Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

Originally posted by FlyersFan

You do realize that attacking someone for allegedly having followed you is against the law ... right?

So is a) playing vigilante and b) shooting an unarmed 17 year old minor.

So, he'll be in jail, and you'll weep for him. Have fun wasting your time feeling emotion for an overzealous psychotic who initiated that entire situation instead of allowing the police to do their jobs.

I sat here and used an embarrassing story in order to demonstrate how a citizens arrest works, I've told people how the law works, I've used valid metaphors, I have even decided to change my way of thinking on the whole thing if Zimmerman was found guilty of initiating a fight!

People here aren't interested in the facts, which is why I'm going to bow out... This tough guy bravado about punching a guys lights out because he followed you is getting tiring.... It always seems to be the case here on ATS nowadays, their emotions always getting in the way of their critical thinking, if there was any there to begin with.....

Originally posted by jrod

Another fact is Trayvon was a punk kid who his friends called a hoodlum, he was expelled from school, and was a wanna be gangster. He was no innocent 17 year old kid, that is a fact.

Your arguments for Trayvon are based on emotion NOT facts.

I guess you don't understand the irony that you followed the first statement with the 2nd?

How does any of the irrelevant "emotional" CLAIMS you make in the first statement justify someone chasing down and shooting the unarmed boy who wasn't committing a crime?

How does this work in your world? If you hear from so-and-so that knows so-and-so that a 17 year old boy is a "hoodlum", then it's OK to kill him?

Or if a student is expelled? Fair game for murdering?

Wether Trayvon was an "angel" or a well behaved boy by your standards has nothing to do with justifying his murder.

So George Zimmerman had a restraining order put on him by his fiancee for domestic violence.

He also was arrested for Assualting a Police Officer...

He also admitted he suffers from ADHD and Hyperactivity and takes medication for it...

Violent, Hyperactive, on drugs, with a police record of violence...

See how that works?

reply to post by Indigo5


Never said it was OK.

I'm just saying Zimmerman will walk!

I'm done with this thread!

reply to post by NavyDoc


The race card is pulled because he racially profiled the kid...
many people jumped on GZ side to prove that isn't racist..Race has almost everything to do with this case people
because whites kids in hoodies don't get profiled the same way black kids with hoodies do..you can deny it all you want but trying to act like race dosent matter or had nothing to do with this is bs..

the people defending GZ actions are all full of crap...GZ is a coward and a cop and wife beater..but you choose to ignore that fact and focus on TM getting expelled and smoking pot??..Be real...this site is a place for cowards to express themselves.

Zimmerman had been the subject of earlier complaints by residents of the gated community in which he and Martin's family lived. At an emergency homeowner's association meeting earlier this month, "one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home," a resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. "It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

On another note, who was screaming for help and "no, no" in one of the 911 recordings?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

You do realize that attacking someone for allegedly having followed you is against the law ... right?

By "alledgedly" you mean...WTF? Zimmerman admitted to CHASING the kid.

And does "stand your ground" only apply if you have a gun?

In the United States of America, stand-your-ground law states that a person may justifiably use force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of an unlawful threat, without an obligation to retreat first.

Seems to me you have this backward. Trayvon did his best at retreating while being PURSUED by ZImmerman and only "stood his ground" when Zimmerman would not stop...who could be interpreted as nothing else by Trayvon than an "unlawful threat"...strange man chasing him.

Zimmerman CREATED the confrontation...he was not cornered...He was the cornerer...that was his intent in pursuing Trayvon...

[on phone with dispatcher]
Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had gotten away with break-ins in the neighborhood, and while talking about Martin, stated "these assh***s, they always get away" and also said "these f***ing punks".

According to investigators, while Zimmerman was speaking with police, Martin was on the phone with a friend and described to her what was happening. She said that Martin was scared because he was being followed by an unknown male and didn't know why.

Investigators said that Martin attempted to run home, but Zimmerman followed him, because he didn't want Martin whom he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime, to get away before the police arrived.

When the police dispatcher realized Zimmerman was pursuing Martin, he instructed Zimmerman not to do that and told him an officer would meet him.

Prosecutors stated that Zimmerman ignored the dispatcher's instruction and continued pursuing Martin on foot

en.wikipedia.org...

Strange that if you chase an innocent boy down with a gun and confrontation ensues, it's standing your ground?

But if you are running from a strange wacko through your own nieghborhood and stop to face them. No stand your ground there? No "unlawful threat"....you gotta be armed for that law to apply???

Originally posted by jimmyx

Originally posted by Paschar0
Link

Drudge posted this link also.

This is pretty much what I expected from vile prosecutors and LE who seem to think lying by omission is somehow OK.

For me, It strengthens my belief in Zimmerman's intuition and judgement were correct to suspect Martin, I can't help but wonder what might have happened if Martin had a weapon with him that night.

While the gun and drugs by themselves don't mean Martin was a thug, together and with other things we know about him, it paints a clear enough picture for me that I know I don't want him or his kind around me or my family.

It also demonstrates an actual conspiracy by prosecutors and their minions, which if not for someone brave enough to come forward, we would never have learned about. Someone please explain how suppressing this evidence furthers the cause for truth and fairness in this trial?

you do realize zimmermen got out of his truck with a loaded weapon, chased after martin, and shot him after getting into a struggle with him....all of which is illegal and was told by the police over the phone not to do? .....so that means you have the moral authority to go out and shoot any black person in a hoody walking in your neighborhood because he looks like a thug and therefore "suspicious"

You do realize you completely made that series of events up yourself, don't you?

Carrying a loaded weapon - legal.
Getting out of your vehicle - legal.
Keeping dibs on a shady character in your neck of the woods - legal.
Using your legal firearm to defend yourself when your head is being smashed into the ground - legal.

The only way Zimmerman is guilty is if he pulled the gun first and threatened Martin before hand.

But according to eye witness testimony, that's not what happened.

Oh, and a 911 operator isn't an authority. And even if he was, saying "We dont need you to do that" is not saying "You need to stop right now and go home"

Stop making # up.

Majority of the people pro-Zimmerman have a lot riding on this case. They are fearful people who want a society where they can shoot anyone that frightens them.

They really want George to win this case because this will give them the legal Right to shoot those black or brown or white kids who punk them.

They're fear has so blinded them they don't see what such a law can do. A law such as this allows me to go confront someone I don't like, get into a fight with them and if I lose, shoot them down and scream SYG or self-defense.

The State, fortunately see exactly where this can lead hopefully, and will not allow this Wild West mentality to win.

Originally posted by supremecommander
So is a) playing vigilante and b) shooting an unarmed 17 year old minor.

It's NOT against the law for a neighborhood watchman to briefly follow a suspicious person. It may be a stupid thing to do ... but it's not against the law.

It's NOT against the law for someone to protect himself if he's attacked. The age of the perp doing the attacking is irrelevant.

Have fun wasting your time feeling emotion for an overzealous psychotic who initiated that entire situation instead of allowing the police to do their jobs.

Psychotic eh? Yes ... self protection is psychotic .... (sarcasm)

Again .. it is NOT against the law to follow a person and make note of their activities.
It IS against the law to attack a person who followed you.
What part of that very simple statement don't you get?

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SuicideBankers
Why was TM beating him? Couldn't be that GM had been following him around like a crazed vigilante?

If someone follows another person ... the person being followed has no right to attack the follower. That's a crime. It is NOT a crime to follow another person and report their movements to the police.

Whoever did the attacking .. that is the perp.

If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then Zimmerman is the perp.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then Martin is the perp.

It is irrelevant that Zimmerman followed Martin for a while.
There is nothing illegal in his doing so.

The crime occurred when GZ didn't do as 911 "advised' (yeesh) and decided to hunt this kid down.

Tell you what ... let me follow you around the neighborhood looking creepy like I am stalking you like prey and then when I start yelling at you to stop we will see if flight or fight doesn't kick in for you. If you ask me TM was standing his ground. GZ was the aggressor. He became the aggressor when he ignored 911's "recommendation". (groan)

A few of you conveniently forget that Zimmerman was already investigated by the police who interviewed the witnesses and assessed the crime scene and then RELEASED.

Then comes some uppity white prosecutor trying to make a name for herself that stirs the media's racist pot, then they arrest him after saying he could go free.

If you don't see this as a witch hunt - you *ARE* a racist.

Originally posted by Indigo5
Wether Trayvon was an "angel" or a well behaved boy by your standards has nothing to do with justifying his murder.

Your statement that Martin was murdered is premature.
Just because Martin is dead doesn't make him the victim.
He easily could be the perp. We have to wait for the court evidence.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
Zimmerman will walk away a free man.

To convict Zimmerman, the prosecutor will have to prove that Zimmerman was the aggressor, and Zimmerman shot Travon for no reason

The color picture of Zimmerman with the head wound is enough reason to create reasonable doubt in most people.

He will be a free man after his trial.

I agree but If this scenario comes to fruition, the resulting riot will make the aftermath of the Rodney King verdict seem like like an old lady crochet meeting.

Originally posted by Baddguy
reply to post by NavyDoc

 

The race card is pulled because he racially profiled the kid...
many people jumped on GZ side to prove that isn't racist..Race has almost everything to do with this case people
because whites kids in hoodies don't get profiled the same way black kids with hoodies do..you can deny it all you want but trying to act like race dosent matter or had nothing to do with this is bs..

the people defending GZ actions are all full of crap...GZ is a coward and a cop and wife beater..but you choose to ignore that fact and focus on TM getting expelled and smoking pot??..Be real...this site is a place for cowards to express themselves.

I didn't say anything about him being expelled or smoking pot. All I said was that it is wrong and illegal and thuggish for physically assaulting someone for following you on a public street.

The racist issue was CREATED by the left: "White Hispanic" and editing the 911 call to make him think he was racially profiling TM. He wasn't and the 911 call had to be deceitfully edited to make it seem so.

GZ was not convicted of any of those things, otherwise he could not have had his CCW. If you are not convicted, you can't say he did those things so that is a bit disingenuous as well.

LOL. Again...personal insult for people who have a different opinion than you...who is the real coward?

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Majority of the people pro-Zimmerman have a lot riding on this case. They are fearful people who want a society e I don't like, get into a fight with them and if I lose, shoot them down and scream SYG or self-defense.

The State, fortunately see exactly where this can lead hopefully, and will not allow this Wild West mentality to win.

Yeah - to hell with the self defense mentality - lets bring on the compton mentality where you can "punk someone" and beat their ass to a bloody pulp, leaving the victim powerless to do anything about it.

You, and the millions like you, are amazing.

Originally posted by SuicideBankers

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by SuicideBankers
Why was TM beating him? Couldn't be that GM had been following him around like a crazed vigilante?

If someone follows another person ... the person being followed has no right to attack the follower. That's a crime. It is NOT a crime to follow another person and report their movements to the police.

Whoever did the attacking .. that is the perp.

If Zimmerman attacked Martin, then Zimmerman is the perp.
If Martin attacked Zimmerman, then Martin is the perp.

It is irrelevant that Zimmerman followed Martin for a while.
There is nothing illegal in his doing so.

The crime occurred when GZ didn't do as 911 "advised' (yeesh) and decided to hunt this kid down.

Tell you what ... let me follow you around the neighborhood looking creepy like I am stalking you like prey and then when I start yelling at you to stop we will see if flight or fight doesn't kick in for you. If you ask me TM was standing his ground. GZ was the aggressor. He became the aggressor when he ignored 911's "recommendation". (groan)

NO, he was assaulted when he was near his truck which means he was leaving the scene. TM attacked him and had he not done so, GZ would have gotten into his truck. He was not a threat to TM until TM decided to bash his head into the pavement.

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
Majority of the people pro-Zimmerman have a lot riding on this case. They are fearful people who want a society where they can shoot anyone that frightens them..

What an exceptionally strange and 'loaded' statement to make. So those that don't grab their torches and pitchforks and scream for Zimmermans head are 'fearful people who want to shoot anyone' .... yeah ... okay. (sarcasm) You've got that backwards. Looks like those who want to pre-judge this case and automatically dismiss Zimmermans claims are the ones who are trying to drag the country down to a 'torch and pitchfork mob' mentality.

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Was Zimmerman the one pleeding for his life in the 911 recording?

Originally posted by Baddguy
The race card is pulled because he racially profiled the kid.

When did he do that? Can you provide us information showing that he did?
oh .. and don't post the SELECTIVELY EDITED tapes from CBS or NBC.
Those have been debunked.
Give us the full evidence please. Thank you.