Trayvon Martin: Cellphone pics of guns and drugs

reply to post by jheated5


Let me run a hypothetical by you:

Suppose it was your sister that picked up that beer. After which she was unknowingly violated by someone or maybe even multiple someones.

Let's just suppose she wakes up the next morning knowing she had been violated. She is a brave girl, and proceeds to the police station and goes through the motions at the hospital and submits to a rape kit.

The case goes to trial. The defense wants to talk about her past indiscretions and the fact that she wears a push-up bra. Once she swam naked with her friends at a party. It is also well known that she cheated on her boyfriend many times.

Tell me: What does that have to do with her being drugged and violated against her will?

Just something to think about.

Originally posted by GrantedBail
reply to post by jheated5

 

Let me run a hypothetical by you:

Suppose it was your sister that picked up that beer. After which she was unknowingly violated by someone or maybe even multiple someones.

Let's just suppose she wakes up the next morning knowing she had been violated. She is a brave girl, and proceeds to the police station and goes through the motions at the hospital and submits to a rape kit.

The case goes to trial. The defense wants to talk about her past indiscretions and the fact that she wears a push-up bra. Once she swam naked with her friends at a party. It is also well known that she cheated on her boyfriend many times.

Tell me: What does that have to do with her being drugged and violated against her will?

Just something to think about.

Obviously she submitted to a rape kit where there will be DNA evidence and most of the time when that evidence is submitted and the girl is willing to testify then the convicted will go to jail? Surely they do blood tests to see what chemicals are in their systems? Those cases are open and shut..... What is the comparison? The EVIDENCE will override their past because the past is only brought up as a last resort defense....

reply to post by PharaohSmiff


If I were Zimmerman, and I was on the losing end of the fight I would have let him go instead of pulling out a gun. I mean he must have seen the court cases coming, if Trayvon was armed with a knife that would be a different story.

Same thing with the FBI killing of Boston Marathon bomber's friend, they said he attacked first and now he's dead. He was not armed as well so now who will speak for him? Of course the authority who shot him.

Wait a minute I thought many of you would applause Trayvon for having GERNS!..I applaud him for his weed ..
Bottom line Zimmerman killed that kid for walking while black.

So the debate is still ongoing for this... People need to stop deciding who is innocent based on their emotions. 'A innocent teen was killed.' 'A innocent black man.' 'It's a racial hate crime.' Based on Zimmerman's testimony it wouldn't really matter what the color of skin his alleged attacker was. If a white/asian/hispanic guy was beating him into the ground I don't think the race would have made a difference on whether or not he pulled the trigger in self defense as he claims. As for racial profiling leading to him following his suspect... I would be just as suspect of a unknown young white/asian/hispanic in a hoodie walking about at night in an area where repeated theft had been reported. It may be an incorrect assumption but Zimmerman is a guy trying to prevent neighbourhood crime... remember? So you have a guy trying to prevent neighbourhood crime that suddenly becomes a murderer? I don't follow the logic. Unfortunately there is not enough evidence to disprove Zimmermans testimony if he is lying. Nor is there enough evidence to suggest that he is telling the absolute truth. If the black community riots if he gets declared innocent that would be just terrible. This whole situation never should have got so much attention as its hurt peoples feelings and the outcome could have tragic consequences.

So here's what it comes down to:

Anti Zimmerman: Prove it wasnt self defense
Pro Zimmerman: Prove it was

Can anyone seriously do this without their heartstrings impairing judgement. Remember to remove the age gap from your head. It doesnt matter that hes young or black so stop making that the issue. There are plenty of young black youth that get into crime at a early age. Being young and black does not make you innocent. Just like being young and white does not make you innocent. It's just too bad that we can't at least hear his testimony and that a fatality occured that otherwise could have been avoided if a different approach was taken. But it did happen and here we are in the aftermath. I sincerely hope that this is resolved in a just manner for all parties involved and does not escalate into something much worse. I'm sure everybody with a stable mind would agree with me there.

reply to post by blarged


I would like to agree with you Blarged but when you or family members are constantly profiled by renta cops,off duty cops ,wannabe cops ,profiled by any jack in a stand your ground state and shot because they may have terrible fashion sense one tends to be juust a lil bit emotional.

The use of these items are irrelevant, they would actually be used to further enhance a stereotype.

The same stereotype built up in the insecure egotist Zimmerman's mind used to hone in on Trayvon or any other youth that he would have seen that night, the hinge pin on this case has nothing to do with whether Trayvon may have been less than a model teenager, these things he was doing have nothing to do with the facts of the case, nor is the fact he actually almost beat Zimmerman to death for following him, fear and adrenalin drove those actions, nor the fact that previous breakins had happened, the main point is the 911 dispatcher told the trigger happy Zimmerman, do not pursue.

That is going to be the greatest point, Zimmerman put his own life at risk but he really did not care because he was a big man , a big bully urged on by the fact that he was armed and already in his mind probably knew he would bust a cap in any kid fitting his mental stereotype of a troublemaker, Zimmerman in my estimation is going to be convicted for his poor judgement because he is the one that actually precipitated the entire course of events from the point when authorities had already been notified and they conveyed to him do not pursue the kid.

There are too many people rolling around with guns with itchy fingers that would almost use any excuse they could to shoot someone, lets be truthful not all gun owners are qualified or responsible to have one in their possession and not all people have the proper judgement required to own a firearm.

Trayvon stood his ground and too bad he was not armed, Zimmerman pressed the issue and caused the circumstances that led him to murder this teenager in cold blood, plain and simple, no vigilante, no upstanding responsible gun owner protecting his property, far from that.

Originally posted by GrantedBail

If it was a cop that took out a white guy under the same circumstances we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would be all about police brutality. But no, this is a white crazy person who shot an unarmed kid after stalking him.

if it was a cop that took out a white guy it would never have made the news to begin with and we would not be discussing anything related to the case.
If it were anyone who took out a white guy under exact same circumstances there would be nothing to discuss cause it would not have been sensationalized and would have just remained a local case.

This is part of what is wrong in America today....

and no, I am not suggesting that every white guy that gets killed should make national news...I am saying that in our attempt to be colorblind we have slid right on over to only recognizing one color and making tons of excuses for that color. Personal decisions with bad results are no one's fault except society and racism.
Every act of violence against that one color by another color is huge news, while all other "combinations" are not newsworthy. Evidence of rotten cores in our society.
If we were truly colorblind there would be no quotas, there would be no MSM bias, there would be an active discourse on what is wrong in our society regardless of color. As it is now, we cannot speak the truth regarding anything or anyone black without being called racist. We cannot discuss the current status of the poor black community without being called racist. If you discuss the poor black community it must be in the context of providing govt assistance...anything else is racist.

Originally posted by phinubian
these things he was doing have nothing to do with the facts of the case, nor is the fact he actually almost beat Zimmerman to death for following him, fear and adrenalin drove those actions, nor the fact that previous breakins had happened, the main point is the 911 dispatcher told the trigger happy Zimmerman, do not pursue.


Trayvon stood his ground and too bad he was not armed, Zimmerman pressed the issue and caused the circumstances that led him to murder this teenager in cold blood, plain and simple, no vigilante, no upstanding responsible gun owner protecting his property, far from that.

I was unaware that you were there inside Trayvon's head while all this took place, and simultaneously was monitoring Zimmerman's thoughts.

This adds a whole new dimension to the case, now that we know beyond the shadow of any doubt what each individual was thinking. Zimmerman was trigger happy, this we know(?) and Trayvon stood his ground.

It's nice to know that Zimmerman was in the wrong even if he had been "almost beat to death".




I agree that Zimmerman had some culpability with regards to his response to the 911 operators request that he not pursue, however all the rest of this post is nothing but sheer conjecture with an obvious bias presented as fact.

Those who are saying that Trevon's character has nothing to do with the case are wrong. If this cannot be presented in a court than neither can anything be presented regarding Zimmerman's past which might show frame of mind and motive.

Originally posted by peashooter
especially when he was unarmed and did not have any weed on him.

He was armed with his own fists ... and there wasn't weed on him because he smoked it all.
The evidence of drug use was in his bloodstream.
Which ... of course ... was blocked by the courts from being heard in the trial. :shk:

Originally posted by DZAG Wright

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Sankari

 

It's hardly that clear. If only it were, it wouldn't have gotten this far, either way. The contention as I understood it by police reports and such at the time is a fairly basic one. Zimmerman and Martin got into a physical conflict (The precise start of is a primary question here), Zimmerman's gun became exposed at some point and fight was on for life and death as soon as that item came into clear view. At least that is how I distinctly recall reading the reports before the trucks of spin came to dump all over what actually happened.

I'm hoping a great deal more becomes clear at trial. We'll see. In a way, it's good that it's going to trial and by the sound of it, Zimmerman may take the stand in his own defense? Well, if this was all bad, he'll get torn apart by good attorneys. This trial will tell, I'd say.

If the part you say is correct, as I've also figured, George is finished. I'm licensed to carry in Florida and a big no no which will get you convicted is allowing someone to see your gun or even informing them you have one.

Be sure to consider what I mentioned in my next post as well though. As far as I've heard in MSM, it's conflicting as to whether Zimmerman was leaving and Martin already noticed him to have a confrontation or whether he pursued him into a confrontation. I think the difference is homicide vs. justifiable shooting.

You're right though and Missouri law works the same way. You cannot have done anything to have instigated or caused a confrontation to happen....especially not against specific police advice, I'm sure. If someone does? The CCW and civil liability immunity no longer apply and you're guilty of crimes for what follows in all likelihood. It should be interesting to see how clearly the physical evidence shows how that happened, one way or the other?

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The fact Zimmerman had some bleeding that night doesn't prove that Trayvon was the aggressor,

The fact that Martin is dead doesn't prove that he's the victim.
The Boston bomber died .. and he was the perp.



As I've said on other threads ... if Zimmermans alleged past is to be brought up .. then so should Martins behavior ... the drugs; the truancy from school; the fact that his mother kicked him out of the house for bad behavior; the school finding stolen goods and 'screwdrivers' in his locker and in his backpack; and his self professing to be a 'gangsta'. If Zimmerman is automatically guilty because of alleged past bad behavior .. then Martins CURRENT (at the time of the shooting) bad and illegal behavior is relevant as well. Same/same.

Originally posted by WaterBottle
I'm not even going to argue with you all. It's the same old tired arguments trying to make Zimmerman look like a great guy just protecting himself.

You wanna bring up Trayvon's past while ignoring Zimmerman's, which is a wife beater and cop assaulter. You also want to ignore he changed his story over and over again to make himself look good.

Go on living your miserable hate filled lives.

Bye!

Its because they are all delusional!!!

lets see...A wife beater/ cop assaulter vs wanna be thug/ pothead????

Originally posted by PharaohSmiff
i dont mean to alarm anybody but im a young black male and i have pics in my phone of guns and me at the shooting range i also have pics of Bob Marley and marijuana leaves even though i dont actually smoke it myself and im not just saying that to prove my point i live in the south Ga to be specific i sometimes walk to the store and youthful/urban/thug apparel so reading some of your post i also deserved to be murdered

Hey man I am white and I love my hoodies. I am not a huge gun fan but I love my 50 pound compound bow. I have been told I look like a hippie, a biker, and a criminal. I have no criminal record and I never have. Guess I better take my place next to you in the firing line. No blind fold please.

I don't think GZ even cared all that much about TM's color to be honest. The man was out hunting for a confrontation and if it wasn't TM I can almost grantee it would have been someone else. The man was a time bomb waiting to explode.

Text you do realize zimmermen got out of his truck with a loaded weapon, chased after martin, and shot him after getting into a struggle with him....all of which is illegal and was told by the police over the phone not to do? .....so that means you have the moral authority to go out and shoot any black person in a hoody walking in your neighborhood because he looks like a thug and therefore "suspicious"

reply to post by jimmyx


No I do not realize what you have just posted. Yes, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a concealed legal fire arm. He was not brandishing the firearm in any conceivable manner and it was his job to neighborhood watch. In other words he was legitimate in watching for any suspicious acting (not looking) characters. That was his job that he received no pay or reward for doing. By the way neighborhood watch is a very honorable giving of ones time and morality. The black communities should try it all over America and help reduce crime in their own neighborhoods.

After Zimmerman was told to cease his inquiry of this hoody (as you call him) he was returning to his vehicle when he was challenged by this little child (Obama's wannabe son) and through this confrontation the struggle happened. Now you and the black populace seem to believe that all of this was racial. Why would you come to that conclusion? Do you actually think that Zimmerman pulled his big gun out and murdered a little black boy who was hop scotching from the quick store with his tea and crumpets? That is what you want to believe and no matter what the truth is that is what you will always believe.

This is why this country is in the shape that it is in. Racial bigotry can only be the fault of white people. Not Spanish or Oriental, or Indian, or any other race. Just the rotten ole white guy. This is why hatred is rampant in this country and it will only get worse if people such as yourself will continue your hatred of anything that is not black. If this were a black on black then you would not hear a peep from people such as yourself. Perhaps you had best re evaluate your thinking in life.

The latest stats of interracial crimes between blacks and whites committed last year are in the neighborhood of 770,000 - - 85% of those crimes are black against white and 15% are of white against black. But you don't even mention that fact and neither does your NAACP or black panthers or crazy Calypso Louie. All they can do is stir up people such as yourself who will never admit the truth. I could go on and on but that would only be a waste of my time and certainly yours.

Originally posted by bbracken677

Originally posted by GrantedBail

If it was a cop that took out a white guy under the same circumstances we wouldn't be having this conversation. It would be all about police brutality. But no, this is a white crazy person who shot an unarmed kid after stalking him.

if it was a cop that took out a white guy it would never have made the news to begin with and we would not be discussing anything related to the case.
If it were anyone who took out a white guy under exact same circumstances there would be nothing to discuss cause it would not have been sensationalized and would have just remained a local case.

This is part of what is wrong in America today....

and no, I am not suggesting that every white guy that gets killed should make national news...I am saying that in our attempt to be colorblind we have slid right on over to only recognizing one color and making tons of excuses for that color. Personal decisions with bad results are no one's fault except society and racism.
Every act of violence against that one color by another color is huge news, while all other "combinations" are not newsworthy. Evidence of rotten cores in our society.
If we were truly colorblind there would be no quotas, there would be no MSM bias, there would be an active discourse on what is wrong in our society regardless of color. As it is now, we cannot speak the truth regarding anything or anyone black without being called racist. We cannot discuss the current status of the poor black community without being called racist. If you discuss the poor black community it must be in the context of providing govt assistance...anything else is racist.

Lemme chin check you real quick...

It became a big story because a man (race doesn't matter) shot a minor (race doesn't matter) and the police allowed him to keep his gun and go home! Taking his word and then making the comment that George was let go because he was a clean cut college graduate.

When I heard THAT, is when I begun paying attention!

I had heard of the case but thought so what. However when I heard the above details is when my face screwed up and I begun following the case.

So no it's not because George is white and Trayvon black. Black males are shot by white guys everyday as we all know.

For me the clencher was the "clean, college graduate" versus "young, black male" so clean-cut, college graduate is given the benfit of the doubt.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
The fact Zimmerman had some bleeding that night doesn't prove that Trayvon was the aggressor,

The fact that Martin is dead doesn't prove that he's the victim.
The Boston bomber died .. and he was the perp.



As I've said on other threads ... if Zimmermans alleged past is to be brought up .. then so should Martins behavior ... the drugs; the truancy from school; the fact that his mother kicked him out of the house for bad behavior; the school finding stolen goods and 'screwdrivers' in his locker and in his backpack; and his self professing to be a 'gangsta'. If Zimmerman is automatically guilty because of alleged past bad behavior .. then Martins CURRENT (at the time of the shooting) bad and illegal behavior is relevant as well. Same/same.

If both guys past are allowed...that fries Zimmerman even more! His past is documented and he's an adult.

Originally posted by Spider879
reply to post by blarged

 

I would like to agree with you Blarged but when you or family members are constantly profiled by renta cops,off duty cops ,wannabe cops ,profiled by any jack in a stand your ground state and shot because they may have terrible fashion sense one tends to be juust a lil bit emotional.

edit on 31-5-2013 by Spider879 because: (no reason given)

What happened to that man drinking tea? I haven't seen or heard anything...maybe it was because the video was made popular from Worldstarhiphop and other gawker type websites and we all know they don't try to embellish things or give you only half the story.

Originally posted by Seede

Text you do realize zimmermen got out of his truck with a loaded weapon, chased after martin, and shot him after getting into a struggle with him....all of which is illegal and was told by the police over the phone not to do? .....so that means you have the moral authority to go out and shoot any black person in a hoody walking in your neighborhood because he looks like a thug and therefore "suspicious"

reply to post by jimmyx

 

No I do not realize what you have just posted. Yes, Zimmerman got out of his vehicle with a concealed legal fire arm. He was not brandishing the firearm in any conceivable manner and it was his job to neighborhood watch. In other words he was legitimate in watching for any suspicious acting (not looking) characters. That was his job that he received no pay or reward for doing. By the way neighborhood watch is a very honorable giving of ones time and morality. The black communities should try it all over America and help reduce crime in their own neighborhoods.

How do you know he didn't brandish the firearm? The neighborhood watch states he was not amember also. How do you know black communities do not have neighborhood watches?

After Zimmerman was told to cease his inquiry of this hoody (as you call him) he was returning to his vehicle when he was challenged by this little child (Obama's wannabe son) and through this confrontation the struggle happened. Now you and the black populace seem to believe that all of this was racial. Why would you come to that conclusion? Do you actually think that Zimmerman pulled his big gun out and murdered a little black boy who was hop scotching from the quick store with his tea and crumpets? That is what you want to believe and no matter what the truth is that is what you will always believe.

Have you seen the diagram of the event? I suppose Trayvon because he was black and immature didn't have the right to be concerned about a adult male following him? The "Obama's wannabe son" part shows your bias. It doesn't have to be about race even, in my eyes first and foremost a young, adult male had to shoot a minor.

This is why this country is in the shape that it is in. Racial bigotry can only be the fault of white people. Not Spanish or Oriental, or Indian, or any other race. Just the rotten ole white guy. This is why hatred is rampant in this country and it will only get worse if people such as yourself will continue your hatred of anything that is not black. If this were a black on black then you would not hear a peep from people such as yourself. Perhaps you had best re evaluate your thinking in life.

We would hear a peep if a black adult male shot a minor and the investigating police allowed the adult to leave WITH his gun simply because he had been to college. There is a history of things of this nature happening in this country to the benefit of white males. Fortunately, society is attempting to better itself and correct errors while leveling the playing fields. Some, such as yourself apparently, don't approve of this. You yearn for the days when you were automatically given the benefit of the doubt due to race.

The latest stats of interracial crimes between blacks and whites committed last year are in the neighborhood of 770,000 - - 85% of those crimes are black against white and 15% are of white against black. But you don't even mention that fact and neither does your NAACP or black panthers or crazy Calypso Louie. All they can do is stir up people such as yourself who will never admit the truth. I could go on and on but that would only be a waste of my time and certainly yours.

I will admit that a majority of crimes now may possibly be black against white. And this is wrong if true. Though one can argue it's all karma and relative. The ancestors of some white people put black people in the position they're in through segregation and racism. They made monsters of some black people and are now afraid of the monsters they created.

So I am getting this vibe from the GZ supporters that a 911 operator isnt the same as the police? Okay your right but they do communicate directly with the police, fire, and ambulance services. I am confused as to why GZ didn't do exactly as the 911 operator said?

Do you think that the jury will ignore the fact that he ignored a 911 operator?