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Jesus spent 40 days in the Desert. I only spent 21, but here's what began to happen;
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reply to post by dominicus
Wow, great post.
Reminds me of the story of how Buddha came to be.
You should definitely look into a permanent solution for solitude. One of my good friends started Buddhist meditation then started going to retreats far far away. Once he went to China for a two month retreat and when he came back, he felt depressed and empty and really wanted to go back.
I'm inspired to do a isolation journey on my own but there is definitely no way I can do it in the next few months. Maybe in a year I can try it out.
What do you think would happen if you were with 1 other friend? What would you think would've happen if you had brought 2 friends? 3? would the experience have been delayed? not as high in quality of experience?
Wow, great post.
Reminds me of the story of how Buddha came to be.
You should definitely look into a permanent solution for solitude. One of my good friends started Buddhist meditation then started going to retreats far far away. Once he went to China for a two month retreat and when he came back, he felt depressed and empty and really wanted to go back.
I'm inspired to do a isolation journey on my own but there is definitely no way I can do it in the next few months. Maybe in a year I can try it out.
What do you think would happen if you were with 1 other friend? What would you think would've happen if you had brought 2 friends? 3? would the experience have been delayed? not as high in quality of experience?
edit on 28-12-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by eLPresidente
reply to post by dominicus
Wow, great post.
Reminds me of the story of how Buddha came to be.
You should definitely look into a permanent solution for solitude. One of my good friends started Buddhist meditation then started going to retreats far far away. Once he went to China for a two month retreat and when he came back, he felt depressed and empty and really wanted to go back.
I'm inspired to do a isolation journey on my own but there is definitely no way I can do it in the next few months. Maybe in a year I can try it out.
What do you think would happen if you were with 1 other friend? What would you think would've happen if you had brought 2 friends? 3? would the experience have been delayed? not as high in quality of experience?edit on 28-12-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)
I agree, one should look for permanet solitude. Permanent solitude is to be found inside - not outside. When it is found inside - it is yours and you take it everywhere. Constant peace and joy.
Solitude is about being alone. Most people are never alone even when there are no other people around. They appear to have another person in their head that continually talks. True solitude is about getting rid of this incessant noise.
The problem with learning to speak is that when there is nobody there, you never get any get any quiet. When there is no one there, you think.
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edit on 28-12-2012 by Itisnowagain because: (no reason given)
reply to post by dominicus
Starred and Flagged. I enjoyed reading your trip into the real world; your observations and revelations. What initially seems like deafening
quiet opens into a higher level of reality and you suddenly realize you are surrounded by life and the noises of life; that even small lizards have
their lives, their personalities; their habits and territory. Trees and plants too live as members of this and that community and that they support
and nuture one another. In my lifetime, I have spent months at a time in the deserts, forests...you name it, I have rough it there; that is when and
where I came to realize that all living creatures are not just the living,breathing creature you see but that the whole of that creature is somewhere
else and is living and experiencing life through the body we see. If you ever watch a hummingbird,you might notice that it has its personality, its
habits, its quirks.that it thinks and feels, and if you have noticed this, you may realize that hummingbird or lizard or snake or any living creature
is far more than could possibly be contained in their tiny bodies and brains.
Nice to hear some here are seeing just how artificial the civilized world is.
Nice to hear some here are seeing just how artificial the civilized world is.
edit on 28-12-2012 by MajorKarma because: (no reason given)
reply to post by dominicus
This reminds me of my time in Iraq. Most villages that were far from nearby towns pretty much lived like the stone age in exception to a few means of transportation but they knew how to self maintain with farms and cattle. Just like our ancestors did back then before banks took over most of the world with war. Also sleeping in the desert is just a whole new experience.
This reminds me of my time in Iraq. Most villages that were far from nearby towns pretty much lived like the stone age in exception to a few means of transportation but they knew how to self maintain with farms and cattle. Just like our ancestors did back then before banks took over most of the world with war. Also sleeping in the desert is just a whole new experience.
After attending a week-long survival school class, I felt many of the same things as I plugged back into normal society.
It was very alienating, depressing, almost disturbing.
We've lost the ways and worlds which we've evolved to live within. And we wonder why our various products, gadgets, and constructs don't deliver us relief from the very problems they create? We are an insane techno-society. Obsessed with technology, consumption, ownership, ego, authority, accumulation, climbing endless ladders to achieve illusory/man-made rewards. To quote Fight Club, "Working jobs we hate so we can buy sh** we don't need".
Need I say more?
It was very alienating, depressing, almost disturbing.
We've lost the ways and worlds which we've evolved to live within. And we wonder why our various products, gadgets, and constructs don't deliver us relief from the very problems they create? We are an insane techno-society. Obsessed with technology, consumption, ownership, ego, authority, accumulation, climbing endless ladders to achieve illusory/man-made rewards. To quote Fight Club, "Working jobs we hate so we can buy sh** we don't need".
Need I say more?
Really, come on really. I have seen posts on this site, why why why would you stay in a bat/spider infested rat hole and pretend to "Live through
these experiences". People, what are you thinking... believing a thing this person is saying? My goodness just because the world is still here after
12/21/12 is no cause to believe Charlie Manson has met God!!!
Originally posted by eLPresidente
You should definitely look into a permanent solution for solitude. One of my good friends started Buddhist meditation then started going to retreats far far away. Once he went to China for a two month retreat and when he came back, he felt depressed and empty and really wanted to go back.
I'm inspired to do a isolation journey on my own but there is definitely no way I can do it in the next few months. Maybe in a year I can try it out.
editby]edit on 28-12-2012 by eLPresidente because: (no reason given)
Solitude is not in a place you have to go to and then return. If this is the belief you will always be looking elsewhere for peace. If you found it in China, or in the woods, you might think that is where the peace is and when back in civilization you will be thinking of your peaceful place being somewhere else. Your mind will be somewhere else, dreaming of other - worshiping 'other'.
It is the 'worship of other' that destroys peace. God said 'worship no other'. He meant that you should be with what is present. In the woods or on a retreat you want nothing else. It is the 'not wanting' that is peaceful.
When you do not want anything 'other' and are not searching for more you are at peace.
Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by lonweld
Would you care to offer a source for this? Because usually the Native American way deals with the ingestion of a substance. Are you sure you've read into this enough? Reading into the 'ceremonial' practices that is.
My cousin (by marriage) is 50% Lakota, grew up on the reservation, taught me many things about the native ways. It is pure IGNORANCE to assume there was "substances" involved... That is Hollywood speaking there. Now the Apache (Texas-Arizona area) did use Peote for a "vision" quest, but not as a way to be at one with Tonkashala (the great spirit). That is not EVERY Native, as you are suggesting. The Sioux (Kansas-north Dakota area) used nothing for their vision quests. The "peace pipe" is TOBACCO, not pot or whatever else Hollywood claims.
So I'm thinking my source is pretty solid.
edit on 28-12-2012 by lonweld because: To make you ask questions
Wow, I do envy you. I often wish I could hide away in a cave somewhere, with my books, writing supplies and nature. There is something calming and
safe about nature, the silence within seems to echo.
PLPL
PLPL
Originally posted by lonweld
The "peace pipe" is TOBACCO, not pot or whatever else Hollywood claims.
In the right context, in the right hands, uncured tobacco is (was?) an entheogen.
Of course our modern foolish materialistic culture knows nothing of that context.
reply to post by dominicus
You didn't? The title of the thread would insinuate otherwise. Sorry but I don't believe you or your sense of personal entitlement.
You didn't? The title of the thread would insinuate otherwise. Sorry but I don't believe you or your sense of personal entitlement.
reply to post by Charmeine
So you just believe it? Sorry but from what the OP 'said' it is clearly a case of malnutrition. Could we have a doctor reply please. Unless you are you can't refute this statement can you?
So you just believe it? Sorry but from what the OP 'said' it is clearly a case of malnutrition. Could we have a doctor reply please. Unless you are you can't refute this statement can you?
reply to post by dominicus
nice read , may be that is how Jesus overcame all the weaknesses of Human-beings
nice read , may be that is how Jesus overcame all the weaknesses of Human-beings
Unfortunately it can take a lot of "work" to get to a place of real stillness, where the little monkey brain we all have finally shuts the # up!
You can try the "going to the desert" thing, or just decompress at home by turning off the phone, TV, Internet, avoiding unnecessary contact with
people (where you're going to just get caught up in pointless tribal "hive mind" behavior like watching sports, playing video games, or talking
about nothing REAL) -- and that's when you can start to hit those Alpha brainwave states while you're still awake. And that's the key to developing
sharp psychic perception.
When you've lived that way your whole life, you REALLY find so much of regular life and society very intrusive and assaultive. This year for example the Christmas season just drove me #ing batty; constant mind control with Xmas carols playing everywhere you go, constant emotional tension from all the broke families struggling to buy their overly indulged fat children Ipads that they don't need; just the tremendous angst and yuck of that enforced "holiday aka holyday" which is nothing BUT holy in our society.
Compare that to the genuinely loving, calm, creative, humorous and expansive energy Jesus had (and still has in the higher planes where he hangs out -- not to be confused with the lower astral beings like "Senanda" and their ilk) -- and it's night and day. And since Mithras (Roman god born of a virgin on Dec. 25th, who had 12 disciples, a last supper, died on a cross, and whose adherents slaughtered bulls and drank their blood in holy "communion" -- rather like pretending to drink Jesus' blood in modern Communion) is what people are really focusing on at Christmas without realizing it, it's all a bunch of nonsense that leads you further and further away from genuine self-reflection, spiritual union with a higher, more advanced loving energy, and the other good stuff that spiritual seekers long for.
Anyway, kudos to the OP for doing something different, keeping notes, and sharing that cool experience with us!
When you've lived that way your whole life, you REALLY find so much of regular life and society very intrusive and assaultive. This year for example the Christmas season just drove me #ing batty; constant mind control with Xmas carols playing everywhere you go, constant emotional tension from all the broke families struggling to buy their overly indulged fat children Ipads that they don't need; just the tremendous angst and yuck of that enforced "holiday aka holyday" which is nothing BUT holy in our society.
Compare that to the genuinely loving, calm, creative, humorous and expansive energy Jesus had (and still has in the higher planes where he hangs out -- not to be confused with the lower astral beings like "Senanda" and their ilk) -- and it's night and day. And since Mithras (Roman god born of a virgin on Dec. 25th, who had 12 disciples, a last supper, died on a cross, and whose adherents slaughtered bulls and drank their blood in holy "communion" -- rather like pretending to drink Jesus' blood in modern Communion) is what people are really focusing on at Christmas without realizing it, it's all a bunch of nonsense that leads you further and further away from genuine self-reflection, spiritual union with a higher, more advanced loving energy, and the other good stuff that spiritual seekers long for.
Anyway, kudos to the OP for doing something different, keeping notes, and sharing that cool experience with us!
reply to post by LipstickMystic
PS: If you can learn to lose your "human-ness" and the perpetual disquiet we all carry around so often in our energy fields, even VERY wild animals will start to trust you, come near, and begin to tell you about their lives and share their knowledge. Anybody can develop their "Earth speak" talents; they are latent but very much still with us all. It rocks your world when a tree starts to tell you what's been going on in his local area for hundreds of years, and then that tree taps into the collective consciousness of ALL trees to start telling you about Earth's early history, the pre-history of humans, and so on. You have to learn to get out of your own way, keep your heart open, remain humble, and LISTEN. Kind of the inverse of how we're trained growing up in how we're conditioned to hold our energy.
PS: If you can learn to lose your "human-ness" and the perpetual disquiet we all carry around so often in our energy fields, even VERY wild animals will start to trust you, come near, and begin to tell you about their lives and share their knowledge. Anybody can develop their "Earth speak" talents; they are latent but very much still with us all. It rocks your world when a tree starts to tell you what's been going on in his local area for hundreds of years, and then that tree taps into the collective consciousness of ALL trees to start telling you about Earth's early history, the pre-history of humans, and so on. You have to learn to get out of your own way, keep your heart open, remain humble, and LISTEN. Kind of the inverse of how we're trained growing up in how we're conditioned to hold our energy.
edit on 28-12-2012 by LipstickMystic because: spelling
Originally posted by NoJoker13
reply to post by dominicus
You didn't? The title of the thread would insinuate otherwise. Sorry but I don't believe you or your sense of personal entitlement.
So you're assuming that I am comparing myself to Jesus based on the title of this thread? Why not assume then, that I'm comparing my 21 days in the wilderness and what happened there, to Jesus' 40 days in the desert?
Please prove the personal entitlement, besides assumption or giving us a relative subjective opinion. That's all I see at this point.
Also your earlier malnutrition point, was false as well.
Let me take a crack at assumption and projection.
Your on ats, a conspiracy site. Your avatar is the joker, could be a comparison to joker from the last batman series. The batman shooter also called himself the joker and had his face painted that way. The number 13 is considered unlucky. You've replied in the "Civil War, Senate to go for handguns" thread.
Its rather obvious at this point you should have feds watching your every move, cause who knows what you are about to do.
Assumption sure is fun and based entirely on truth!!!!!!
reply to post by dominicus
Ahh, Mr. D., just ignore the troll. People with an open mind and an open heart appreciated your post just as it is.
Those whose vital organs are still a bit, um, shall we say CRUSTY, missed your point by a mile.
Again, thank you very much for sharing your experiences, and feel free to share more of your thoughts and adventures if you think it's appropriate! I'm sending the trolls my troll blasting psychic laser beams!
Ahh, Mr. D., just ignore the troll. People with an open mind and an open heart appreciated your post just as it is.
Those whose vital organs are still a bit, um, shall we say CRUSTY, missed your point by a mile.
Again, thank you very much for sharing your experiences, and feel free to share more of your thoughts and adventures if you think it's appropriate! I'm sending the trolls my troll blasting psychic laser beams!
Originally posted by LipstickMystic
reply to post by dominicus
Ahh, Mr. D., just ignore the troll. People with an open mind and an open heart appreciated your post just as it is.
Those whose vital organs are still a bit, um, shall we say CRUSTY, missed your point by a mile.
Again, thank you very much for sharing your experiences, and feel free to share more of your thoughts and adventures if you think it's appropriate! I'm sending the trolls my troll blasting psychic laser beams!
Thanks for the thumbs up on the thread.
Yeah I think it's time to ignore the troll. I've already given "it" a taste of it's own assumption trolling medicine, so that should be enough.
I'm planning a 40 day retreat some time in 2013 and will repost updates on that as well.
Thanks, and I join you in sending the trolls my troll blasting psychic laser beams!