Obama's Second Bill of Rights is coming

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by FyreByrd

 

What is your problem - don't you even read what you post. The FDR bit that YOU quoted says nothing about the right to own a home it says "The right of every family to a decent home" (copied directly from your own post). And just what is wrong with that as an ideal to strive towards.

There is no “right to own a home” OR “right to own a decent home” so what’s your point?

Semantics!

Please practise your reading and comprehension skills before trying to write anything cogent (look it up)

So you’re criticizing my reading comprehension yet you scold me with misspelled words?

FAIL!

edit on 31-1-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

It has nothing to do with misspelling it has to do with what you say vs what was quoted in your post.

It doesn't say anything about a right to own a home only a right to: ""The right of every family to a decent home" (copied directly from your own post)."

Read what you post.

reply to post by Momto2

nice to see someone else notices
even if some of the ideas are good ones, they are not 'rights' and they should never be dictated by government under the guise of freedom.

reply to post by tothetenthpower


I could not help but come back to say, after I said this yesterday in my reply to you:

On page 2 of this thread:

www.abovetopsecret.com...

"And before that it was closing Gitmo, and before that it was jobs,
jobs, jobs! Funny how they are closing the Gitmo coucil, and the
jobs thing is totally silent. What's it been, nearly a year now
since they have met? How long will he let the Jobs council ride
for a paycheck before he closes that down, too. Got to let them
exist long enough to get that pension."


mobile.usnews.com...

Obama's Jobs Council Shutting Down Thursday

By JOSH LEDERMAN, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama will let his jobs
council expire this week without renewing its charter, winding
down one source of input from the business community even
as unemployment remains stubbornly high.

Oh, the irony.

reply to post by Libertygal

wow ... why am i not surprised

i'm beginning to think the saddest part of all of this is his predictability.
the evolution of his efforts resembles watching a movie at the drive-in.

ppl need to remember what power is and who really has it.
per Oskar Schindler ... Power is when we have every justification to kill, and we don't.

i would love another bill of rights, please make it so...

thank you god..

thank you

Originally posted by cornucopia
i would love another bill of rights, please make it so...

thank you god..

thank you

Maybe you could try moving to another country if you don't like your rights as described in the BOR's.

Originally posted by Majiq1

Originally posted by cornucopia
i would love another bill of rights, please make it so...

thank you god..

thank you

Maybe you could try moving to another country if you don't like your rights as described in the BOR's.

I have suggested that.

They want to keep hanging ornaments on the tree until the tree falls over. It’s sad that so many people these days aren’t satisfied with our constitutional rights as they are written. Those who want this cradle to grave support from Big Brother are truly a sad bunch.

Someone on this thread asked, “How am I supposed to support my kid on minimum wage?”

The answer is – YOU’RE NOT! You should have enough sense to NOT HAVE KIDS until you can afford them. It’s not fair to the kid!

You should also have enough sense to know that we ALL have the opportunity in America to work our way up and become successful. You can’t expect to live a comfortable lifestyle working a minimum wage job that any 16 year old high school kid could do! WAKE UP! It doesn’t pay to be an underachiever, and society is IN NO WAY obligated to raise YOUR standard of living.

Instead of supporting a new Bill of Rights that provides for your every need and wipes your butt for you, how about you take some personal responsibility for your own life, put your pants on like a big boy and support your family like the rest of us???

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I'm losing track of the comparisons to what President he and his people most want to say he's like? Is it Lincoln, Roosevelt or Reagan? They'd have us believe, it seems sometimes, they are all interchangeable.

Titles are not important….intent is.

Regardless what you call it, Obama wants an entitlement society and he wants to rule it.

“The right to own a home”?? Isn’t that the kind of crap that gave us the Fanny-Freddie housing bubble fiasco?

He did not say the right to own a home! he said the right to a home! I don't believe any of these are unreasonable. Though these should not have to be rights. I believe all Americans should have the ability to
have somewhere to call home, a job, education, retirement, medical treatment and the protections of the state
from unfair monopolies! Are these unreasonable requests or do you believe in darwinism and the survival of the fittest? The truth is the smartest and fittest are taken advantage of by the morally inept! I actually don't think none of this will ever happen and believe Obama knows this and is using this matter to maintain a positive reputation but even if it does I will be expecting something far different from what is written here!

Seabag doesn't know what he's talking about.

Frightening levels of ignorance being pushed by Windbag and his clique in this thread.

Suddenly FDR is a villain and Obama is akin to Stalin.

But carry on! ATS would be a terribly boring place if we all agreed.

reply to post by seabag

You should also have enough sense to know that we ALL have the opportunity in America to work our way up and become successful.

I think the time has long passed since that was a reality. It's just fantasy.

So any Average Joe can become President? Yeah...sure.

Is Congress made up of people who have "worked their way up"?

The American dream...you have to be asleep to believe it.

In his last months, King was organizing the most militant project of
his life: the Poor People’s Campaign. He crisscrossed the country to
assemble “a multiracial army of the poor” that would descend on
Washington—engaging in nonviolent civil disobedience at the
Capitol, if need be—until Congress enacted a poor people’s bill of
rights. Reader’s Digest warned of an “insurrection.”

From "The Martin Luther King You Dont See On TV" by Jeff Cohen and Norman Soloman

reply to post by nosacrificenofreedom

He did not say the right to own a home! he said the right to a home! I don't believe any of these are unreasonable. Though these should not have to be rights. I believe all Americans should have the ability to have somewhere to call home, a job, education, retirement, medical treatment and the protections of the state from unfair monopolies!

All of these things are available now. Anybody who wants a home, a job, an education or medical treatment can get it right now! People aren’t being denied these things!

Some people don’t have some of these things but that’s not my fault or the fault of the constitution or the federal government. There is a certain level of personal responsibility that we all bear in providing for ourselves.

reply to post by Kram09

Seabag doesn't know what he's talking about.

Frightening levels of ignorance being pushed by Windbag and his clique in this thread.

A drive-by post complete with name calling and insults.

You’re a real class act.

Suddenly FDR is a villain and Obama is akin to Stalin.

Nothing sudden….it’s been that way all along!

Are you satisfied with the status quo in America? You’re probably a Canadian who just jumped in to make a few smart remarks and grab a little attention. Move along!

reply to post by Kram09

I think the time has long passed since that was a reality. It's just fantasy.

So any Average Joe can become President? Yeah...sure.

Is Congress made up of people who have "worked their way up"?

The American dream...you have to be asleep to believe it.

I never said the avg Joe can become President. That’s a pep talk people used to give their children to motivate them to pursue their dreams. However, everyone CAN still earn a living and be prosperous and productive in society if they apply themselves. You can’t look at your own inabilities and lack of accomplishment in life and claim ‘that’s how the whole country is’. Most people do just fine; those that don’t quickly hold out their hand and cry about how unfair things are.

Meh…..

reply to post by seabag

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money and what then are we left with? Socialism will drag everyone down to the same level rather than lifting everyone up to the same level

Absolutely. That's the problem with democrats, they want to give away everyone's money. Well, I would like to keep my hard earned money, thank you Mr. President. These politicians know as long as they keep people poor and dependent on social welfare programs, the recipients will keep voting them into office. It's really as simple as that. No big mystery. And there's a lot of people of social assistance. The joke about this president's inauguration this year, 500,000 people went but only 7 people missed work! It's true. Sad.

Originally posted by Momto2
I find this very interesting...even the FDR stuff. Because of this from the communist party of the us:

We are rooted in our country's revolutionary history and its struggles for democracy. We call for "Bill of Rights" socialism, guaranteeing full individual freedoms.

This is oxymoronic. Socialism is, by nature and definition, collectivist. It is absolute anathema to individual freedom. One cannot be individually free while at the same time subservient to the collective. He is either free, or he is not. Being restricted to the collective falls into the category of "not free".

Until we win enough support to change the system, communists call for radical reforms under capitalism. We call for nationalization of the banks, railroads, and industries like steel and auto. Everyone who wants to work should be guaranteed a job or get unemployment payments until she/he can find a job. We say put the unemployed to work at union wages on massive public works programs to rebuild our cities, provide affordable housing for the homeless, build mass transit, and clean up the environment!
cpusa.org...

I'm uncertain as to why you believe industries should be "nationalized". It is the business of government to govern, not make steel or cars. It's not the business of government to give me a job - they call the people who do that "employers".

I WAS homeless for a period. I don't particularly think it's government's job to force me into a house, either. As a matter of fact, I'd have fought tooth and nail against it back then. If I want a house, I'll get my own, which I did when I wanted one. Until then, I didn't WANT an address, and it wasn't the job of government to make me get one.

Originally posted by Cosmic911
reply to post by seabag

 

The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people’s money and what then are we left with? Socialism will drag everyone down to the same level rather than lifting everyone up to the same level

Absolutely. That's the problem with democrats, they want to give away everyone's money. Well, I would like to keep my hard earned money, thank you Mr. President. These politicians know as long as they keep people poor and dependent on social welfare programs, the recipients will keep voting them into office. It's really as simple as that. No big mystery. And there's a lot of people of social assistance. The joke about this president's inauguration this year, 500,000 people went but only 7 people missed work! It's true. Sad.

So that's it - simple greed.

Originally posted by Honor93
reply to post by Momto2

 

nice to see someone else notices

even if some of the ideas are good ones, they are not 'rights' and they should never be dictated by government under the guise of freedom.

Precisely. The very job of government is to govern - by definition, that is going to curtail freedom to some extent. It's the extent to which we are willing to allow our freedom to be curtailed which is at issue.

Always remember that government can give NOTHING that it has not first TAKEN. If it does not take, it has nothing to disburse.

Any "freedom" that government can give is just that - a guise, simply BECAUSE government can give nothing that it has not first taken - because nothing is free.

This is why I believe that keeping government small, at levels manageable by the people - not the other way 'round - is the way to go.

Originally posted by Kram09

Suddenly FDR is a villain and Obama is akin to Stalin.

It's not "suddenly". FDR has been a villain since his presidency - before that, he only had aspirations to villainy.

I believe Obama has been a Stalinista for quite a long time as well - at least since his formative years.

reply to post by nenothtu

well said and completely agree !!

it makes me wonder if the whole housing 'bubble' was manipulated for just that purpose ... to 'give' shelter to everyone, even the IL illegals who are obtaining driver licenses ... sure, give them the 'authority' to use our roads, (that we paid for) to earn a living that they aren't even responsible for ... just peachy.

i'm beginning to think there is more benefit in becoming an 'illegal'
after all, if they are going to lawfully practice our sovereign status ... maybe it's time to jump ahead in line ?