Obama's Second Bill of Rights is coming

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Originally posted by seabag

Here are the highlights of what FDR proposed:

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.

*The right of every family to a decent home.

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.

*The right to adequate protection from the economic fears of old age, sickness, accident and unemployment.

*The right to a good education.

NONE of those objectives Are "rights" in the traditional sense of the word. We have a right to PURSUE those ends, but we do not have a right to gain them or have them guaranteed us. That would depend entirely on our own efforts in the matter, not government decrees.

reply to post by PotKettle


I didnt say any of those things you are using fallacious strawmen arguments.

I didnt say eliminate the process of corporate charters or that work equals slavery unequivocally.
You are arguing agiant a non existant point.

What are you in favor of corporate bailouts and unreasonable regulations like NAFTA?

Those are part of the problem.

To hear you say it, corporations have a right to buy our govt, write all the rules in their favor, then blindly support them as they rape the nations coffers.

BTW since you didnt know, it is a hard fact the Pharmaceutical corps were behind Obamacare ( while their partners in media fooled you of the opposite ). See with Obamacare they now can charge even more for the same services, and now have infinite demand because the govt will always buy it increasing sales and allow them to increase prices artificially higher because it will always sell no matter how expensive.

This is what happens when a free market capitalist argues agianst a fascist or socialist.

They keep arguing as if you were the other side in that fascist vs socialst tired old debate.

Both systems failed, both are totalitarian, and both need to go.
Lets have freedom for once.

Notice how both the Repubs ( fascists ) and Dems ( socialists ) hate the suggestion of free markets?

Its because their grip on power is threatened by freedom.
Slavery would be abolished and they might have to get off their rear and clean their own toilet, god forbid.

Go research the truth about fascism vs socialism and WW2.
Both sides were psychopathic slave running tyrannies.

reply to post by nenothtu

NONE of those objectives Are "rights" in the traditional sense of the word. We have a right to PURSUE those ends, but we do not have a right to gain them or have them guaranteed us. That would depend entirely on our own efforts in the matter, not government decrees.

Well said, as usual!

I don’t know think there is a certain number of times this can be said before everyone sees the light. We have to live with the fact that there is a certain (ever growing) percentage of this population that thinks these are rights, and that those who HAVE are obligated to give to those who HAVE NOT. It’s funny that they think we are GREEDY for believing that what YOU EARN is YOURS and not SOMEONE ELSE’S.

reply to post by muzzleflash

This is what happens when a free market capitalist argues agianst a fascist or socialist.

They keep arguing as if you were the other side in that fascist vs socialst tired old debate.

Both systems failed, both are totalitarian, and both need to go.
Lets have freedom for once.

AMEN!!!!

Notice how both the Repubs ( fascists ) and Dems ( socialists ) hate the suggestion of free markets?

Its because their grip on power is threatened by freedom.

Slavery would be abolished and they might have to get off their rear and clean their own toilet, god forbid.

Go research the truth about fascism vs socialism and WW2.
Both sides were psychopathic slave running tyrannies.

And I’d like to add, Repubs ARE NOT “conservatives” nor do Repubs own the title fascist. The things BUSH AND OBAMA have done, and the direction they’ve taken this country, can absolutely be described as FASCIST. I don’t hear anyone calling Obama a Repub, so fascist isn’t a Repub title!

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by PotKettle

 

I didnt say any of those things you are using fallacious strawmen arguments.

I didnt say eliminate the process of corporate charters or that work equals slavery unequivocally.
You are arguing agiant a non existant point.

What are you in favor of corporate bailouts and unreasonable regulations like NAFTA?

Those are part of the problem.

To hear you say it, corporations have a right to buy our govt, write all the rules in their favor, then blindly support them as they rape the nations coffers.

BTW since you didnt know, it is a hard fact the Pharmaceutical corps were behind Obamacare ( while their partners in media fooled you of the opposite ). See with Obamacare they now can charge even more for the same services, and now have infinite demand because the govt will always buy it increasing sales and allow them to increase prices artificially higher because it will always sell no matter how expensive.

edit on 31-1-2013 by muzzleflash because: (no reason given)

Strawman? I was responding to your "corporations are evil" theme and your "corporations
control the government" statement. I quoted what I responding to. Are you now saying that you never made these statements/assertions? Regarding Big Pharma, even if they were behind the health care bill, they are but a small percentage of corporations and I noted that you wisely dropped your slavery argument. I won't even guess how you to came to the conclusion that I support NAFTA or corporate bailouts. Actually, this is a textbook example of a strawman argument so if your intent was to be hypocritical then gratz.

As for your republicans are fascists assertion, fascism is form of government which seeks to "unify their nation through a totalitarian state that seeks the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training." Unless you think that freedom and liberty is somehow related to the mass mobilization of the national community through discipline, indoctrination, and physical training, I suggest you rethink your stance or actually understand terminology before tossing out such terms as "strawman argument" or "fascist."

reply to post by seabag


I can agree to that, as I was overgeneralizing a bit.

Bush and Obamas admins are technically a combination of fascist/socialist totalitarianism.
World police, hand all the wealth to foreign dictators, supports UN tyranny, etc.

And it wasnt just them, virtually everyone in the executive branch wants to burn the Constitution.

I find this very interesting...even the FDR stuff. Because of this from the communist party of the us:

We are rooted in our country's revolutionary history and its struggles for democracy. We call for "Bill of Rights" socialism, guaranteeing full individual freedoms.

Until we win enough support to change the system, communists call for radical reforms under capitalism. We call for nationalization of the banks, railroads, and industries like steel and auto. Everyone who wants to work should be guaranteed a job or get unemployment payments until she/he can find a job. We say put the unemployed to work at union wages on massive public works programs to rebuild our cities, provide affordable housing for the homeless, build mass transit, and clean up the environment!
cpusa.org...

reply to post by seabag


Its not the second bill of rights...its the first bill of rights in our New country....Welcome to the New America...Equal opportunity for all. The more perfect union the Masonic Founders envisioned...

reply to post by Kram09


It only takes one answer for the whole lot......

It takes someone else's money to pay for it.


And the heaviest burden would fall on the middle class.......the only outcome would be the end of the middle class.

You would have a greater divide. Either poor on the government dole or the elite.

The Sheep will be controlled. The Patriot will become a terrorist and vice versa. You will continue to play the game thinking you are winning but you are standing in place awaiting our directives. Join us and all will become clear.. Join the World Order. Its not New anymore.

reply to post by Ghost375


This is the last time I will discuss this with you because you are not comprehending.

They ruled it unconstitutional under the 10th amendment, meaning it is a states rights issue to determine what is to be spent on the general welfare, not the Feds.

reply to post by ltheghost

Its not the second bill of rights...its the first bill of rights in our New country....Welcome to the New America

So you admit that you support the NEW AMERICA that has taken over; the NEW America that sharts on the constitution?

Interesting! That’s what I suspected.

reply to post by muzzleflash


I agree with everything you are saying.

The only fix I can see is to make lobbies illegal and to make corporate welfare illegal.

The government should not be in business except to make equality and safety laws are followed.

Originally posted by seabag

Originally posted by cornucopia
reply to post by seabag

 

lol,

lets argue!

lol


i love you bro, i know you..

all is well...

you will see, once you remember that we are all brothers and sisters at the soul level you will just love and wish for everyone to be taken care of

you are god

as we all are...

remember?

Self reliance! Self Respect! Get some, please!

If I could share some with you, brother, I would!

lol
thanks bro

hey don't get me wrong, you already did..lol

i'm all about self rule and self responsibility..

it's the system that is rigged though...

society here has made it so that you need money to feed, clothe and shelter yourself...

i would love to get out into nature and build myself a cabin/farm, but it's not so easy with two young children, i would need fertile land and then some help in building our home while getting help to feed and shelter my family..know what i mean?

anyways i'm just sharing my goal with you, lol...

you see i get tired of working sometimes, my soul just wants to be free, to live on the beach...


it was nice to live in the olden days when everyone lived off of the land and neighbors helped you build your home, good times...

now days it's like whoever can get the money can get a home, you need at least 150k to get a home, lol..right now i have 1800, lol and it's not because i don't work, in fact i do and i have a job, but min wage is way too low for us to get out of poverty...

and some people need help, we need help because we are living in this system and it is rigged...where are the green jobs?

where are the good jobs?

not here where i live...i can't afford to just pack up and move, i cant afford to do anything but just keep on keeping on so my family has a roof over their heads...i/we need a miracle..

so back on subject..


to become a galactic/civilzed species and society we need to make some changes...
we need a more fair energy exchange...
we need abundance for all...
free energy technology shared...
everyone has an electric vehicle, everyones needs are met...
educational system that teaches emotions, metaphysics, wisdom...
health care system that cures people, teaches people how to care for the Human body...
stop killing animals for fun and food...
etc.etc.etc.

i'm a spiritual being trapped in the material world...

lol

GOD help me out

thank YOU

i allow assistance..

thank you..


i know this whole post will sound crazy to most, oh well, i really don't give a f%^k lol, screw it..

Originally posted by XPLodER
reply to post by seabag

 

Those things are not RIGHTS.

The RIGHT to a home?
The RIGHT to economic security??

What country (or planet) do you live in that establishes those rights??

well in nz we have these things,
and im sure Sweden has them too

ps we are NOT socialist and to declare my country as such would be considered trolling by anyone here who lives here or understands the concept of a functioning society

xploder

Ummm....soooo...your saying that the government provides everyone with a home and economic security...there in kiwiland...So when your daughter of sixteen gets pregnant and decides to emancipate herself to life on her own the government builds her a new house and finds her a job or better yet just gives her money to go along with the new house? And just where is the government getting all of this money to provide all of these services? Does the govertnment own all business both large and small? Does the government actually create a job for every immigrant or of age person?

YouSir

Originally posted by timetothink
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

I agree with everything you are saying.

The only fix I can see is to make lobbies illegal and to make corporate welfare illegal.

The government should not be in business except to make equality and safety laws are followed.

Ummm...The government should not be in business...period...NOR should it be a business...like it is now. We need to get rid of incorporating governmental structures or entities......get rid of ALL government employees and privetize the whole shebang from the village to the fed, all of it. We also need to make sure that worker protections are paramount...WITHOUT...tennure or unionization. Just...enforced...laws, thats all. Send admiralty law packing back to the high seas...theres no need for anything other than common law and even that should be updated. It should also be a part of school curriculum.

YouSir

The progressive mindset is a sickness. The symptoms include fear,apathy,intolerance,hate,arrogance.

You have just described most conservatives in America- especially over the last 4 years. These are the exact reactions you have all had to Obama since before he even took office.

This thread is proof that conservatives are incredibly paranoid and judgemental. The article even states that Obama hasn't called for this, but you conveniently ignore that. And what's wrong with wanting to take care of our people anyways? That's what we should be spending our money on instead of oil company subsidies and overpriced government contractors.

Originally posted by CB328

The progressive mindset is a sickness. The symptoms include fear,apathy,intolerance,hate,arrogance.

You have just described most conservatives in America- especially over the last 4 years. These are the exact reactions you have all had to Obama since before he even took office.

This thread is proof that conservatives are incredibly paranoid and judgemental. The article even states that Obama hasn't called for this, but you conveniently ignore that. And what's wrong with wanting to take care of our people anyways? That's what we should be spending our money on instead of oil company subsidies and overpriced government contractors.

Did you see the link I posted above? www.cpusa.org/faq That is what concerns me. Do you agree with the beliefs on that site? I didn't realize until just before this last election that the arguments of the left truly do line up perfectly with the communist party's ideals. I mean, if someone agrees with it I just don't understand why they don't just say "Yes, I agree. I am therefore a Communist/Socialist." I don't understand why a person will feel insulted to be called a communist or socialist, but won't look at the list of what the communist party stands for to see that they actually agree.