Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

reply to post by Oannes


So, when someone is on top of you beating your head and starts to reach for your gun, you have no right to try to get the gun first?

If the story that Zimmermand told is true, then in my opinion he had every right to defend himself by shooting Travon, the aggressor..

Originally posted by jheated5

Originally posted by Gazrok
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Most of you still think a White man chased down and shot a Black child and just started unloading his gun on him for no apparent reason.....

No, I think a hispanic male saw a black male acting suspiciously in his neighborhood and called the police, due to recent burglaries. At this point, he had done his civic duty. Instead, he decided to play cop and pursue the suspect (despite instruction from police dispatch to stand down), and at this moment, the spirit of the Stand Your Ground law went out the window. He confronted the suspect, who then beat him, and the hispanic male shot the black male in negligent homicide.

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

Committing a crime, that's fine

But just walking down the street isn't committing a crime.

Yes, if someone was raping a woman in a alley. Also if he was building a nuclear bomb. To my knowledge, he was doing neither..just walking down a street from his grandparents house packed with some skittles.
Now, what is the crime here that required intervention?

Originally posted by Soloprotocol
Another thing i've notice here...someone said.."Dressed like a Thug"...could that person please elaborate....It's just that my son and his friends all wear tracksuits when they are out and about. And as we live in not the best climate they usually have their hoods up....

I just worried he might be a thug like..

Ps....sometimes his butt is hanging out his jeans also...

edit on 31-5-2013 by Soloprotocol because: (no reason given)

Dressed like a thug = looking under 30 years old.
Durned kids these days

Originally posted by SaturnFX

Originally posted by jheated5

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by jheated5

 

Most of you still think a White man chased down and shot a Black child and just started unloading his gun on him for no apparent reason.....

No, I think a hispanic male saw a black male acting suspiciously in his neighborhood and called the police, due to recent burglaries. At this point, he had done his civic duty. Instead, he decided to play cop and pursue the suspect (despite instruction from police dispatch to stand down), and at this moment, the spirit of the Stand Your Ground law went out the window. He confronted the suspect, who then beat him, and the hispanic male shot the black male in negligent homicide.

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

Committing a crime, that's fine

But just walking down the street isn't committing a crime.

Yes, if someone was raping a woman in a alley. Also if he was building a nuclear bomb. To my knowledge, he was doing neither..just walking down a street from his grandparents house packed with some skittles.
Now, what is the crime here that required intervention?

You don't have to be committing a crime to attempt to make a citizens arrest because you aren't actually arresting someone... You are trying to hold someone in place and wait for the police to arrive to sort out the details....

Example me and my brother and law were stopped in Atlantic City because he was walking with his kids and I was walking with my nephew on the boardwalk, these were different occasions on the same day mind you.... What did I do while someone had the cops come over? I complied and let the cops sort out the situation, I didn't start beating the face in of the person making accusations....

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Oannes

 

So, when someone is on top of you beating your head and starts to reach for your gun, you have no right to try to get the gun first?

If the story that Zimmermand told is true, then in my opinion he had every right to defend himself by shooting Travon, the aggressor..

Why was TM beating him? Couldn't be that GM had been following him around like a crazed vigilante? Maybe GM should have had his Bat costume on?

Well it all depends on which of his stories you want to use.

reply to post by jheated5


Zimmerman chased this boy through the neighborhood, while this boy was trying to get home. Zimmerman sprinted after him, drove after him etc. Even after the cops told him NOT TO. Zimmerman also didn't say he was "Neighborhood watch"...didn't explain why he was following the kid when they met. Zip Nada...that is Zimmermans own testimony.

I teach my kids to run from strange men chasing them...and if they can't run...FIGHT.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Oannes

 

So, when someone is on top of you beating your head and starts to reach for your gun, you have no right to try to get the gun first?

If the story that Zimmermand told is true, then in my opinion he had every right to defend himself by shooting Travon, the aggressor..

Zimmerman had no justifiable reason to pursue him in the first place.

From Martin's perspective, he was being stalked and got into a fight with an unidentified armed man, he has no right to go for the gun first? Just to disarm him in the first place? He obviously got shot so I guess his instincts were right about the danger he was in.

If it even went down like that.

Originally posted by jheated5


Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

There is no such thing as a citizen arrest in Florida, ask any Florida LEO and they will verify this. As a citizen you can not arrest someone in Florida and if you do you can face legal problems. However you can hold someone until the police arrive if it is the interest of public safety until the police arrive. Pretty much the same thing just worded differently.

Originally posted by Indigo5
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. Even after the cops told him NOT TO.

NOPE, not what happened. The 911 operator told him not to pursue, NOT a cop!

Zimmerman had no legal obligation to take the 911 operator's recommendation. It was Zimmerman's neighborhood and he was trying to protect it.

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Oannes

 

So, when someone is on top of you beating your head and starts to reach for your gun, you have no right to try to get the gun first?

Stop...rewind...how did you end up in a fight with a 17 year old boy with a gun on your hip?

Did you perhaps put the gun on and chase the boy through a nieghborhood? Despite being told to stop immediatley by the cops?

reply to post by jheated5

You don't have to be committing a crime to attempt to make a citizens arrest because you aren't actually arresting someone... You are trying to hold someone in place and wait for the police to arrive to sort out the details....

Details....of what? The guy was walking home. There was absolutely no grounds for any arrest whatsoever. Hold someone in place for walking while being black?

You are out of your mind. That's Nazi Germany you are talking about. Not cool...guy.

Example me and my brother and law were stopped in Atlantic City because he was walking with his kids and I was walking with my nephew on the boardwalk, these were different occasions on the same day mind you.... What did I do while someone had the cops come over? I complied and let the cops sort out the situation, I didn't start beating the face in of the person making accusations....

You were stopped by a fellow citizen for walking with kids, and you accepted that, and you are even proud of yourself?

What accusations are you talking about?

reply to post by jrod

Zimmerman had no legal obligation to take the 911 operator's recommendation. It was Zimmerman's neighborhood and he was trying to protect it.

Did he have a legal obligation to confront a young man walking home, unarmed, not committing any crimes, while he was carrying a firearm himself, and didn't have any form of legal, moral, recognisable, or even physical authority over Martin?

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by jheated5

 

You don't have to be committing a crime to attempt to make a citizens arrest because you aren't actually arresting someone... You are trying to hold someone in place and wait for the police to arrive to sort out the details....

Details....of what? The guy was walking home. There was absolutely no grounds for any arrest whatsoever. Hold someone in place for walking while being black?

You are out of your mind. That's Nazi Germany you are talking about. Not cool...guy.

Example me and my brother and law were stopped in Atlantic City because he was walking with his kids and I was walking with my nephew on the boardwalk, these were different occasions on the same day mind you.... What did I do while someone had the cops come over? I complied and let the cops sort out the situation, I didn't start beating the face in of the person making accusations....

You were stopped by a fellow citizen for walking with kids, and you accepted that, and you are even proud of yourself?

What accusations are you talking about?

Well apparently there are a lot of kidnappings in AC, so me and my brother in law were profiled, just because we were males with kids.... Of course I was irritated but I understand the reason for people to be suspicious and take precautions against children getting kidnapped...

Originally posted by Tribunal

Example me and my brother and law were stopped in Atlantic City because he was walking with his kids and I was walking with my nephew on the boardwalk, these were different occasions on the same day mind you.... What did I do while someone had the cops come over? I complied and let the cops sort out the situation, I didn't start beating the face in of the person making accusations....

You were stopped by a fellow citizen for walking with kids, and you accepted that, and you are even proud of yourself?

What accusations are you talking about?

I thought the same thing? WTF? If I am walking down some street with my children and some joe-blow-idiot pulls up, jumps out and tells me he doesn't like the way I look and to stay put while he gets somebody, he is going to get hit and hit hard.

reply to post by jheated5


KFC that!

If that person would've tried to stop me from moving physically, because of a random kidnapping accusation, he would be in trouble. You know that could actually be considered kidnapping, robbing a person of his freedom.

And what kidnapper takes his victims out for walks? Sounds like a bit of a BS story to me.

If it really happened and you took it like that then, well.....green pastures brah.

Originally posted by Tribunal


Did he have a legal obligation to confront a young man walking home, unarmed, not committing any crimes, while he was carrying a firearm himself, and didn't have any form of legal, moral, recognisable, or even physical authority over Martin?

edit on 31-5-2013 by Tribunal because: (no reason given)

You facts are skewed.

Lets set this straight, the police NEVER told Zimmerman not to pursue, it was a 911 operator and that recommendation means NOTHING in legal terms.

How do you know he wasn't committing any crimes, he could have been 'window shopping' looking for unlocked cars when Zimmerman spotted him, I don't know and neither do you.

The fact is there was a confrontation and Zimmerman has the wounds to prove it.

Another fact is Trayvon was a punk kid who his friends called a hoodlum, he was expelled from school, and was a wanna be gangster. He was no innocent 17 year old kid, that is a fact.

Your arguments for Trayvon are based on emotion NOT facts.

I just hope there aren't riots when Zimmerman walks!

Originally posted by Tribunal
reply to post by jheated5

 

KFC that!

If that person would've tried to stop me from moving physically, because of a random kidnapping accusation, he would be in trouble. You know that could actually be considered kidnapping, robbing a person of his freedom.

And what kidnapper takes his victims out for walks? Sounds like a bit of a BS story to me.

If it really happened and you took it like that then, well.....green pastures brah.

It was karma on my part because my sister told me about what happened to her husband like a half hour earlier and I laughed about it, because you know, never anywhere in our lives this has ever happened to us... I wasn't held against my will, it was an elderly woman with a cell phone, I got cocky with her to be sure....

We were both embarrassed of course, being the first time this has happened to us anywhere in the world but I took it as a sign that it might be common place there that kids are getting kidnapped there regularly... Neither him or I turned to physical violence in order to solve the situation though.....

Article from today: "Al Sharpton Confronts George Zimmerman's Lawyer Over Trayvon Martin Case"

Quoting from article:

"Sharpton pressed O'Mara on the issue, saying that experts have said that the screams for help in the background of a 911 call belonged to Martin. O'Mara said that other experts have said the voice is not easily identifiable."

Although not solid evidence Trayvon's lawyer hammers home the point some of us are trying to make:

"The probable cause is that you have the dead body of an unarmed person and there was no crime and there was no reason the police could determine at the scene. That's probable cause. Otherwise, anyone in this country could be shot and killed and the police could just decide in the police station, 'We'll decide whether they go or not.' That's a dangerous precedent, wouldn't you think so Attorney O'Mara?"

www.huffingtonpost.com...

Originally posted by Wildbob77
reply to post by Oannes

 

So, when someone is on top of you beating your head and starts to reach for your gun, you have no right to try to get the gun first?

If the story that Zimmermand told is true, then in my opinion he had every right to defend himself by shooting Travon, the aggressor..

However George looks now, on the night this happened, he wasn't a big, helpless lardass. The photos of him in the police station only hours after his life and death struggle, show an unruffled, relatively trim and stocky individual who could have easily passed as a cartel member, if Trayvon so obviously looked like a gangsta thug.

reply to post by jrod

You facts are skewed. Lets set this straight, the police NEVER told Zimmerman not to pursue, it was a 911 operator and that recommendation means NOTHING in legal terms. How do you know he wasn't committing any crimes, he could have been 'window shopping' looking for unlocked cars when Zimmerman spotted him, I don't know and neither do you.

I never said a thing about a legal obligation regarding the recommendation.

There is absolutely no evidence of a crime being committed by Martin prior to, and during the time that Z was stalking him anyway.

Spare me your speculation, it is pathetic.

The guy was walking home after he went to the store.

No crime was comitted by him, period.

I like your usage of pure fantasy, but I don't think think that specific little fantasy would hold up in court.

The fact is there was a confrontation and Zimmerman has the wounds to prove it

Z was stalking him, not the other way around.

. Another fact is Trayvon was a punk kid who his friends called a hoodlum, he was expelled from school, and was a wanna be gangster. He was no innocent 17 year old kid, that is a fact.


Irrelevant, won't hold up in court. The only thing that is relevant is what he was doing at that time. It should not be hard to understand.

Your arguments for Trayvon are based on emotion NOT facts. I just hope there aren't riots when Zimmerman walks!

Right, you are the one coming up with fantastical scenarios to justify your views. You are talking about riots.

Fear is a strong emotion. It breeds hate.

Obviously.