Are Native Americans Considered Foreigners in America?

Genocided people from the past ; Native Indians and Native Caucasians

reply to post by luciddream


You sure it wasn't Asians who came first? How about the Polynesians? America, South, Central and North, is a big continent and it wasn't a country until 1776.

reply to post by masqua


Yeah its probably south East Asian or it might be North east Asians, but they never made the land into a country, they were just free roaming. First nation people are still a evidence minority as well.

There is also a claim Native Americans might be descendents of North East Asians and another native tribe of American... and on and on... and on..

It's important to remember that actual history traces back further than recorded history. We do not really know who the true aboriginals of North America were (the ones that were there first). This logic can be applied to many parts of the world where there are disputes about who the genuine natives happen to be.

It seems there is a tendency to "allow history to reset" to the population before White Europeans settle in for some reason.

On Going US Government (White European scum) genocide on Native Lakotah Tribe (facts, movie, pic, current data):

Lakotah men have a life expectancy of less than 44 years, lowest of any country in the World (excluding AIDS) including Haiti. Lakotah death rate is the highest in the United States. The Lakotah infant mortality rate is 300% more than the U.S. Average. One out of every four Lakotah children born are fostered or adopted out to non-Indian homes. Diseases such as tuberculosis, polio, etc. are present. Cancer is now at epidemic proportions! Teenage suicide rate is 150% higher than the U.S national average for this group.

The Tuberculosis rate on Lakotah reservations is approx. 800% higher than the U.S national average. Cervical cancer is 500% higher than the U.S national average. The rate of diabetes is 800% higher than the U.S national average. Federal Commodity Food Program provides high sugar foods that kill Native people through diabetes and heart disease.

Only 14% of the Lakotah population can speak the Lakotah language. The language is not being shared inter-generationally. Today, the average age of a fluent Lakotah speaker is 65 years. Our Lakotah language is an Endangered Language, on the verge of extinction. Our Lakotah language is not allowed to be taught in the U.S. Government schools.

Indian children incarceration rate 40% higher than whites. In South Dakota, 21 percent of state prisoners are American Indians, yet they only make up 2% of the population. Indians have the second largest state prison incarceration rate in the nation. Most Indians live on federal reservations. Less than 2% of Indians live where the state has jurisdiction!

More than half the Reservation’s adults battle addiction and disease. Alcoholism affects 9 in 10 families. Two known meth-amphetamine labs allowed to continue operation. Why?

Elderly die each winter from hypothermia (freezing). 1/3 of the homes lack basic clean water and sewage while 40% lack electricity. 60% of Reservation families have no telephone. 60% of housing is infected with potentially fatal black molds. There is an estimated average of 17 people living in each family home. Many have only two to three rooms. Some homes, built for 6 to 8 people, have up to 30 people living in them.

Unemployment rates on our reservations are 80% or higher. Government funding for job creation is lost through cronyism and corruption.

Median income is approximately $2,600 to $3,500 per year. 97% of our Lakotah people live below the poverty line. Many families cannot afford heating oil, wood or propane and many residents use ovens to heat their homes.

Source
ETA: They had enough and are going to the UN now.
Lakotah to file genocide claim on US at UN

They were stopped by security guards...sound familiar?

Everyone but white people are considered "foreigners" in the US.

Hence why you'll hear "Go back to Africa, Mexico, etc." comments but you'll never hear "Go back to Europe".

Originally posted by juniperberryAnd the only reason we can no longer analyze Kennewick man to determine native ancestry is because a clan claimed him a couple of decades ago and gave him a "proper burial". Which means we no longer have access to him. So whether he was caucasian or not is also a moot point. But it wouldn't have proved that Caucasians were here "natively" anyway.

Wrong. Kennewick Man was not repatriated via NAPGRA and is, in fact, still in the possession of the US Army Corp of Engineers and is being stored by the Burke Museum. It wasn't even "decades ago" as you claim as the remains were discovered in 1996--a mere 17 years ago. The court case where the 4 tribes lost was in 2004--not even yet a decade ago.

www.burkemuseum.org...

Kennewick Man was found to be most closely related to the Moriori.
www.flickriver.com...
www.moriori.co.nz...

Also, just a further general fyi, the Ainu, who is the group from which the Moriori are descended are not caucasoid but have been found to be Mongoloid. Some Nat Am genetics are Mongoloid but most of the time they are considered to be from Siberia or Central Asia. Funny story but when my daughter (half Nat Am) was but a few days old, I was horrified to spot what looked like a bruise on her tail bone. I was quickly assured that it was no injury but just a "Mongolian blue spot" which is very common among infants of Asian descent.

Originally posted by Youareallschizophrenic
American Native Aborigines are foreigners.

Technically everybody is a foreigner everywhere except Africa, where human life began. Even Europeans aren't native to that continent. They were just people from the Middle East who migrated over the Caucasus mountains.

There's so much history we don't know because it has been intentionally destroyed and down played.

History and populace of N. America goes back alot further than 12,000 years!

Originally posted by DZAG Wright
There's so much history we don't know because it has been intentionally destroyed and down played. History and populace of N. America goes back a lot further than 12,000 years!

True, and with the introduction of proof, this has entered the mainstream...which is how science is supposed to work. Mind you, the Anishnaabe have oral tradition that pre-dates the last ice age. Nice to see we're catching up.

reply to post by IntrinsicMotivation


I reciently did a thread, which recieve little notice, about the NATIVE AMERICANS, well Native Americans and our Government. I feel sad for them regularly, but I'm not willing to go back to the way things were and, really, no one else is either. Some people look down on them because they are tired of being, basically harassed, about something that happened hundreds of years ago. I feel bad for what happened to them, but I wont apologize for something that I didn't have anything to do with.

Look at the Treaty (in the link above) that was signed by the Native Americans. 80 stacks and some horses and BOOM now you got to leave. People who don't learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

MOTF!

reply to post by MessOnTheFED!There is a bad Indian stereotype. There is a romanticised Indian stereotype. Both are harmful. While I do not support a paternalistic government administration per se (and I do speak from a Canadian context), what I do support is a couple of generations of health, education and good self-leadership. We (non-natives) do not need to spend more...we need to spend smarter. And consultation with the First Nations is critical.

I know quite a few Native Americans. My GGM and GGF were pure blood from different tribes,
Their children my (my GM) had to choose between one tribe or the other and were therefore
considered half-breeds--even though they actually were 100% Native.

I've never encountered anyone who believed I was foreign when told of my heritage. Usually
I will only bring it up only to counter some hypocritical racist schmuck who is on a rant about having
all the Mexicans to go back to Mexico--usually leaves them speechless and then they suddenly
realize they are late for some appointment or some-such.

But generally most times when my ancestry is brought up people want to know if I have an "Indian"
name, (Dark Sky Rain--picked it myself, just for the romantic aspect) or they will want to talk
about their heritage and tell me how they have Native blood but one of their ancestors forgot
some detail or missed something and therefore they can't legally claim to be a Native.

As to the health issues, my great uncle lived to 104, my GM to 99...and I haven't been to the doctor,
been ill, or taken medication since the eighties...so maybe that's another tribe's problems, or maybe
I just got lucky and was born into a healthy body for this ride thru life we are all experiencing together...

To those who feel bad for what happened to the Natives: that was in the past. Remember what
happened, but don't feel responsible.....and

By way of reparations, I am one Native American who is quite happy to be exempt from Obama-Care.
Thank you for that...oh and by the way the WindStar Casino has just added a new golf course...
Come try your luck

reply to post by HelenConway

I am not making excuses but I do not think they deliberately set out to clash with the native people - In fact I thought in Jamestown there was evidence to show they collaborated initially with each other ?

I think it was quite deliberate.

The Siege of Fort Pitt took place in 1763 in what is now the city of Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, United States. The siege was a part of Pontiac's Rebellion, an effort by American Indians to drive the British out of the Ohio Country and back across the Appalachian Mountains. The Indian effort to capture Fort Pitt ultimately failed.

And an early recorded example of biological warfare....

On June 29, 1763, a week after the siege began, Bouquet was preparing to lead an expedition to relieve Fort Pitt when he received a letter from Amherst making the following proposal: "Could it not be contrived to send the smallpox among the disaffected tribes of Indians? We must on this occasion use every stratagem in our power to reduce them."

Bouquet agreed, writing back to Amherst on July 13, 1763: "I will try to inoculate the bastards with some blankets that may fall into their hands, and take care not to get the disease myself." Amherst responded favorably on July 16, 1763: "You will do well to inoculate the Indians by means of blankets, as well as every other method that can serve to extirpate this execrable race.

reply to post by christina-66


Christina - you may have missed the point here,

I was talking about the early colonists - from the 1500s, early 1600s. Maybe you did not realise that that was when American colonists first arrived from England ?

You are talking 100s of years ahead.

Just to recap you

In 1585, Sir Walter Raleigh set up a an English colony of about 100 men on the east coast of North America, on land he named Virginia after Queen Elizabeth I. They lasted a year before returning home.

In 1587, Raleigh made a second attempt at settling a colony at Roanoke, Virginia. The supply ships sent to the colony never arrived and in 1590 when help did come, evidence of the existence of the entire colony had disappeared except for the word “Croatan” inscribed on a post.

They are known as th e'lost colony'

Then the English settled Jamestown in about 1605 - I think - Americans please correct me if I am wrong?

Originally posted by Youareallschizophrenic

You are wrong! Clovis Culture were Europeans that migrated to this continent Over 12,000 Years before the wave of migrants from Asia. Does it bother you that the Caucasoid Race were here first and this is their Continent and they just repopulated what was rightfully theirs?

edit on 30-5-2013 by Youareallschizophrenic because: (no reason given)

You sir are most definitely a part of the 42% mentioned in my op.

I am glad you are posting this type of thought here.

So I guess the whole world belongs to white people. After all they have gone around the world killing and enslaving and assimilating people in some form, shape, or way. Then on top of that, the anglo’s stole traditions from these other cultures throughout their conquest and adapted them as their own.

Native Americans never get any recognition by public education and the government. If the US leaders continue to think like you I guess I can expect a “White Out” of all people’s history whose skin is not white somewhere down the line.

Do you believe in the blue eyed white Jesus too?

Originally posted by Xaphan

Originally posted by Youareallschizophrenic
American Native Aborigines are foreigners.

Technically everybody is a foreigner everywhere except Africa, where human life began. Even Europeans aren't native to that continent. They were just people from the Middle East who migrated over the Caucasus mountains.

I think that people are probably focusing way too much on genetics when the fact of the matter is that we arrived, nearly wiped out a number of tribes due to technological superiority, killed many through exposure to old world diseases such as small pox (sometimes intentionally), and then finally ripped the surviving children from their homes to shove them in boarding schools where they were beaten if they spoke their language and had their hair cut off. They were still doing that last bit 40-50 years ago. You also have the Long Walk, the Trail of Tears and other forced marches along with the displacement of many tribes (to the best of my knowledge, the Navajo were the only tribe returned to their native lands) from their homelands in which they were accustomed and familiar with to frequently the worst places to live in the United States. They were forced to basically drop their traditional customs of providing for themselves and their families, to drop migratory patterns, and in some cases, forced to take names when the tribal tradition forbade the giving of names. And that still barely scratches the surface of what we did and still do to the tribes. Water rights, mineral rights, deprivation of monies being stored by the federal government in trusts for the sales of the former (I think that some native americans finally started getting some settlements off of that), and housing shortages because the BIA controls the lands on the reservations. On the Navajo rez to basically help resolve a massive housing shortage out there, the tribe actually was forced to buy private land within the Navajo reservation (had been formerly a gift to a member of the US Calvary around the late 19th century in order to develop it into a residential area because the BIA was doing nothing. That one tribe alone was suffering a shortage of about 100,000 dwellings by some projections.

Next time somebody wants to complain about whether or not the Native Americans are given too much regard, I invite you to go visit one. I never saw so much poverty in my life. On the Navajo rez, there are still people without running water, electricity and gas. Even cellular service is so limited out there that my daughter's grandparents have to drive about 5 miles down the road to the grocery store parking lot to call her. We basically created third world countries in the middle of the USA.

Originally posted by Youareallschizophrenic

Site my sources?? This is common knowledge and if you want to know more I suggest you do the research as I will not spoon feed you knowledge.

I provided scholarly sources for you to research.

As for you comment about this being common knowledge, I cannot recall ever hearing about this in public schools or college.

If your theory of Whites being here first is correct I can guarantee you that they would be making it known in some public education History class as a way to justify the past.

I have no harsh feelings to people of any color unless you mean me harm. What I cannot grasp is the way that white people treated fellow white people that migrated to America in the in the 1800’s and 1900’s.

Originally posted by WaterBottle
Everyone but white people are considered "foreigners" in the US.

Hence why you'll hear "Go back to Africa, Mexico, etc." comments but you'll never hear "Go back to Europe".

I was wondering when someone would contribute this concept to the thread.

As sad as it sounds, even in the year 2013, this is commonplace in America
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If only I was registered as white, then I might have better opportunities…..

Can someone please tell me what country I am supposed to move back to? It has been made obvious that minorities are not welcome here. I guess we are to much of a burden on the system, but it was ok for minorities and immigrants to build this Nation, now there is no use for us……

Originally posted by HelenConway
reply to post by christina-66

 

Christina - you may have missed the point here,
I was talking about the early colonists - from the 1500s, early 1600s.
You are talking 100s of years ahead.

Not really. According to John Smith's own writings, when the very first settlers to Jamestown arrived and were starting to starve, he basically threatened the local tribe, the Powahatan, with military force if the natives did not assist them. He also called them barbarians but during the "starving time", it was the colonists that were engaging in cannibalism.

Nay, so great was our famine, that a Salvage we slew, and buried, the poorer sort tooke him up againe and eat him, and so did divers one another boyled and stewed with roots and herbs: And one amongst the rest did kill his wife, powdered her, and had eaten part of her before it was knowne, for which hee was executed, as hee well deserved; now whether shee was better roasted, boyled or carbonado’d, I know not, but of such a dish as powdered wife I never heard of.

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