made my opinion on this very clear in an earlier post.

The 2012 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES

Chapter 784
ASSAULT; BATTERY; CULPABLE NEGLIGENCE

View Entire Chapter
784.048 Stalking; definitions; penalties.—
(1) As used in this section, the term:
(a) “Harass” means to engage in a course of conduct directed at a specific person which causes substantial emotional distress to that person and serves no legitimate purpose.
(b) “Course of conduct” means a pattern of conduct composed of a series of acts over a period of time, however short, which evidences a continuity of purpose. The term does not include constitutionally protected activity such as picketing or other organized protests.
(c) “Credible threat” means a verbal or nonverbal threat, or a combination of the two, including threats delivered by electronic communication or implied by a pattern of conduct, which places the person who is the target of the threat in reasonable fear for his or her safety or the safety of his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the person, and which is made with the apparent ability to carry out the threat to cause such harm. It is not necessary to prove that the person making the threat had the intent to actually carry out the threat. The present incarceration of the person making the threat is not a bar to prosecution under this section.
(d) “Cyberstalk” means to engage in a course of conduct to communicate, or to cause to be communicated, words, images, or language by or through the use of electronic mail or electronic communication, directed at a specific person, causing substantial emotional distress to that person and serving no legitimate purpose.
(2) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of stalking, a misdemeanor of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082 or s. 775.083.
(3) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person and makes a credible threat to that person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(4) A person who, after an injunction for protection against repeat violence, sexual violence, or dating violence pursuant to s. 784.046, or an injunction for protection against domestic violence pursuant to s. 741.30, or after any other court-imposed prohibition of conduct toward the subject person or that person’s property, knowingly, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks another person commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(5) A person who willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks a child under 16 years of age commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(6) A law enforcement officer may arrest, without a warrant, any person that he or she has probable cause to believe has violated this section.
(7) A person who, after having been sentenced for a violation of s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5) and prohibited from contacting the victim of the offense under s. 921.244, willfully, maliciously, and repeatedly follows, harasses, or cyberstalks the victim commits the offense of aggravated stalking, a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
(8) The punishment imposed under this section shall run consecutive to any former sentence imposed for a conviction for any offense under s. 794.011, s. 800.04, or s. 847.0135(5).
(9)(a) The sentencing court shall consider, as a part of any sentence, issuing an order restraining the defendant from any contact with the victim, which may be valid for up to 10 years, as determined by the court. It is the intent of the Legislature that the length of any such order be based upon the seriousness of the facts before the court, the probability of future violations by the perpetrator, and the safety of the victim and his or her family members or individuals closely associated with the victim.
(b) The order may be issued by the court even if the defendant is sentenced to a state prison or a county jail or even if the imposition of the sentence is suspended and the defendant is placed on probation.

After reading this I think GZ is completely and utterly !

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
So you are saying..you are being followed and your reaction as a man...would be to run to a group to be safe...

I hope you are laughing at yourself. I'm a WOMAN. A bit old and not healthy.
And it's common sense to try NOT to pop off a few rounds into another human
being if you can defuse the situation first by finding a non-lethal means.

:shk: Gawd ....

OK, this explains it and I can understand your view point better. You are excused as well as the elderly and fragile of health.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by kerazeesicko
So you are saying..you are being followed and your reaction as a man...would be to run to a group to be safe...

I hope you are laughing at yourself. I'm a WOMAN. A bit old and not healthy.
And it's common sense to try NOT to pop off a few rounds into another human
being if you can defuse the situation first by finding a non-lethal means.

:shk: Gawd ....

OK, this explains it and I can understand your view point better. You are excused as well as the elderly and fragile of health.

So if you are blindsided and having your head beat into the ground you should just take the potentially crippling assault? That's just stupid.

reply to post by macman


Man..what is it with ATS posters and the avatars..This is like the 10th time someone brought it up. I searched avatars and like this one..no deep thought into it..just looked good at the moment..it does not represent anything to me..

What does stating facts have to do with being an internet tough guy... If something I said made me look like a tough guy to you...then ooops...no need to worry..I am not going kick you internet butt...

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.

you have a coward mindset...regardless of what the intentions were/are...there is no problem shooting...an unarmed person????????

and i never said i havent been beaten...i said ive never called for help even if i was jumped by multiple people

edit on 31-5-2013 by Baddguy because: (no reason given)

You are being disingenuous. You make it sound like he executed an unarmed man who wa just standing there. He was getting his head beaten into the pavement...something any reasonable person could articulate was a life threatening situation. What justification is there for physically assaulting someone who is following you on a public street?

he got his head beat in for aggressively stalking! what the HEOW man!!!!!!! your being disingenuous!!!!
stop acting like TM just ran up on a suspicious GZ and started beating on him

reply to post by IvanAstikov

Dude .. I"m NOT going to go jump someone who is following me.
If I'm unarmed I'd hide or find others.
If I was Martins age I would have ran the hell out of there.

At my age .. I can't run anymore and with my health the way it is I certainly can't fistfight.
But no matter ... I would NOT jump someone following me.
You never know who they are ... how stable they are ... or if they are packing ....

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

You clearly have never been in a fight.

I have personally called for help and had people call out for help during fights.

Hay army dude I am going by what your avatar looked like well so have I.. helping out a fellow human is a good thing but this GZ guy was not helping anyone and by the many previous complaints by residents he was a bullying jerk with delusions of grandeur .

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
OK, this explains it and I can understand your view point better. You are excused as well as the elderly and fragile of health.

While not being as quite "elderly" as FF do mind drawing in your condescension? It's very unbecoming. Actually there's been far too many personal attacks here. Don't make me alert the Mod Squad.

Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Baddguy

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.

you have a coward mindset...regardless of what the intentions were/are...there is no problem shooting...an unarmed person????????

and i never said i havent been beaten...i said ive never called for help even if i was jumped by multiple people

edit on 31-5-2013 by Baddguy because: (no reason given)

You are being disingenuous. You make it sound like he executed an unarmed man who wa just standing there. He was getting his head beaten into the pavement...something any reasonable person could articulate was a life threatening situation. What justification is there for physically assaulting someone who is following you on a public street?

he got his head beat in for aggressively stalking! what the HEOW man!!!!!!! your being disingenuous!!!!
stop acting like TM just ran up on a suspicious GZ and started beating on him

He did. You ahve failed to answer the question. Where is it reasonable or legal to physically assault someone for following you on a public street?

reply to post by NavyDoc


If your dumb enough to put yourself into said situation...then you better know how to defend yourself. Hell learn to defend yourself anyways....you never know when you might need it.

Originally posted by Tribunal

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by kerazeesicko

 

You clearly have no idea as to the use of force allowed during confrontations.

Anyone can confront anyone else.
If I confront you, because I think you are going to commit a crime, not showing a firearm and you attack, there is no problem with me shooting you. Regardless of what your intentions were/are.

What if Zimmerman followed you and grabbed you?

All we know for sure is that Zimmerman was agitated and focused on Martin. We know that he was chasing him.

Martin called his girlfriend saying he is scared because he is being followed.

The next thing we know is someone is caling for help and pleading for his life, and then a gunshot.


Zimmerman can say that Martin attacked him but there are no witnesses to confirm this.

If a strange man followed me around at night and maybe tried to stop me, I would fight too. If during the fight I discovered a gun I would try to take it away.

The point is you can't trust the shooters story and everything points to him being the aggressor.

LOL, and we can trust the CHIEF witness for the prosecuter, which is where you are getting your information?? The same chief witness who lied under oath and has a buttload of credibility issues?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
OK, this explains it and I can understand your view point better. You are excused as well as the elderly and fragile of health.

Well .. I'm an 'older' female and with chronic illness and dimming eyesight.
I guess I get a BIG 'excused' from ya'!

I stand by what I said ... even if I had a gun I would try not to use it unless
it was absolutely necessary. I would attempt to find others or 'hide' before
putting bullets into another human being. Don't get me wrong .. I would if I had
to ... But I'd try like heck not to 'have to' do it. Ya' know??

Originally posted by Spider879

Originally posted by macman
reply to post by DZAG Wright

 

You clearly have never been in a fight.

I have personally called for help and had people call out for help during fights.

Hay army dude I am going by what your avatar looked like well so have I helping out a fellow human is a good thing but this GZ guy was not helping anyone and by many previous complaints by residents he was a bullying jerk with delusions of grandeur .

One anonymous email, as previously mentioned, is not any sort of proof that he had "many previous complaints" or was a "bullying jerk with illusions of grandure." The president of the homeowners association, already mentioned above as well, said (without demanding anonymity) that they had gotten no complaints or indications that there was anything wrong with GZ.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

So if you are blindsided and having your head beat into the ground you should just take the potentially crippling assault? That's just stupid.

edit on 31-5-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

edit on 31-5-2013 by NavyDoc because: (no reason given)

George wasn't blindsided. He was actually given a clear warning of TM's approach, or so he claims. George wasn't supposed to be drunk or mentally debilitated in some other way that would explain why he was unable to retreat from Trayvon towards the safety of his truck, but we are expected to believe that he allowed Trayvon to march right up to him and punch his face before he could even react? Absolute hogwash.

reply to post by jheherrin

LOL, and we can trust the CHIEF witness for the prosecuter, which is where you are getting your information?? The same chief witness who lied under oath and has a buttload of credibility issues?

What are you talking about?

What did I say that is not confirmed to be true?