North Korea says orders artillery to be combat ready, targeting U.S. bases

reply to post by foodstamp


I find it rather ironic that you can denounce other users' posts on the topic as "borderline retarded" or "totally misinformed" when you yourself lack the integrity to add anything constructive.

reply to post by FraternitasSaturni


What does 9/11 have to do with a need for counter-attacking to get a world leader, expecting that to come, within hardened and reinforced facilities to protect him from precisely that outcome?

I say counter-attacking because I'm NOT for preemptive strikes here (If ever, honestly). TOO much risk with TOO little provocation outside one guy's mouth. Words are about all he's managed so far...so I'd be taking it as removing him after he's bunkered at the palace or wherever DPRK leaders go when they want to feel safe.

The whole scenario is a nightmare. No win for anyone in the end. Not by open fighting, especially. Let's hope China handles their client.

In holland we gave a saying: dogs that bark dont bite. I dont know if its used in english as well, but if u think about it; N.K is a barking dog, China however...

reply to post by foodstamp


The first threats came from NK over the military exercises that SK and US were performing. Then obvious responses have heightened the tensions and rhetoric. In a nutshell its a bit of he said,she said situation, sounds stupid i know.
The fact is there has to be more going on behind the scenes, the threats are becoming bolder and a little more specific regarding their intentions..........from both sides.

Someone will make that fatal move if things don't quieten shortly, for some reason, i dont see that happening.......this time.

reply to post by spark9576


Its like the Korean version of DEFCON, so a Jindogae - 2 alert is full military alert complete with troops in the streets and Jindogae - 1 is hang on to your effin hats, its goin down.

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


Rabbit,

I only post this too you because I've followed MANY of your posts for a long time and respect what you say. Even when I disagree.

With that being said, why is someone with an above average intellect and wonderful mind like yourself making such pointless and stupid statements about just wiping a culture of people off the planet and then arguing the logistics of how we could do so? This is so beneath you!

And I must say, I've seen this pattern in you since your first post here (which was the second post). Why Rabbit? Why? There is something much more sinister and deeply ingrained within you going on here.

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Originally posted by spark9576

Military issues 'Jindogae' alert near border with North Korea...

I am not too clear what this means, but it's breaking on Yonhap..

Yonhap Link

Thanks for the update. I'm starting to watch this a whle lot closer along with some others at the moment. Here are a couple links to help for outside confirmation if something starts happening. I included current status on the side

US Army Garrison Red Cloud (Green - Normal)

US Army Garrison Yongsan (Yellow - Bravo)

US Army Garrison Humphreys (Yellow - Bravo)

Force Protection Conditions ALPHA-- This condition applies when there is a general threat of possible terrorist activity against personnel and facilities, the nature and extent
of which are unpredictable, and circumstances do not justify full implementation of Force Protection Conditions BRAVO measures. The measures in this Force Protection Conditions must be capable of being maintained indefinitely.

Force Protection Conditions BRAVO-- This condition applies when an increased and more predictable threat of terrorist activity exists. The measures in this Force Protection Conditions must be capable of being maintained for weeks without causing undue hardship, affecting operational capability, and aggravating relations with local authorities.

Force Protection Conditions CHARLIE-- This condition applies when an incident occurs or intelligence is received indicating some form of terrorist action against personnel and facilities is imminent. Implementation of measures in this Force Protection Conditions for more than a short period probably will create hardship and affect the peacetime activities of the unit and its personnel.

Force Protection Conditions DELTA-- This condition applies in the immediate area where a terrorist attack has occurred or when intelligence has been received that terrorist action against a specific location or person is likely. Normally, this Force Protection Conditions is declared as a localized condition.

(Source: Antiterrorism and Force Protection )

Hope that helps everyone in watching the source locations to see what changes over time, if anything.

Originally posted by Catch_a_Fire
reply to post by foodstamp

 

The first threats came from NK over the military excercises that SK and US were performing. Then obvious responses have heightened the tensions and rhetoric. In a nutshell its a bit of he said,she said situation, sounds stupid i know.
The fact is there has to be more going on behind the scenes, the threats are becoming bolder and a little more specific regarding their intentions..........from both sides.

Someone will make that fatal move if things don't quieten shortly, for some reason, i dont see that happening.......this time.

The wierd thing about this...To me.. Is that this EXACT same scenario has played out for the last twenty years with North Korea specifically. Nobody else... Just North Korea. That is so odd to me.. And why does it feel so real this time? I don't know..

Never underestimate your enemy. Look at our economy and what's taking shape here in regards to a police state. Whatever we print up to pay for this war is going to take a toll. It will also cost lives. If you want to take a shot at us bribing North Korea seems like a great idea. If it is not quick and they dig in how long do you want to fight them? What about the middle east and Africa? Hitler thought multiple fronts was a ton of fun too.

reply to post by idmonster


Nice one dude! There going to need a lot of quarters.

Even more odd, North Korea Leadership is planning on holding a party meeting later this month discussed "an important issue"

North Korea leaders plan on conducting Party Meeting meeting later this month

Does "later this month" mean March or April?

Military alert canceled

Okay, looks like things are back to normal…

Yonhap News

reply to post by foodstamp

I'm not sure where you got the impression I was for the destruction of North Korea? If he attacks.........a few hundred thousand to a couple million people will likely die in South Korea inside the first 60 minutes of the war. When he gets tired of artillery, he has 1 million men under arms to send down as well.

Keep in mind, I'm NOT for general, open warfare upon the total population of North Korea, but at the same time, well... TIME is the issue. If fighting starts, then ENDING it is the priority.

Seoul is 28 miles from the Demilitarized Zone at the close point and the start the largest functional collection of artillery assembled to one place on Earth that I'm aware of. It's only 245 miles from the DMZ to the water on the southern tips of the South Korean land and swimming for Japan after that.

So..My desire is to see absolute overwhelming force is to END IT ..and save lives on BOTH sides. Kim and his people will die. No way around that IF war breaks out. It's the other several million in the line of fire I would like to see survive the insanity of a single man. Given the firepower, close quarters and literal element of time while things are still being fired into the South? Minutes mean lives ...and missing or 'Almost got him' just means far more lost.

Let Kim start it. Then, the US and outside powers need to end it as decisively as possible, as quickly as technology of ALL options will allow it and..under the circumstances, as surgically as that technology can make it.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Hijinx

 

I think it's important to make sure we all agree on the term Nuclear Weapon, personally. If they drop a megaton class or even high kiloton yield weapn? I agree. North Korea is VERY small in terms of literal mileage from coast to coast or from the Chinese Border to the open water. An large scale detonation would be ...catastrophic and akin to killing a mouse with a block of C-4 explosive. Sure..you get the mouse ....you blow the whole house to sticks too.

On the other hand...The U.S. and Russia both developed weapons as small as what could be transported by two man teams for demotlition work "behind the lines" in a major war. Enough to just erase a Dam or other major piece of infrastructure in the blast, but not a full thermonuclear blast to blow all over the countryside.

The TRUE "suitcase" nukes

They're anything but suitcase size and one man isn't moving it further than dragging it ...but another feature of those was a "Dial-a-Yield", which literally allowed the configuration of how big a blast they wanted to produce within it's technical limits.

I'm willing to bet in the modern times? They could probably 'nuke' his Palace and no do much more than blow out windows a few miles away. That is, after all, the whole point of the little ones.

I agree with you Wrabbit, but the point I was making was not the blast itself, but the towering mushroom cloud of atomized nuclear fuel, that tends to fall where ever the wind blows it post blast.

That would be the concern in this region, there is too high a chance that material towering miles in the air could be carried over friendly territory, or not as friendly territory like china leading to some serious " splaining to do."

I'm aware both the US, Russia and most likely china have developed " tactical " nukes that have an impressively small yield, but the risk of carrying material over territory elsewhere is too high in this region. It would really depend on the atmospheric conditions on the day, but there are semi permanent wind streams in the higher altitudes that could end up posing a problem using a nuclear device.

The last thing the US would need is blowing up a nuke in NK, and after dealing with the PR backlash from that event, having nuclear fall out land in friendly territory, or being detected by the Chinese leading to potential further conflict in the region.

After Fukushima, the last thing that whole half of the planet needs is any more nuclear material in the "soup."

Besides the US has plenty of conventional weapons far superior to any NK nuke, that they could more than readily deploy in the region. F.A.O.(Fuel Air Ordinance.) combs to mind, as well as other "super-bombs," that do not use nuclear material, and still possess enormous explosive yield.

I don't want to play desktop general because this whole region is so unpredictable, but I just can't see using a nuke on NK as justifiable with today's world. The US is considered a first world country, and Prides itself in showing restraint. NK may have some rudimentary nukes, but using the US's own Nukes just isn't fighting with equivalent means.

If only North Korea had oil, then USofA would install the "democracy" there a looooong time ago...

reply to post by Hijinx

Okay, fair enough on that and your points are valid. I have a pic here of what you may be talking about and it's real enough to worry about.



That would be a bad thing to see happen ..and was a mistake/accident at the Nevada Test Site during the early nuclear testing. You can see the buildings as little specs for comparison. Indeed.. That would be a mess and that was simply venting through a tunnel which shouldn't have allowed it.

In complete fairness though? What do you do? If the North is firing several thousand rounds PER volley of artillery, into the Capital city of the South? Well... I'm all for whatever would do it short of that. This would be a REAL good time for them to show some of those :"Super Weapons" we keep hearing some suggest the Government has all hidden away, eh? Not first strike..again.. I'm really strong on that. We'll end up starting a war Kim MAY NOT have actually intended to follow through on.

Read this whole post and now have a migraine. For those of you with your " nuke em " response ... grab a brain. War is business, plain and simple. Follow the money and see who benefits. This chubby gerbil and his rat cronies are eating the poison... but who's cage is it? I don't think for one minute that this little puppet dances on his own. Follow the money to smell the real rats.

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I agree with alot you say Wrabbit, but not this. It may be outside one guys mouth. This guys mouth it is coming out of is a brain washed nation ready to do most anything for him.

Would you wait for me to punch you first? You might not get back up. Would you want me to shoot at your first? You definitely wouldn't get back up.

Eta: I just don't get the logic. If I have people outside your house. We say we are going to firebomb it, you will sit there to wait and see?BTW you know my past and even though I have lied before I also did what I was talking about before.

Good luck playing Russian Roulette with your family. 50/50 shot though right?