Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

reply to post by jheated5

Most of you still think a White man chased down and shot a Black child and just started unloading his gun on him for no apparent reason.....

No, I think a hispanic male saw a black male acting suspiciously in his neighborhood and called the police, due to recent burglaries. At this point, he had done his civic duty. Instead, he decided to play cop and pursue the suspect (despite instruction from police dispatch that he did not have to do that), and at this moment, the spirit of the Stand Your Ground law went out the window. He confronted the suspect, who then beat him, and the hispanic male shot the black male in negligent homicide.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by jheated5

 

Most of you still think a White man chased down and shot a Black child and just started unloading his gun on him for no apparent reason.....

No, I think a hispanic male saw a black male acting suspiciously in his neighborhood and called the police, due to recent burglaries. At this point, he had done his civic duty. Instead, he decided to play cop and pursue the suspect (despite instruction from police dispatch to stand down), and at this moment, the spirit of the Stand Your Ground law went out the window. He confronted the suspect, who then beat him, and the hispanic male shot the black male in negligent homicide.

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by jheated5

 

Most of you still think a White man chased down and shot a Black child and just started unloading his gun on him for no apparent reason.....

No, I think a hispanic male saw a black male acting suspiciously in his neighborhood and called the police, due to recent burglaries. At this point, he had done his civic duty. Instead, he decided to play cop and pursue the suspect (despite instruction from police dispatch that he did not have to do that), and at this moment, the spirit of the Stand Your Ground law went out the window. He confronted the suspect, who then beat him, and the hispanic male shot the black male in negligent homicide.

edit on 31-5-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

However, it also appears that Zimmerman actually did break off contact and was going back to his truck when he was ambushed and beaten, thus suggesting that the SYG law may actually apply. Doesn't matter if you talk to someone, follow them a bit, or just give them the old stink-eye...the one who goes physically violent first is the agressor. No cause to beat someone just because you don't like the looks they give you.

Originally posted by Paschar0

While the gun and drugs by themselves don't mean Martin was a thug, together and with other things we know about him, it paints a clear enough picture for me that I know I don't want him or his kind around me or my family.

Now picture him white...and explain to me how one picture of a white 17 year old boy in florida holding a gun or smoking pot...means it was OK he was chased down and killed.

Keep picturing him as white...and tell me it is OK forever in the future...for attorneys to present pictures of anyone in the USA with a gun and say...see...he's a bad person...he deserved to die.

I shot guns and smoked pot by the age of 17. Most boys growing up in rural America can say the same, and a lot of boys growing up in inland Florida can say the same. Holding a gun does not make you a criminal...and smoking pot does not make you a junkie. And none of it makes you deserving of being murdered. I think it's his color that is throwing you off.

reply to post by jheated5

To me GZ sounded pretty scared on the phone with the 911 operator, your truth is only opinion just like everyone elses, including my own.... If I was watching someone in my neighborhood with a loaded weapon I'd be scared as hell too because when carrying a firearm the last thing a person wants to do is get into a confrontation and actually have to use it.....

But that is exactly what he did.

reply to post by jheated5

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

One problem with that.... Martin was committing no crime!
Don't get me wrong, I've got no tears for the dead thug, but you can't just go around killing every idiot wearing baggy pants with their underwear hanging out.

And sadly, even in your rape example, had you intervened and shot the perp, you'd likely STILL be up on vigilante charges. It's your civic duty to call the cops, just a moral duty to intervene.

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Oannes
Can someone explain this. How can Zimmerman claim to be "standing his ground" when he was the aggessor? Thats like saying you come up to me at night asking random questions. I turn around to confront this strange person, but I am somehow the aggressor? Who was really standing there ground? It was Treyvon Martin. Any rational person knows that some stranger approaching you at night, makes them the perpatrator. This govenrnment/media are showing there true colors. You can't be a darker shade, and walk down the street unaccosted.

If someone comes up to you and asks you question and you turn around and talk to him, neither are the agressor. If someone comes up to you and asks questions and you turn around and start beating him, then you are the agressor. Neither the act of following nor asking questions are agression. The act of swinging one's fist is.

So, it doesn't matter in the slightest which party made the most effort to enter the other person's personal space? If Trayvon stood his ground and George continued walking towards him without declaring his intentions, had Trayvon been old enough to legally own a gun, the moment George got within 30ft of Trayvon, if he appeared to be reaching for a concealed weapon, gun advocates would be claiming Trayvon had every right to drop George, but because he's not legally entitled to carry a gun, he has to wait until George actually gets within reach and stabs him before he's allowed to react violently? Seems a bit unfair from where I'm standing.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by jheated5

 

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

One problem with that.... Martin was committing no crime!

Don't get me wrong, I've got no tears for the dead thug, but you can't just go around killing every idiot wearing baggy pants with their underwear hanging out.

And sadly, even in your rape example, had you intervened and shot the perp, you'd likely STILL be up on vigilante charges. It's your civic duty to call the cops, just a moral duty to intervene.

edit on 31-5-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

The only "evidence" we have of Zimmerman confronting Martin is the prosecutors alleged testimony, which is a bunch of baloney anyways... Neither of them committed a crime until someone actually started attacking, if it is proven Zimmerman initiated a fight, I will gladly withdraw all my statements of the past and admit Zimmermans guilt..... This is the only part of the situation we should be taking into consideration...

reply to post by Indigo5


Excellent point. Now imagine these same people that are all for Zimmerman...in this same thread..with the victim being white.

All their arguments would be reversed,,they would be condemning Zimmerman and asking for proof of legal citizenship. They would scream about how he killed a poor innocent boy. If background is brought up..it would be well that has nothing to it..he was innocent and an athlete...his family said he was a good boy..yada yada yada.

Blame the Mexicans and ask for them all to be deported...etc. Would not matter if he was legal and such..they would all be screaming bloody murder.

They assume a young black male out at night must be up to no good. I have read that he was casing the houses..yet no evidence was brought forth saying so..just assumption on their part.

This is about race..they just chose the lighter color of the two perceived evils they see. I once read..that brown is the new black...since blacks have more protection now...at least that's what these people think. In this story...they had to choose...dark or darker..and they picked the side of the lighter fella.

Originally posted by Gazrok
reply to post by jheated5

 

Ever hear of a citzens arrest? If someone is raping a woman in an alley, is it your civic duty to call the cops and watch it happen? or would it be your civic duty to attempt to stop the criminal activity taking place?

One problem with that.... Martin was committing no crime!

Don't get me wrong, I've got no tears for the dead thug, but you can't just go around killing every idiot wearing baggy pants with their underwear hanging out.

And sadly, even in your rape example, had you intervened and shot the perp, you'd likely STILL be up on vigilante charges. It's your civic duty to call the cops, just a moral duty to intervene.

edit on 31-5-2013 by Gazrok because: (no reason given)

Actually in most states you can use deadly force to stop a violent felony. He'd probably get a medal for shooting a rapist in the act outside of New York, Mass, NJ, etc.

Originally posted by IvanAstikov

Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by Oannes
Can someone explain this. How can Zimmerman claim to be "standing his ground" when he was the aggessor? Thats like saying you come up to me at night asking random questions. I turn around to confront this strange person, but I am somehow the aggressor? Who was really standing there ground? It was Treyvon Martin. Any rational person knows that some stranger approaching you at night, makes them the perpatrator. This govenrnment/media are showing there true colors. You can't be a darker shade, and walk down the street unaccosted.

If someone comes up to you and asks you question and you turn around and talk to him, neither are the agressor. If someone comes up to you and asks questions and you turn around and start beating him, then you are the agressor. Neither the act of following nor asking questions are agression. The act of swinging one's fist is.

So, it doesn't matter in the slightest which party made the most effort to enter the other person's personal space? If Trayvon stood his ground and George continued walking towards him without declaring his intentions, had Trayvon been old enough to legally own a gun, the moment George got within 30ft of Trayvon, if he appeared to be reaching for a concealed weapon, gun advocates would be claiming Trayvon had every right to drop George, but because he's not legally entitled to carry a gun, he has to wait until George actually gets within reach and stabs him before he's allowed to react violently? Seems a bit unfair from where I'm standing.

Following someone on a public street is neither illegal nor an immediate threat to life and limb.

You are incorect. Gun advocates would not advocate shooting someone 30 feet away because they "might be reaching for a gun." The perception of a threat to one's life must be real and articulatable.

Yes, you have to wait until you have a real threat before you can defend yourself and no, someone follownig you and giving you the stink-eye is not a real threat. Only thugs attack people for "dissing" them.

reply to post by NavyDoc


This is all completely besides the point, your rape exemple, these pics they found on his phone, all completely irrelevant in this case.

Martin was not armed, and wasn't committing any crimes when this vigilante, who was armed, was stalking him.

I'm digusted to see this many people here that seem all too willing to accept any piece of irrelevant personal information to justify the killing.

I can really sense the hate for this black stereotype.

Almost a sense of vindication.

Again, truly disgusting.

Originally posted by NavyDoc


However, it also appears that Zimmerman actually did break off contact and was going back to his truck when he was ambushed and beaten, thus suggesting that the SYG law may actually apply.

Not sure about this. Just got done reviewing the Wiki summary of evidence and testimony. Zimmerman's testimony to the cops offered two different versions, one where Trayvon "appeared out of nowhere" and "just appeared out of the darkness" another where he said Trayvon "jumped out of the bushes"...and his interview on CNN apparently also differs from the stories he told police. Unfortuantely it looks like there are no living witnesses aside from Zimmerman to who confronted who.

If Zimmerman walks free...Baton down the hatches.
No place in society for Big Bad Zimmerman's..If he had just went back indoors, Trayvon would be alive to eat more skittles and Zimmerman would not be the subject of a unlawful killing trial...end of.

I think I see the problem here. It seems some view GZ as some heroic martyr whose cause was noble and deeds justified. I see only a Barney from Mayberry type character who had no police powers beyond any other citizen looking for trouble and finding it.

Originally posted by NavyDoc
Following someone on a public street is neither illegal nor an immediate threat to life and limb.

If they begin following you in a vehicle and then get out of the vehicle, would that increase or decrease the "immediate threat to life and limb" status?

Originally posted by NavyDoc
You are incorect. Gun advocates would not advocate shooting someone 30 feet away because they "might be reaching for a gun." The perception of a threat to one's life must be real and articulatable.

Let me rephrase it then - gun advocates would admit that a potential attacker with a non-firearm type weapon is an immediate danger even at a distance of 20ft+. Yes, or no?

Originally posted by NavyDoc
Yes, you have to wait until you have a real threat before you can defend yourself and no, someone follownig you and giving you the stink-eye is not a real threat. Only thugs attack people for "dissing" them.

You're quick to believe that Trayvon attacked Zimmerman like a common thug, but you won't entertain the thought that Zimmerman might have tried to make a citizen's arrest on Trayvon, despite it seemingly being a bit of an obsession of his... care to expound on your reasoning?

reply to post by NavyDoc


My point is that the approacher is the aggressor regardless. If I was him I would have started swinging too. I don't know you ,or your motives. Especially at night time . You could be any random psycho. The point is Zimmerman had no right to do what he did. And we can't get Treyvon's side of the story can we?

A question that hasn't been asked here is...Is Zimmerman a Agent for the government..ie...a Grass....

Seems to me someone somewhere is doing there utmost to protect him...If Zimmerman was Black and the dead kid was Hispanic with a Jewish surname i think the whole situation would be somewhat different....just my 2 cents worth...

Another thing i've notice here...someone said.."Dressed like a Thug"...could that person please elaborate....It's just that my son and his friends all wear tracksuits when they are out and about. And as we live in not the best climate they usually have their hoods up....

I just worried he might be a thug like..


Ps....sometimes his butt is hanging out his jeans also...

reply to post by Paschar0


Another thought....If the fact that Trayvon had held a gun in the past (though he was unarmed when killed) or that he smoked pot before should be admissable as evidence..

Should the fact that George Zimmerman has Attention Deficet Disorder and Hyperactivity be allowed?

And takes medication for it?

For that matter...can his version of events be trusted when he couldn't remember the street he lived on?

Zimmerman's statement that he didn't know the name of a street in the Twin Lakes community where he had lived for three years. Zimmerman said in response that he had a bad memory and takes medication for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.

Or how about this...

Zimmerman's ex-fiance filed a restraining order against him, alleging domestic violence

or this?

In 2005, Zimmerman was charged with assaulting a police officer and resisting arrest,

en.wikipedia.org...