Concerned Officials Warn: “North Korea Could Explode a High-Altitude Nuclear Device Over the Unite

Originally posted by clayb2004
reply to post by penninja

 

I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

There will be room to room, house to house, town to town spotty electronics destruction. Some things will happen to be in a location that has adequate shielding, most won't. The E1 pulse travelling at the SOL charges one side of a PN junction while the other is at original voltage level. That severe voltage difference across a PN junction even though lasting less than a nano-second because of the SOL is enough to cause the PN junction to pop like a fuse or fuse like a weld. In electronics that has MILLIONS of PN junctions like a CPU, only a few (or even one) need to be taken out to cause inoperability.

Originally posted by Echtelion

Originally posted by clayb2004
reply to post by penninja

 

I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

I know about the effects of hemp! WOoo!

Dude I need to research the effects of HEMP a little better talking to some of these chicken littles.... all problems no solutions...

I swear, one of these days ...ATS is going to raid my graphics bin just for the sheer variety of junk I've collected over my time here. lol....

I figured I'd add this in to help perspective on altitudes. I'd picked it up as part of a thread or story long ago..Can't even remember which topic it might have been now. So many would fit for it. Anyway...



That might help for known altitudes of what we all think of for what's up there now.

I hadn't even thought about it...but of course, the 1950's high atmosphere and space based nuclear detonations were in a totally empty space. Nothing up there to kill or disable back then, right? Ooooo..... I wonder what a nuke WOULD do these days? How far would an EMP travel in space? Would it be literally line of sight to everything in orbit?

How shielded is the ISS from the specific type of EMP that a nuclear weapon produces? That COULD get sticky ..and that would be one hell of a way to die, wouldn't it? Looking down on sanctuary with no way to reach it if electronics all cook off.

reply to post by eriktheawful

From one debug tech to another. Augment your "wiki" link with this one...

EMP

This scenario (NK exploding a high-altitude nuke over the US) is so implausible, that discussing it is tantamount to arguing which superhero would defeat who in a battle. It's pure fiction.

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by clayb2004
reply to post by penninja

 

I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

There will be room to room, house to house, town to town spotty electronics destruction. Some things will happen to be in a location that has adequate shielding, most won't. The E1 pulse travelling at the SOL charges one side of a PN junction while the other is at original voltage level. That severe voltage difference across a PN junction even though lasting less than a nano-second because of the SOL is enough to cause the PN junction to pop like a fuse or fuse like a weld. In electronics that has MILLIONS of PN junctions like a CPU, only a few (or even one) need to be taken out to cause inoperability.

edit on 3-4-2013 by tkwasny because: typo fix

Thank you for an informed post.... Reality

Not everything will be destroyed, location will matter, some stuff will survive...

Boats will arrive, trucks from elsewhere Not every vehicle will go down....

shhhhhh don't tell anyone... we aren't the only country that builds transformers, new mother boards from taiwan start showing up the next week lol

Seriously

Horrible disaster yes.... but one you stay COOL through because it will be okay, your not irradiated... everything after that is BS if you have half a brain and bags o beans in the closet...

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
I'm not buying the graphic in the OP... 300m altitude? That's beyond the orbit of the Int. Space Station....

I think you've gotten confused? The space station is at an altitude of 340 km (340,000 m )

300 miles = 482.803 Kilometers

340 Kilometers = 211.266 miles

You should double check your figures before correcting someone.... no confusion here.

Oh nevermind... I neglected to use the proper abbreviation for miles in my initial response.... should have been Mi...

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

That's a nice theory,assuming that NK has such a device,ihowever,I would guess that they do not have the means of delivering such a device,they may have the ICBM but I would doubt that they have the telemetry network required to guide the device on target.

ETA If such a device were to be detonated above the continental US,it wouldn't just be the "inconvenience" of blackouts caused by the grid control computer chips being fried,you could also say goodbye to most of your vehicles,home pc's,washing machines etc etc.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner

Originally posted by Bluesma

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
I'm not buying the graphic in the OP... 300m altitude? That's beyond the orbit of the Int. Space Station....

I think you've gotten confused? The space station is at an altitude of 340 km (340,000 m )

300 miles = 482.803 Kilometers

340 Kilometers = 211.266 miles

You should double check your figures before correcting someone.... no confusion here.

No, "M" stands for Meters, not Miles. I was correct. 340 km = 340000 m
(I was trying to be helpful, I assumed you were just confused for a second or something, I didn't suggest you were stupid or anything. I am sorry if you felt offended. )

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


S&F!
This a very serious possibility, that would be their greatest chance at 'hitting' the US mainland. I recently wrote a thread about how North Korea has billions of dollars in slush funds, which really allows them the ability to acquire many more 'toys' than we are being told of.

It's a ticking time bomb, time will tell if NK is just bluffing , which would be interesting to see since pride is such a huge factor in Asian culture.

Originally posted by penninja
Oh sure they do, it's real easy.

What do you suppose we have on board our military shuttle? Pez?

It's just not as doomsday as it's made out to be... the lights go out....I loose you tube... our trains will run, transformers will be fixed etc, etc .... then we have every valid pretext to turn NK to glass

Don't get me wrong... a world of lame... but no one dies unless we act like fools... heat stroke in summer with no ac...whatever, we have no actual shortage of food and water... what else is there that matters in the scheme of things?

You comment about the military shuttle made me chuckle, the funny thing is- the technology has existed since the 50's-


Unfortunately, there's nothing funny about radiation/fallout/EMP over the US (or any part of the planet). I suspect that the military has simulated these sorts of attacks since the dawn of the Cold War...

Originally posted by penninja
Oh sure they do, it's real easy.

What do you suppose we have on board our military shuttle? Pez?

It's just not as doomsday as it's made out to be... the lights go out....I loose you tube... our trains will run, transformers will be fixed etc, etc .... then we have every valid pretext to turn NK to glass

Don't get me wrong... a world of lame... but no one dies unless we act like fools... heat stroke in summer with no ac...whatever, we have no actual shortage of food and water... what else is there that matters in the scheme of things?

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I personally won't lose a thing...ALL my computers are ITRONIX or Raytheon XR-1 series
laptops with my custom mods to make then ALL FULLY RAD HARDENED and in
Faraday Caged Rooms. Even my TV is MilSpec 810-F for drop resistance with
extra rad hardening done by me.

My generators are diesel NO ELECTRIC motor control ALL MANUAL with extra parts
and I've got rad hardened LED lighting and fully EMP hardened home automation/control
systems ...SO... I'm fully ready for ARMAGEDDON!

I'm WAY BEYOND most preppers...I'm full ready for a TRUE Extinction Level Event
for 10 YEARS OR MORE of underground living if need be!

So regarding NK, I'm HOPING nothing happens...BUT...preparedness beats sloth and ignorance!

reply to post by seattlerat


Why depend on the military? See for yourself...

www.nucleardarkness.org...

Go ahead, nuke away....and see what would happen. Note, there are many choices, such as darkness, fallout, firestorm, etc.

Originally posted by penninja

Originally posted by tkwasny

Originally posted by clayb2004
reply to post by penninja

 

I believe a little more research into the effects of HEMP is in order. If you think the worst part is youtube will be out for a few hours, you are sadly mistaken. The only thing that would save any present-day electronics is a stong shielding the likes of which isn't generally commercially used. What is used to make replacement parts for your transformers? More electronic parts that aren't protected. The equipment in question doesn't even have to be powered on to be destroyed, as this isn't your average lightning surge.

There will be room to room, house to house, town to town spotty electronics destruction. Some things will happen to be in a location that has adequate shielding, most won't. The E1 pulse travelling at the SOL charges one side of a PN junction while the other is at original voltage level. That severe voltage difference across a PN junction even though lasting less than a nano-second because of the SOL is enough to cause the PN junction to pop like a fuse or fuse like a weld. In electronics that has MILLIONS of PN junctions like a CPU, only a few (or even one) need to be taken out to cause inoperability.

edit on 3-4-2013 by tkwasny because: typo fix

Thank you for an informed post.... Reality

Not everything will be destroyed, location will matter, some stuff will survive...

Boats will arrive, trucks from elsewhere Not every vehicle will go down....

shhhhhh don't tell anyone... we aren't the only country that builds transformers, new mother boards from taiwan start showing up the next week lol

Seriously

Horrible disaster yes.... but one you stay COOL through because it will be okay, your not irradiated... everything after that is BS if you have half a brain and bags o beans in the closet...

Some things will survive, yes. Most simple electronics will be fine (think flashlights, classic cars, etc). Problem is what has been made in the last 15 (heck 20) years that isn't based on integrated circuit technology (the most susceptible type of electronic) using the millions of diodes/transistors that tkwansy mentioned? I'm in the USAF, so I'm well aware that the military has LF long haul communications sites that are completely EMP proof. Heck, most of our jets are near to completely EMP proof.

The thing I am worried about most are the people that do not have that "bag o beans" in the closet, and will be willing to do whatever it takes to get theirs. Loss of power on a massive scale will cause a societal breakdown. People can't funtion without their twitter and honey boo boo (just to name the least of it)

Originally posted by angrysniper

Originally posted by darkbake
My room-mate has an EMP failsafe built into his ridiculously expensive computer tower (isn't that crazy?). If he presses a certain key combination, it will have a blast radius of 30 feet.

30 feet is way less than 1,000 + miles, but it is still enough to wipe out every computer, television, external hard drive / thumb drive, cell phone, etc. in the house - even my Kindle, CD Player, and my car (since it runs on electronics).

He might have the thermite fail-safe installed instead at the moment. But EMP capabilities are a practical topic we talk about sometimes.

edit on 3-4-2013 by darkbake because: (no reason given)

Unless your roommate also has explosives in this computer, then no, he doesn't have an 'EMP failsafe.'

You can make an EMP device with a small radius by wrapping wire in a circle and then discharging electricity through it, thus making a magnetic field that will wipe electronics.

Explosives in general do not cause EMPs, in fact, a nuclear device causes this because of its effect on the Earth's ionosphere rather than its large blast.

Why do Nuclear Weapons Cause EMPs?

reply to post by OptimusSubprime


Wouldn't happen, couldn't happen UNLESS TPTB wanted it to.

You think the 1980's 'Star wars program' and all the money and research sunk into it...just came to a halt?

Not a chance.

Any nuke, from any direction, would be hit and taken out from above...at the speed of light.

reply to post by clayb2004


The actual electronic objects existing right now, aren't the problem, transitors and electronics can be spewed out a billion a minute..but It's the power, or lack of it after an EMP that's the problem.

Take out the power, you take out the production to produce more electronics.

Hmm I wonder if these 'officials' are of the same ilk as the ones who told us we were seconds from destruction from the WMD's Saddam was pointing at us?

Sounds to me like someone wants another war, probably as an excuse to start dishing out more war loans, or it could be a distraction designed to let the outrageous theft of peoples money continue through Europe... and then America.


Space Weapons!
EMP strikes!
Seconds from disaster!
Get behind the war!
Accept we have to take your money to defeat evil!

Seriously if people fall for this propaganda AGAIN it will be soul destroying.

reply to post by UKTruth


Hey mate...you're probably right, but in truth, i'd rather get behind space weapons or an 'Earth defense' system than i would another contrived war.

Less people die.

They not only don't have the delivery vehicle as it is inaccurate and they are 10 years from getting a warhead small enough for a rocket (and THAT is assuming everything goes their way), there is no way even Russia or China would permit this. And I LOVE the "officials" meme. Who exactly?

This is fodder for that nitwit George Noory's show.