Curious Canadian Couple Visits Newtown, CT One Month After Shooting

Originally posted by Afterthought

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by hellobruce

Originally posted by Afterthought
Especially with the shows we see on TV today like CSI and Criminal Minds that are educating us about this type of evidence after a shooting.

So you think if it is on tv it must be true.....

Best evidence I have seen in the sandy hook debate yet...."CSI and CRIMINAL MINDS SAYS SO"

Go ahead and laugh, but these shows are actually pretty accurate when showing how forensics is used to measure blood spatter and knife wounds. These are real techniques and they actually use lasers and pig carcasses to figure out where bullets entered and where someone was shot according to the blood spatter.

Sure, they show some real techniques. They also dont show a lot of techniques, and either way, to use that as a type of 'evidence' in the sandy hook case is hilarious...and a perfect example of the 'truther' movement.

Originally posted by theAnswer1111
reply to post by Sek82

 

It does not look like a legitimate "evacuation" to me.

My view is that there would be hundreds of kids and adults visible around the school and surrounding area.

In that type of chaos, considering it was not a fire or earthquake, I would think that the kids and adults would be locking the doors and hitting the deck until they could be safely escorted out, which we have seen none of.

You realize that parents would likely respond to the designated area faster than the media.
The reason you don't see aerial footage of the children being evacuated is it likely occurred faster than the news station could deploy their chopper ( which would have come from Hartford or Manhattan)
Not everything in life will be broadcast and remember the earliest reports had the death count MUCH lower than the reality; meaning the decison by local news ( which again is both NYC and Hartford stations) likely did not occur immediately.
Additionally, the reporters main focus was on the police activity at the school and not the firehouse.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I'll do you a favor and meet you half way.
If I ever see a show (fictional or real forensics) that has a situation where someone is claiming to be in a room where many people were shot to death and they don't have a drop of blood on him/her, I'll send you a link.
I'd actually like to see how Hollywood or a real forensics show explains this phenomenon.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

I'll do you a favor and meet you half way.
If I ever see a show (fictional or real forensics) that has a situation where someone is claiming to be in a room where many people were shot to death and they don't have a drop of blood on him/her, I'll send you a link.
I'd actually like to see how Hollywood or a real forensics show explains this phenomenon.

Don't bother, as I would not accept a hollywood show or movie as evidence of anything, anyway, BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT. At all. Even a little.

If you can present me with any evidence that says they were in the line of a splatter trail, please do. Until then, all you are doing is making things up to fit a conspiracy theory.

reply to post by NickDC202
Your vision of what happened directly conflicts with Captynknots.
He says it was an elaborate process that took hours, all indoors and out of sight in the firehouse.
You suggest hundreds of kids were evaced before the scene was even controlled.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by NickDC202

 

Your vision of what happened directly conflicts with Captynknots.
He says it was an elaborate process that took hours, all indoors and out of sight in the firehouse.
You suggest hundreds of kids were evaced before the scene was even controlled.

I said it took hours? Quote, please? I said it is a 3 step process, in most cases. Why do you all feel the need to make stuff up?

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
Why do you all feel the need to make stuff up?

Well, that is the way conspiracy theories are formed.... they just make things up. Just look at the things conspiracy theorists have made up about 9/11 and Obama....

reply to post by theAnswer1111


What sort of evil are you talking about? What facts have you uncovered? A botched police report or handling of an investigation is one thing so what are you implying? Im not being a wise guy, Im looking for facts.

reply to post by captaintyinknots


How big do you think classrooms are nowadays?
They're a lot smaller than they used to be.
You know what, just go see a Gallagher show and sit in the front row. If you make it through the entire show without getting even one drop of watermelon juice on you, drop me a line.

reply to post by captaintyinknots
My bad, must have read someone else say that. Apologies.
How long do you think it took for them to clear all the kids to their parents in that firehouse?

reply to post by hellobruce

Well, that is the way conspiracy theories are formed.... they just make things up. Just look at the things conspiracy theorists have made up about 9/11 and Obama....

Or the JFK assassination.
Or 7/7.
Or Whitney Houston's death.
Or. Or. Or.
I don't want to live in a world where there aren't people who question these events.

Originally posted by Sek82
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

My bad, must have read someone else say that. Apologies.
How long do you think it took for them to clear all the kids to their parents in that firehouse?

Different in every situation, and I have never been in a situation like that, so for me to say would be nothing but blind conjecture on my part.

In the drills I have been a part of (which didnt include this many students), it was a fairly quick process, the slowest part being getting the parents through the 3 lines.

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

How big do you think classrooms are nowadays?
They're a lot smaller than they used to be.
You know what, just go see a Gallagher show and sit in the front row. If you make it through the entire show without getting even one drop of watermelon juice on you, drop me a line.

edit on 1-2-2013 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)

Im a former teacher. Taught until very recently. Classrooms are not that small. Definitely not so small that the entire room would be hit by a splatter trail.

So now Gallagher is your evidence?

Dont know much about physics, do ya? The explosions from the force of a sledge hammer is FAR different than a bullet splatter trail.

So we've got CSI, Criminal Minds, and now Gallagher presented as 'evidence'....again, a fine example of the trutehr movement.

reply to post by KoolerKing
That was just my intuitive feeling, others share the feeling of an evil presence being involved, too...

I can't prove a feeling, though.

I don't know what you're talking about when you say truther movement, this is not 9/11.

It might be the second mass psyops against the American populace effectively making it 9/11 v2.0, but come on... Doesn't mean we all have to be tossed into the same category!

reply to post by captaintyinknots


I used to teach, too.
I had about 20 to 24 students in each class and barely any room to walk let alone teach from a distance where I didn't feel like I was hovering over them. Considering the classrooms I was in as a student, the classrooms today are half that size.
You really have no idea about the damage that can be done in a shooting or how far the carnage would spread. It's unrealistic that the survivors would escape without getting marked in some way.

Edit to Add: I think you need to think on that last quote in your signature. You seem to be at odds with this and may want to remove it from your signature until you're ready to practice it.

reply to post by theAnswer1111
I'm going to do some independent investigations into evacuation procedures to get a better idea about whether people WALKING IN CIRCLES is "standard procedure". I'll document and report my findings when this happens.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

How big do you think classrooms are nowadays?
They're a lot smaller than they used to be.
You know what, just go see a Gallagher show and sit in the front row. If you make it through the entire show without getting even one drop of watermelon juice on you, drop me a line.

edit on 1-2-2013 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)

Im a former teacher. Taught until very recently. Classrooms are not that small. Definitely not so small that the entire room would be hit by a splatter trail.

So now Gallagher is your evidence?

Dont know much about physics, do ya? The explosions from the force of a sledge hammer is FAR different than a bullet splatter trail.

So we've got CSI, Criminal Minds, and now Gallagher presented as 'evidence'....again, a fine example of the trutehr movement.

I don't login often,just read a lot here..I have to give you thanks for bringing some sanity/logic to this insane thread.
Btw,Your last line in the quote above made me chuckle.
Ltr,Logging off now,back to reading.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by Afterthought
reply to post by captaintyinknots

 

How big do you think classrooms are nowadays?
They're a lot smaller than they used to be.
You know what, just go see a Gallagher show and sit in the front row. If you make it through the entire show without getting even one drop of watermelon juice on you, drop me a line.

edit on 1-2-2013 by Afterthought because: (no reason given)

Im a former teacher. Taught until very recently. Classrooms are not that small. Definitely not so small that the entire room would be hit by a splatter trail.

So now Gallagher is your evidence?

Dont know much about physics, do ya? The explosions from the force of a sledge hammer is FAR different than a bullet splatter trail.

So we've got CSI, Criminal Minds, and now Gallagher presented as 'evidence'....again, a fine example of the trutehr movement.

I see your still trying to bring sanity to the …erm….not so sane.

I think you have uncovered the real problem here. It’s like you just got a confession from the movement. You have more patience than I do that is for sure. I guess it is worth it for moments like those.

reply to post by Grimpachi
This reply is a direct attempt to discredit smart folks. It's typical of the MSM...

"Conspiracy Theorists" are loony and heartless armchair sleuths that question the lives of children...

Nice try.