Concerned Officials Warn: “North Korea Could Explode a High-Altitude Nuclear Device Over the Unite

North Korea isn't likely to attack anyone but South Korea .. they are all about pounding their chests to keep their local population thinking they are legitimate .. that's why they restrict them from accessing the internet to find the truth.

They have a LONG history of idle threats.. the regime is very interested in staying in power and I think they realize that any attack would result in their complete destruction.

Keep in mind that even if they wiped out the entire united states ( laughingly absurd notion ) .. they'd still be destroyed as a result because we have nuclear capable subs and military installations all over the globe.. retaliation would be imminent and way more devastating than anything they could handle... I think they know this.

Originally posted by ElohimJD

Originally posted by clearmind
ok people, so now we are afraid of n. korea...what ever happened to iran? you remember that country..just a few short weeks a go it was an immentant threat to the u.s. and all of the middle east.....now we are talking about iraq...err, i meant afganistan...no no no...it was libya, thats it ..it was yeman..err i mean n.korea...oh wait...im confused now...who are we suppose to be afraid of now??......oh, now i remember.......'all enemies forgien AND DOMESTIC'.......

the public is being played like a well tuned fiddle ..i wonder what the next country...err...tune will be....

sit back relax..enjoy the next threat that will be played for you

North Korean scientists found trapped in an Iranian nuclear facility after an explosion...
Both countries have small scale nuclear devices...
Both countries have Yono Class mini submarine units capible of carrying small scale nuclear devices undetected underwater...

If anyone is solely focussing on NK at this time they are foolish. These two nations are working together, using identical technology (small scale nuclear devices transported via Yono Class submarines) to accomplish a common goal.

Don't let the right hand distract you from what the left hand is doing. This is a joint opperation, with NK serving as the MASSIVE distraction focussing US detterance to take an air ICBM stance (worried about the skies) while under the sea the real threat slowly makes its way to US port cities, where this exact submarine unit was successful tested by China in 2010 (San Francisco Bay) as being able to remain in US waters for several days undetected.

God Bless,

Even if that's true, and I believe it could be actually .. I don't think Iran or North Korea have any interest in firing .. Iran is the bigger threat though because it's rooted in religious motives.. but I think both countries realize that any attack would end in their destruction.. People tend to forget that the US military is scattered around the world with bases in many countries.. naval fleets, submarines with nukes on board.. etc.. Any attack on the US like that would result in annihilation .. so in essence, firing a nuke at the US is akin to shooting yourself in the head.. They know that, I'm sure.. they just want to be allowed in on that game to assure their own security via mutually assured destruction.. no nuke or EMP would take out the entire US armed forces around the world.. and there's a ton of them out there.

The US and Russia were smart in their game by deploying things around the globe to insure the ability to retaliate even if the home land was obliterated

Originally posted by ManFromEurope

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by ManFromEurope
Afraid of EMPs? Use a surge protector - *bam* your house and its electronic devices are protected.

Of course, the electric grid will fail. No hopes for that one, the power cables leading to your home are simply too long and will get "fed" with too much inductive energy, producing enormous ampere.

I'm hoping your post is in jest.........

If not, have a read:

EMPs

It takes a bit more than a surge protector to protect sensitive electronic equipment from a nuclear EMP.

It is not a jest, of course! Induktion strong enough to destroy your electronics by an EMP needs length of conductive materials, much larger than in your house. If you protect your house with a surge protector and a good, solid electrical grounding, there is nothing to worry.

Next time, actually READ the link I give you:

The E1 pulse is the very fast component of nuclear EMP. The E1 component is a very brief but intense electromagnetic field that can quickly induce very high voltages in electrical conductors. The E1 component causes most of its damage by causing electrical breakdown voltages to be exceeded. E1 is the component that can destroy computers and communications equipment and it changes too quickly for ordinary lightning protectors to provide effective protection against it.

EMP

Having spent several decades now repairing electronic and electrical equipment, I'm here to tell you that a surge protector is not a free pass to never having your electronic or electrical equipment be damaged.

Wait would it hit canada and mexico too? Wont they get mad too?

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Echtelion

 

you must have missed the news a few months ago. NK has one up there right now! NORAD did not shoot it down. you dont need a ICBM. you just need to get it in orbit and they know how to do it. once in orbit it can travel the world 100 times fold.

here it is in real time

www.n2yo.com...

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

what do you know, its ALTITUDE is 340 miles up. Not saying its a Nuke, but they know how to get a nuke 340 miles up now.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Actually what they know how to do right now is get a 220 pound object into LEO.

That's all they know how to do.

The satellite itself is tumbling (spinning round) out of control. The orbit of it is stable enough to last years.

However, as I said in an earlier post, if you are going to use a satellite to do something, you can't have it tumbling. When it's tumbling like that, it can't keep telemetry with the ground controllers, nor can you do controlled burns to do a controlled deorbit.

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Echtelion

 

you must have missed the news a few months ago. NK has one up there right now! NORAD did not shoot it down. you dont need a ICBM. you just need to get it in orbit and they know how to do it. once in orbit it can travel the world 100 times fold.

here it is in real time

www.n2yo.com...

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

what do you know, its ALTITUDE is 340 miles up. Not saying its a Nuke, but they know how to get a nuke 340 miles up now.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

WHAAAAAT???

OMGWTFBBQ you're right...


How the hell can NORAD allow a satellite from an formally hostile foreign country... Obviously it's at least a spy satellite. I thought they had a policy against these!

Originally posted by eriktheawful
Having spent several decades now repairing electronic and electrical equipment, I'm here to tell you that a surge protector is not a free pass to never having your electronic or electrical equipment be damaged.

The best example I had to deal with as an electronics tech was Governors Island, NYC. Coast Guard brick village housing. A mega bolt struck one of the backstops on the softball field near by (1981). Everyones UNPLUGGED TVs and radios for hundreds of yards around were blown out, mine included. Sucked for about 800 families but the exchange started making big money the next day.

ETA school on the island where I worked had a ton of trainers and lab equipment blowed up.

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Echtelion

 

you must have missed the news a few months ago. NK has one up there right now! NORAD did not shoot it down. you dont need a ICBM. you just need to get it in orbit and they know how to do it. once in orbit it can travel the world 100 times fold.

here it is in real time

www.n2yo.com...

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

what do you know, its ALTITUDE is 340 miles up. Not saying its a Nuke, but they know how to get a nuke 340 miles up now.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Actually what they know how to do right now is get a 220 pound object into LEO.

That's all they know how to do.

The satellite itself is tumbling (spinning round) out of control. The orbit of it is stable enough to last years.

However, as I said in an earlier post, if you are going to use a satellite to do something, you can't have it tumbling. When it's tumbling like that, it can't keep telemetry with the ground controllers, nor can you do controlled burns to do a controlled deorbit.

With a rocket in its butt and basic computer navigation system, why can't it tumble back to the Earth at any given time? There's a guy not long ago who parachuted himself from low orbit... I don't see how a satellite can't push itself back into the atmosphere, if properly equipped.

But it can be just a spy satellite too.

reply to post by 0zzymand0s


Invasion please, with the amount of personal weapon's the population of the US has good luck...I am a Marine and I have the same or similar weapons at home... Colt 45 1911, AR10, .308 AICS 2.0 stock with NightVision scope all for hunting pig or hogs !

With regard to airstrike, good luck again as I believe F22's are resistant if not immune to EMP...

"The effects of an EMP on the Raptor are classified"

Sorry no link as its classified...

Marine Sniper

Originally posted by Glinda
Though I don't think the NORKS have the technology to carry out a massive EMP, they possibly could hit our my Japan or even Hawaii. EMPs as stated earlier in the thread, are all not created equally...but even a localized one, say over Hawaii could easily causeways of life. Think of the number of planes in the air at any given moment (would they be able to stay airborne or have any controls to land); vehicles (built after the mid 1970s) would stop. Cell phones, land lines, radio, TV, Internet--all gone in an instant. Transformers would blow. Only communication would be tube radios. Credit cards and ATMS would not work. No power on the local grid...it just goes on and on.

A scary work of fiction, concerning a massive EMP is "One Second After." It chronicals the downfall of society (in addition to the mechanical malfunctions). It is well written and will be hard to forget when you read news stories like this involving a despot like Jong-un. As an aside, the preface to the book was written by Newt Gingrich, who served on Congressional committees versed in the danger. His "insider" acknowledgment is a real eye openner.

I absolutely love this book. Althought it is fiction, I believe it paints a very accurate portrait of the time immediately following a High Altitude burst attack. I recommend it as a must read to anyone.

I can't believe the naivety on this subject. Those of you who say there will be no food shortages, etc. etc. Almost all food is now produced in some way by power. Or at the very least is transported to it's final destination by power. Trains.....nope. When is the last time you saw a steam powered train? They are all electric here. This would CRIPPLE any country it hit, it would take years to recover and there would be MASS casualties.

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Echtelion

 

you must have missed the news a few months ago. NK has one up there right now! NORAD did not shoot it down. you dont need a ICBM. you just need to get it in orbit and they know how to do it. once in orbit it can travel the world 100 times fold.

here it is in real time

www.n2yo.com...

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

what do you know, its ALTITUDE is 340 miles up. Not saying its a Nuke, but they know how to get a nuke 340 miles up now.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Actually what they know how to do right now is get a 220 pound object into LEO.

That's all they know how to do.

The satellite itself is tumbling (spinning round) out of control. The orbit of it is stable enough to last years.

However, as I said in an earlier post, if you are going to use a satellite to do something, you can't have it tumbling. When it's tumbling like that, it can't keep telemetry with the ground controllers, nor can you do controlled burns to do a controlled deorbit.

With a rocket in its butt and basic computer navigation system, why can't it tumble back to the Earth at any given time? There's a guy not long ago who parachuted himself from low orbit... I don't see how a satellite can't push itself back into the atmosphere, if properly equipped.

But it can be just a spy satellite too.

who cares if its tumbling, once over america, hit the Fire button and it blows up at 340 miles up. you dont need it to come back down or control the orbit. Again, not saying this is a nuke but they can get one up there.

at 340 miles an EMP blast will take out all of north america.

How can NORAD allow this? I dont think they are all knowing as you like to think.

reply to post by penninja


the emp destroys all electronics so the transformers that are meant to replace the old ones still wont work because they arnt protected for one and for 2 all vehicles that have electric starters electric fuel pumps everything will be destroyed not just the internet ur laptops not coming back on its fried so are your light bulbs and everything else no frigerator freezer you dont realize how badly this will get the only electronics that will survive are the ones that are inside of Ferriday cages before the emp hits thats why I have replacment electronic parts for my trucks in my ferriday cage so when ur stuck on the road ill drive by with my hand out the window and my middle finger up.

Originally posted by camaro68ss

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by eriktheawful

Originally posted by camaro68ss
reply to post by Echtelion

 

you must have missed the news a few months ago. NK has one up there right now! NORAD did not shoot it down. you dont need a ICBM. you just need to get it in orbit and they know how to do it. once in orbit it can travel the world 100 times fold.

here it is in real time

www.n2yo.com...

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

what do you know, its ALTITUDE is 340 miles up. Not saying its a Nuke, but they know how to get a nuke 340 miles up now.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

Actually what they know how to do right now is get a 220 pound object into LEO.

That's all they know how to do.

The satellite itself is tumbling (spinning round) out of control. The orbit of it is stable enough to last years.

However, as I said in an earlier post, if you are going to use a satellite to do something, you can't have it tumbling. When it's tumbling like that, it can't keep telemetry with the ground controllers, nor can you do controlled burns to do a controlled deorbit.

With a rocket in its butt and basic computer navigation system, why can't it tumble back to the Earth at any given time? There's a guy not long ago who parachuted himself from low orbit... I don't see how a satellite can't push itself back into the atmosphere, if properly equipped.

But it can be just a spy satellite too.

who cares if its tumbling, once over america, hit the Fire button and it blows up at 340 miles up. you dont need it to come back down or control the orbit. Again, not saying this is a nuke but they can get one up there.

at 340 miles an EMP blast will take out all of north america.

How can NORAD allow this? I dont think they are all knowing as you like to think.

edit on 3-4-2013 by camaro68ss because: (no reason given)

As to what I know of Cold War-era NORAD, they would detect a banana in orbit, and wouldn't allow any foreign hostile stuff over North America. Perhaps things have changed.

Especially if they allowed at least 2 airlines to hit major US assets on US soil on 9/11...

I'm not buying the graphic in the OP... 300m altitude? That's beyond the orbit of the Int. Space Station....

reply to post by penninja


I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

reply to post by buster2010

I didn't miss anything. The article counters the future electronic circuitry vulnerability in a number of ways. Older bomb casings are thicker which (tell me how) increases EMP pulse. Somewhere in there. You find it. Also the type of weapons (yield, fusion vs. fission, blah blah). Modern electric power infrastructure is improved too. Power lines get hit by EMP all the time (its called lightning). Point being that the direct attempt to disable a countries electronic infrastructure is not a sure thing. Thats the focus of the article.

Oh and the other part you missed, is the altitude bit. The higher up the burst by a single weapon the more energy is bled off by the magnetic field. Heres a pic describing that.



Because damage occurs long distances from the epicenter does not mean that the damage path is direct from the weapon. Like in Hawaii in 63. A high altitude burst could pose more of a threat to earth orbiting satellites. None of those existed back when. Kind of self defeating, maybe? We EMP some country and all our satellite links go dead. Hmmm...

Do take the time to read the whole article, it explains all of this in detail.

ed-thelen.org...

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
I'm not buying the graphic in the OP... 300m altitude? That's beyond the orbit of the Int. Space Station....

I think you've gotten confused? The space station is at an altitude of 340 km (340,000 m )

Originally posted by clayb2004

Originally posted by Glinda
Though I don't think the NORKS have the technology to carry out a massive EMP, they possibly could hit our my Japan or even Hawaii. EMPs as stated earlier in the thread, are all not created equally...but even a localized one, say over Hawaii could easily causeways of life. Think of the number of planes in the air at any given moment (would they be able to stay airborne or have any controls to land); vehicles (built after the mid 1970s) would stop. Cell phones, land lines, radio, TV, Internet--all gone in an instant. Transformers would blow. Only communication would be tube radios. Credit cards and ATMS would not work. No power on the local grid...it just goes on and on.

A scary work of fiction, concerning a massive EMP is "One Second After." It chronicals the downfall of society (in addition to the mechanical malfunctions). It is well written and will be hard to forget when you read news stories like this involving a despot like Jong-un. As an aside, the preface to the book was written by Newt Gingrich, who served on Congressional committees versed in the danger. His "insider" acknowledgment is a real eye openner.

I absolutely love this book. Althought it is fiction, I believe it paints a very accurate portrait of the time immediately following a High Altitude burst attack. I recommend it as a must read to anyone.

I can't believe the naivety on this subject. Those of you who say there will be no food shortages, etc. etc. Almost all food is now produced in some way by power. Or at the very least is transported to it's final destination by power. Trains.....nope. When is the last time you saw a steam powered train? They are all electric here. This would CRIPPLE any country it hit, it would take years to recover and there would be MASS casualties.

Cripple, yes. Not destroy. The military establishment has got several underground bases that can sustain most kinds of attacks (assuming NK doesn't have earthquake machines!). Transportation of food is assured mainly through trucks, that are partly but not entirely dependent on electrical power.

If people haven't developed ways to sustain themselves at a local level, supporting their local producers instead of globalized corporate markets, feeding off native plants and animals when possible, then they also are partly responsible for their eventual downfall. You choose to support an unsustainable civilization, you gotta account for it.

Originally posted by clayb2004
reply to post by penninja

 

I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

I know about the effects of hemp! WOoo!

Originally posted by Natecoates
reply to post by penninja

 

the emp destroys all electronics so the transformers that are meant to replace the old ones still wont work because they arnt protected for one and for 2 all vehicles that have electric starters electric fuel pumps everything will be destroyed not just the internet ur laptops not coming back on its fried so are your light bulbs and everything else no frigerator freezer you dont realize how badly this will get the only electronics that will survive are the ones that are inside of Ferriday cages before the emp hits thats why I have replacment electronic parts for my trucks in my ferriday cage so when ur stuck on the road ill drive by with my hand out the window and my middle finger up.

Thanks for being the 10th guy in 2 days to try to give an actual scientist a science lesson... much obliged.

SO WHAT???????

And what a pompus response.... Your soooooooo smart lol... your the only one that knows this lol..... You'll be the survivor and "hold your middle finger up as you drive by" Big Man!

You and 12 Million other psuedo rednecks who completed a science fair in the 6th grade genius...

It's such a joke....

How much does the Military keep underground?

How many vehicles without computer parts are floating around?

How many Millions of people have stuff in basements, sealed away in garages, warehouses?

How freaking hard will it be for mexico to drive diesel north to stop meltdowns...

WE are the only nation on Earth? We have no friends?

You know the biggest joke on this topic is NOT ONE person embraces this topic as IF there is a world outside or MURICA...

Even Canada doesn't exist "all the reactors will melt.... well what about trucks of fuel from like.... Alberta? "don't you go mentionin takin help from no communist boy" lol

My bulbs will die yah... my fridge food will spoil Fer sure.... F my xbox yeah I know.... and me and like....millions of others with "toys" in the basement will have limited power a day later, satellite internet solar, water.... and there would be a basis for stable society and communication by the end of the week...


WHY DON'T YOU PUT THOSE "BASIC" SKILLS YOU HAVE TO WORK SMART GUY INSTEAD OF "STICKIN YER MIDDLE FINGER UP" Then maybe i'd be right and it wouldn't be hell on Earth eh?