Obama's Second Bill of Rights is coming

FDR announced a Second Bill of Rights in his 1944 State of the Union speech, claiming “we have come to a clear realization of the fact that true individual freedom cannot exist without economic security and independence,”

That sounds accurate.

*The right to a useful and remunerative job in the industries or shops or farms or mines of the nation.

This is the right to work, isn't that a better idea than putting everyone on social security income?

*The right to earn enough to provide adequate food and clothing and recreation.

This isn't that much? These are pretty much bare minimums.

*The right of every farmer to raise and sell his products at a return which will give him and his family a decent living.

Farmers are conservative in general and do have a hard time - what is wrong with this concept? We have been losing farmers and food production in our country for some time now, isn't it a good idea to have at least some food independence from other nations?

*The right of every businessman, large and small, to trade in an atmosphere of freedom from unfair competition and domination by monopolies at home or abroad.

What is wrong with this? Gigantic corporations like Wal Mart have been putting middle-class business owners out of business for a long time.

*The right of every family to a decent home.

A decent home does not mean home ownership, I rent a room out from a friend.

*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.

I don't see how access to good health is evil in what people think is the bastion of the 1st world.

*The right to a good education.

We obviously need a better education system, I thought we talked about that a lot around here?

“Obama’s second inaugural did not refer explicitly to the Second Bill of Rights,” he said, in the Bloomberg report, “but it had an unmistakably Rooseveltian flavor. Just after a serious economic crisis, Obama emphasized ‘that a great nation must care for the vulnerable, and protect its people from life’s worst hazards and misfortune.’

I don't see anything wrong with Obama's quote, from it alone, he sounds like a decent person. Plus, it is a leap to assert that his policies are going to exactly mirror FDRs. They could be better, or they could be worse. Finding people work is a much different concept than getting them dependent on the system.

reply to post by Kram09

In fact maybe you could take each point step by step and detail to us why you think this is fundamentally evil and wrong?

There is no need to go through them one by one because I can sum it up – those aren’t rights!

I believe in the “rights” outlined in the Bill of “Rights.” What’s wrong with those rights??

Summary of the Bill of Rights

•The First Amendment: Guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press, and the right to assemble and to petition the government

•The Second Amendment: Guarantees the right to bear arms

•The Third Amendment: Deals with the quartering of troops

•The Fourth Amendment: Protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure

•The Fifth Amendment: Guarantees right to grand jury, due process of law, and protection from self-incrimination and double jeopardy

•The Sixth Amendment: Guarantees, in criminal trials, the right to speedy and public trial by jury, right to counsel, and right to confront accusers

•The Seventh Amendment: Guarantees right to jury in common law suits

•The Eighth Amendment: States there shall be no excess bail or fines and no cruel or unusual punishment

•The Ninth Amendment: Deals with non-enumerated rights

•The Tenth Amendment: Says that powers not given to the federal government by the constitution are reserved for the states

HISTORY 101


Self reliance, perseverance, hard work, honesty, and the Bill of Rights are all anybody needs to be successful in this country. What you, FDR and Obama want aren’t RIGHTS.

Our rights don't come from DC!!

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Kram09

 

In fact maybe you could take each point step by step and detail to us why you think this is fundamentally evil and wrong?

There is no need to go through them one by one because I can sum it up – those aren’t rights!

I believe in the “rights” outlined in the Bill of “Rights.” What’s wrong with those rights??

Summary of the Bill of Rights

•The First Amendment: Guarantees freedom of religion, speech, and the press, and the right to assemble and to petition the government

•The Second Amendment: Guarantees the right to bear arms

•The Third Amendment: Deals with the quartering of troops

•The Fourth Amendment: Protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure

•The Fifth Amendment: Guarantees right to grand jury, due process of law, and protection from self-incrimination and double jeopardy

•The Sixth Amendment: Guarantees, in criminal trials, the right to speedy and public trial by jury, right to counsel, and right to confront accusers

•The Seventh Amendment: Guarantees right to jury in common law suits

•The Eighth Amendment: States there shall be no excess bail or fines and no cruel or unusual punishment

•The Ninth Amendment: Deals with non-enumerated rights

•The Tenth Amendment: Says that powers not given to the federal government by the constitution are reserved for the states

HISTORY 101


Self reliance, perseverance, hard work, honesty, and the Bill of Rights are all anybody needs to be successful in this country. What you, FDR and Obama want aren’t RIGHTS.

Our rights don't come from DC!!

edit on 31-1-2013 by seabag because: (no reason given)

Good topic and keep up the fight. Don't let these lazy basement-dwelling moonbat libs try to denigrate your service in the military. Real Americans appreciate the sacrifices you have made for America.

reply to post by seabag


All of those things you listed sound good to me.

My question to you and all of those people who starred you is this:

Do you really realize how much you're voting against your own interests by supporting the corporate elite in pushing their "War on the Poor"?

im still curious if this is going to be true? i mean its interesting rumors...

Lets jest embrace the Nazi's way of life completely. Open arms to the whole shettery. Then we can all strike out on adventures.

A bit rude for ATS.

33rd Flag.

Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by seabag

 

All of those things you listed sound good to me.

My question to you and all of those people who starred you is this:

Do you really realize how much you're voting against your own interests by supporting the corporate elite in pushing their "War on the Poor"?

edit on 31-1-2013 by VaterOrlaag because: (no reason given)

I know its a long thread but I'm not going to keep answering this question...you'll have to go back and read.

Rights are not granted by the federal government. Adherence to the constitution is not "supporting corporate elites" or promoting some ridiculous "war on the poor."

People who don't want to support the constitution have no place in this country IMO.

reply to post by seabag


Agreed. It WILL drag everyone down eventually. The real problem is that the do-gooders want to save everyone from themselves. What I mean by that is that most people are in the situation they're in for a self-inflicted reason. Those who had no control over what happened to them in 2009 through 2013 were victims of these self-destructive individuals who would take, take, take but never really give back. The entitlement generation took until there was nothing left to take, and now it wants more. Those of us still working and trying to stay afloat through this economy have no more to give. If Obama or anyone else thinks that everyone has a right to everything, then he's wrong. Everyone has a right to the things THEY WORK FOR and EARN. If you let the Government provide for you, you're just taking from your neighbor what you haven't earned. One day your neighbor will have had enough and leave to someplace where his work is rewarded and his earnings are not stolen so that those with entitlement issues can feed themselves with his hard work. That's what happened in every Socialist country, and I happen to be from one. Those who couldn't take it anymore left, and the weakest links stayed behind to rot in their own misery.

If our govt actually recognized and protected our original Bill, than all of these economic issues would have fell into place.

Sadly they rejected the idea of free market theory and instead gave us a century of monopolism, fascism, regulations, and control, etc.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Sadly they rejected the idea of free market theory and instead gave us a century of monopolism, fascism, regulations, and control, etc.

Sadly that does not make sense. How can you have a free market then regulate and control a company once it gets too big and is deemed a monopoly?

reply to post by seabag


The problem with big corporations is multilayered.

They are fictions, liability umbrellas, that get welfare from the state and have more rights than citizens.
They can break every free market rule in order to consolidate power, etc.

They can go to other nations and use slavery to make cheap crap rather than pay local wages.
They can lobby for new laws in their favor while citizens pay the price.

And people simply dont understand how to vote with their $$ and utilize boycotts.

We could go on. Corporations rely heavily on socialist and fascist initiatives to keep power.
Big corps Hate Free Market theory, as it would allow small new ventures to actually compete.

Originally posted by RandyBragg

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Sadly they rejected the idea of free market theory and instead gave us a century of monopolism, fascism, regulations, and control, etc.

Sadly that does not make sense. How can you have a free market then regulate and control a company once it gets too big and is deemed a monopoly?

Exactly what I was griping about.

The idea of a boycott is so foreign to our society it has become an unthinkable prospect.

It essentially is citizen power to control demand and thus control the corporations. No govt needed.
When people stop buying, the corps are forced to adapt or go under.

Monopolies are propped up by citizens who choose to support them.
Self responsibility has become a bad word.

reply to post by RandyBragg


*The right to adequate medical care and the opportunity to achieve and enjoy good health.

You say we already have this??? Are you kidding me?

Here's my story: I lost my right leg above the knee. In my state I can't get medicaid, or health insurance, because I am "not disabled"in their eyes, Because I can make and prepare my own meals.With the use of crutches. Well I'd love for them to find me a job where all I have to do is make two sandwiches per day, and get paid a salary I can live on

In my state there is NO WAY to get medicaid without getting disability. They go hand and hand. All I want is healthcare so I can get a prostetic made, so I can get a job, I don't even wan't the disability money. But I can't...you call this "adequet medical care"?

The second Bill of rights was the best thing Never to happen in this country. If Obama tries this, I can guarantee, he'll be quickly dispatched of. I don't like Obama at all, but if he's really following in FDR's unfinished work. Bravo!

All you selfish people kill me. Provide for yourself you say, blah blah. Yea I was doing that until some lunatic decided it'd be fun to push me off the platform onto the LIRR tracks. What if you woke up tommorow without your leg, and every job you ever had/did were good at, you needed two legs to do. How would you take care of yourself without the governments/other peoples help? You wouldn't. What if your family couldn't help, and the government just kept turning you down because you aren't disabled in their eyes, while giving thousands and thousands of dollars to first gen Latinos, because they have 5 kids. But you don't, so no money for you.

You know what I get from the government? $100 a month in foodstamps and ZERO healthcare. It's obvious I need some type of medical care..I think?. Try to feed yourself on $25 a week, it's not too fun and certainly not healthy. I feel my mind is going now as well. certainly can't be good.

Not every poor person is lazy.

All I ask for as a 3rd gen American, born here, like my father and grandfather, who has familiy that fought and died for this country is a prostetic leg. But nope, sorry guy.., we can't help you, because you aren't disabled. But Mrs. Fernandez who's 400 lbs with 6 kids is in our eyes disabled. We'll be giving her the max allowable, while her husband(though they stay unmarried to skirt the system) makes $50k a year off the books doing a job you used to do. Add up all that money and food stamps and health coverage the "Fernadez" family gets and your talking $100k per year-$150k per year, compared to my $1.2k in foodstamps. It's disgusting. Tired of it.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
reply to post by seabag

 

The problem with big corporations is multilayered.

They are fictions, liability umbrellas, that get welfare from the state and have more rights than citizens.
They can break every free market rule in order to consolidate power, etc.

They can go to other nations and use slavery to make cheap crap rather than pay local wages.
They can lobby for new laws in their favor while citizens pay the price.

And people simply dont understand how to vote with their $$ and utilize boycotts.

We could go on. Corporations rely heavily on socialist and fascist initiatives to keep power.
Big corps Hate Free Market theory, as it would allow small new ventures to actually compete.

These types of posts display how woefully uneducated the left is when it comes to topics concerning the economy. A corporation is nothing more than a legal entity set up to facilitate transfer of ownership and limit the legal liability of its shareholders. These evil corporation are owned by shareholders of which are limited only by the amount of capital they have to invest. In other words, anyone can own a corporation, not just the evil 1%. Corporations are only interested in profit, not social engineering so I am not even sure how you came up with "Corporations rely heavily on socialist and fascist initiatives to keep power."

In addition, your notion that of corporations go to other countries and use slavery is absurd, that is unless you think slaves get paid for their labor. Also, would you care to explain how a profit seeking entity would want to keep its base of consumers as poor as possible?

reply to post by Nola213


www.ehow.com...

But you need to be disabled to get health insurance??
So you don't have health insurance and they didn't just let you bleed out in the hospital.

Then you kinda just go off about things i never said or implied. Were you talking to me or just ranting?

reply to post by Nola213

All you selfish people kill me. Provide for yourself you say, blah blah. Yea I was doing that until some lunatic decided it'd be fun to push me off the platform onto the LIRR tracks.

Sorry to hear about your accident.

I don’t know any conservative who wants disabled people to fend for themselves. Everyone agrees with safety nets for people who truly need it. My only problem is with able bodied people who think because they are American they have a “right” to a home and a “right” to a certain income and a “right” to free healthcare etc.

If the shoe fits…wear it. If it doesn’t fit then don’t take it personal because the conversation isn’t about you.

Oh...and I'm not selfish!

reply to post by seabag

How about proposing a Bill of Obligations right along with it?

reply to post by PotKettle


I am not a leftist, in fact I am a hard core Free Market Capitalist, thats why I oppose crony capitalism and corporate welfare so strongly.

Slaves have ALWAYS been paid, room and board mostly.
They do need shelter and food in order to produce profits tomorrow after all.

Standing up agianst this quasi fascist / socialist crap is exactly what the right and left have failed to do in this nation.

Originally posted by seabag
reply to post by Wrabbit2000

 

I'm losing track of the comparisons to what President he and his people most want to say he's like? Is it Lincoln, Roosevelt or Reagan? They'd have us believe, it seems sometimes, they are all interchangeable.

Titles are not important….intent is.

Regardless what you call it, Obama wants an entitlement society and he wants to rule it.

“The right to own a home”?? Isn’t that the kind of crap that gave us the Fanny-Freddie housing bubble fiasco?

What is your problem - don't you even read what you post. The FDR bit that YOU quoted says nothing about the right to own a home it says "The right of every family to a decent home" (copied directly from your own post). And just what is wrong with that as an ideal to strive towards.

Please practise your reading and comprehension skills before trying to write anything cogent (look it up).

reply to post by seabag


Rights to a job sounds like forced labor to me.
Rights to a home? Ghettos for everyone.
Rights to heathcare? Disease for all.

Rule of thumb is take what they say, then read in between the lines.