Curious Canadian Couple Visits Newtown, CT One Month After Shooting

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I used to teach, too.
I had about 20 to 24 students in each class and barely any room to walk let alone teach from a distance where I didn't feel like I was hovering over them. Considering the classrooms I was in as a student, the classrooms today are half that size.
You really have no idea about the damage that can be done in a shooting or how far the carnage would spread. It's unrealistic that the survivors would escape without getting marked in some way.

Edit to Add: I think you need to think on that last quote in your signature. You seem to be at odds with this and may want to remove it from your signature until you're ready to practice it.

edit on 1-2-2013 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)

Funny, ive worked in 4 different school, never had a class of less that 30 students, and have never had a room as small as what you're describing. Given, lots of school are different, but never once have a seen one that was over full at 25 kids.

I have a very good idea of the carnage that can be done. I've had someone blood splattered on my shirt in a shooting. I also understand basic physics, which dictate that one must be withing a certain radius to be hit with splattered. Can you show me anything that even suggests that these kids were wihin that radius? Better yet, can you show me anything that proves "they didn't have a mark on them" as you claim? No?
And there you go, trying to deflect the topic to me personally. Why do you resort to that? Is it because logic is cauliflower your argument?

reply to post by theAnswer1111


Sorry but I do not need to TRY to discredit this….erm…movement. You guys have done that to yourselves many times over already.

Nice try though on your part.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by NickDC202

 

Your vision of what happened directly conflicts with Captynknots.
He says it was an elaborate process that took hours, all indoors and out of sight in the firehouse.
You suggest hundreds of kids were evaced before the scene was even controlled.

No, I suggest that it is likely that many parents arrived before the TV cameras or choppers (again, it is critically important to remember that the reports for a couple hours was of a much lower casualty number). Reporters (except for the local idiot who fabricated an interview with a dead woman) were largely unfamiliar with Sandy Hook Elementary School and upon arriving on the scene were focused on the unfolding situation at the school and not the firehouse. Given the fact that when the choppers arrived on the scene there was urgent police activity involving officers chasing potential suspects in the woods and elsewhere. Noting that most schools have televisions and web access, do you think for a second that the photogs in the choppers (who had no idea if active shooters were still on the scene) would jeopardize young children being evacuated to safety by broadcasting live images of such an evacuation and, in turn, endangering the lives of those kids being led to safety?

I am simply stating the most obvious thing: Simply because you didn't see it on television doesn't mean it didn't happen.

I have a lot of questions about the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary but I am convinced beyond a reasonable doubt that those children were killed.

reply to post by NickDC202
You would think that Mrs. Hicks would know and have details about the evacuation...

But, no. All we get is one little pic of a "Conga Line"... (link posted to provide context)

This is a thread that contains my analysis of the holes in the Newtown Bee's report...Source

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by NickDC202

 

You would think that Mrs. Hicks would know and have details about the evacuation...

But, no. All we get is one little pic of a "Conga Line"... (link posted to provide context)

Source

Please don't use the Newtown Bee as a source; it enrages me. I'm sure the lying reporter pulled an old photo that could work with her fake story showing an evacuation based on what a dead woman told her...

As I said earlier:
The Newtown Bee published their first story quoting a woman (the principal) who had been killed-- they fabricated the story!!! The author of the story has not been fired or reprimanded for publishing blatant lies and the editor who approved the story is still employed by the publication. That being said, why would anyone believe one word published by the Newtown Bee. Their explanation/correction of the story was less than forthcoming. IMO that publication should not be trusted nor one word believed.

Nothing baffles me more than when someone will use the Newtown Bee as a source when discussing the tragedy because frankly the Newtown Bee isn't even reputable enough to use to pick up a dog's feces.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

have never had a room as small as what you're describing. Given, lots of school are different, but never once have a seen one that was over full at 25 kids.

You've never taught in Florida. The school I taught at was brand new and one of my classrooms was actually designed to be a storage closet, but turned it into a classroom. I don't know who designed this school, but they had to bring in about 10 portables the first month it was open. Just completely ridiculous.
I can only imagine that if this had happened in one of my classrooms, I would have evidence on me.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
I also want to add this video that shows that there was actually no broken glass in the front of the school.

Hi,
I read the article in the OP and applaud the folks going to SH for themselves. I wish more so called 'internet investigators' took direct action rather than staying in their bedrooms.
Having said that... I can't talk... I've been doing some 'bedroom' research on this as the whole case troubles me. My excuse is I live in the UK so traveling to SH is out of the question!

I do think that on the surface there seem to be many, many strange anomalies BUT this could be due to the terrible media reporting and confusion on the day. I do believe 26 + people were killed at the school but I'm yet to be convinced it was just Adam Lanza who shot them and I'm also confused by the 10 minute helicopter footage IF the shadow analysis time of 10.30 ish is correct.

I thought I'd try and find some photos of the SH Elementary School Building prior to the shooting so I used Google Image search and set a filter to get images prior to December 2012.

And I found this photo on the first page which debunks the above quoted assertation by yourself and also Pat Jack in his video that the image he analyses proves that no glass was shot out.



Please count the windows and notice where the buzzer is. In the now famous photo that shows the kids streaming out of the school we can only see FIVE of the window panels... and none are broken... but as the above photo proves there are SIX window panels and then the glass doors... so we cannot see the glass doors or the window next to them in the photo you refer to, and so... given the numerous eye witness reports to the glass being broken I think we should agree that the glass was quite probably broken.

And move on to the other anomalies... of which there are loads.

EDIT: Here is the source link to the photo I found:
Newtown Bee: Photo of SH school entrance

reply to post by NickDC202
It was only for context...I also do not trust that source.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

have never had a room as small as what you're describing. Given, lots of school are different, but never once have a seen one that was over full at 25 kids.

You've never taught in Florida. The school I taught at was brand new and one of my classrooms was actually designed to be a storage closet, but turned it into a classroom. I don't know who designed this school, but they had to bring in about 10 portables the first month it was open. Just completely ridiculous.
I can only imagine that if this had happened in one of my classrooms, I would have evidence on me.

That's wonderful. But it IN NO WAY stands as evidence as what happened in that room at SH. At all. Can you provide any evidence of what I've already asked? Can you provide evidence that the room at sandy hook was that small?

If not, you're making stuff up in hopes of proving Your 'theory'

reply to post by manmental
Thanks for your analysis. I wonder if the broken one is out of view, then?

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by NickDC202

 

It was only for context...I also do not trust that source.

But that individual's "reporting" that day has been proven to be a complete fabrication therefore, as a former journalist, it is quite easy for me to discredit anything and everything she "reported" that day. It is even easier for me to say that the Newtown Bee should NOT be used as a source of information about this case simply because they allowed a "reporter" to publish a fabricated article and did not reprimand her or terminate her. The editor who approved the article faced no reprimand or termination. And, the retraction the paper printed was less than forthcoming. Therefore it is quite easy for me to state that if you trust the Newtown Bee as a source, you're a silly goose.

That being said, I'm missing your point Answer

reply to post by theAnswer1111


I would say 'yes'. If you include the two glass door panels then there are three glass areas we cannot see in the photo Pat looks at.
I've read and heard so many reports of broken glass, glass shot out, crunching glass underfoot that i think it's safe to assume the glass was broken.
It's odd that no press thought to take photos of the broken glass (confusion/tunnel vision on the day?) but one would think that in theory they could have and so it wouldn't make any sense for anyone (involved in a possible false flag) to make up the broken glass story. As one photo could disprove it and I think if this did have orchestrated elements then whoever did it wouldn't make such a basic error.

I think more clues lie in tracking the individuals in the 10 minute heli video as their circular motion around the firehouse is bizarre to say the least.

reply to post by NickDC202
Did you click the link?

I did my own investigation and tore a part any credibility that those "reporters" had. I would never directly link to the Newtown Bee. The fact that the story about the interview with Dawn Hochsprung has been wiped clean of any single trace just goes to prove that they are trying to cover their tracks for some reason.

My Thread with News Analysis (for context)

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I don't believe anything will make you believe anything that contradicts the official story.
All I've heard is that Ms. Soto shielded her students. If this is true, where were these six students because they obviously weren't behind her when she and their classmates were shot.

reply to post by DelMarvel


We'll never have the evidence.

Ever.

That's what makes it a conspiracy. If we ever saw the autopsy reports, especially on the shooter we'd have proof.

I bet we'd find that Adam Lanza's wounds weren't self inflicted.

Or that the children were shot with multiple hand guns and not just the Bushmaster like we're told.

Why did Gene Rosen become Michael jackson for a few hours instead of calling the police? Why didn't that bus driver do what he or she (Since varying reports) protocol would have dictated and said "We need to call the police."

Not only were his actions strange. They were irresponsible and he probably prolonged authorities search efforts.

This man isn't a hero.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I don't believe anything will make you believe anything that contradicts the official story.
All I've heard is that Ms. Soto shielded her students. If this is true, where were these six students because they obviously weren't behind her when she and their classmates were shot.

So in other words, because I call you out for not backing up your claims, you dont believe that i have questions...fair enough. As Ive said, you are a fine example of the 'truther' movement. Its not about truth, its about being the one who gains notoriety for finding a 'smoking gun'-which, in case you havent noticed, hasnt happened. Not only has it not happened, but there has yet to be ANYTHING presented that even remotely resembles credible evidence of some grand conspiracy. NOT. ONE. THING.

That said, Ive said it many times, and Ill say it again: I do believe there are questions that need to be answered, but right now, nothing can convince me to believe anything that contradicts the 'official story', as there is no official story yet to contradict.

I am glad, though, that you ask about where these kids were in the room-thus, proving that you can present NOTHING that shows that they should have been within the splatter trail...and, thus, proving that you are making things up in the hopes of supporting your 'theory'.

Then again, when you present thing like "CSI", "Criminal Minds" and "Gallagher" as your evidence, its pretty apparent anyway.

Originally posted by stickywicket
reply to post by Brocade

 

Is there a diagram or a map of the interior of the school somewhere out there? I'd like to know where the kitchen is and I'm also curious about Room 9. It said on the scanner that one of the injured teachers was from Room 9 or at least that's what it sounds like to me.

I've tried but the only map I've been able to find is the one here, which doesn't show much at all. I did wonder if the 'multi-purpose room' might be a home economics classroom, which might be what was described as the kitchen? But that's just a guess, I have nothing to base that on.

I'd really like to see a more detailed map if anyone finds one.

reply to post by Brocade
Yeah, we gotta figure out what those other rooms are. Here is the embedded version of the map you're referring to, just for good measure.

reply to post by captaintyinknots

I am glad, though, that you ask about where these kids were in the room-thus, proving that you can present NOTHING that shows that they should have been within the splatter trail...and, thus, proving that you are making things up in the hopes of supporting your 'theory'.

What am I "making up"? You think I'm lying about being a teacher in a poorly designed school?
I'd like to see how big the rooms were in this school, but I'm unable to find a map of its interior.
Like I said, the reports from witnesses in Ms. Sotos' classroom stated that she sheilded her students during the shooting. So, yes. I am left to wonder why these kids didn't have evidence on them.

Then again, when you present thing like "CSI", "Criminal Minds" and "Gallagher" as your evidence, its pretty apparent anyway.

I'm using these as examples that anyone can understand without being too gory.
Besides, these shows actually utilize people who have worked in the field of forensics so their episodes are as close to reality as possible. I don't see why you're harping on this when I can't really post anything graphic that would illustrate my point better.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I am glad, though, that you ask about where these kids were in the room-thus, proving that you can present NOTHING that shows that they should have been within the splatter trail...and, thus, proving that you are making things up in the hopes of supporting your 'theory'.

What am I "making up"? You think I'm lying about being a teacher in a poorly designed school?
I'd like to see how big the rooms were in this school, but I'm unable to find a map of its interior.
Like I said, the reports from witnesses in Ms. Sotos' classroom stated that she sheilded her students during the shooting. So, yes. I am left to wonder why these kids didn't have evidence on them.

Then again, when you present thing like "CSI", "Criminal Minds" and "Gallagher" as your evidence, its pretty apparent anyway.

I'm using these as examples that anyone can understand without being too gory.
Besides, these shows actually utilize people who have worked in the field of forensics so their episodes are as close to reality as possible. I don't see why you're harping on this when I can't really post anything graphic that would illustrate my point better.

1)Youre making it up that they should have had 'evidence' on them. You're making it up that they definitely DIDNT have evidence on them. Youre making it up that "gallagher" is somehow indicative of a blood splatter trail.

2)Go ask a forensics expert about those shows. Them come back and admit how foolish it is to present them as ANY sort of evidence.