Jesus spent 40 days in the Desert. I only spent 21, but here's what began to happen;

Originally posted by BlueMule

Originally posted by lonweld

The "peace pipe" is TOBACCO, not pot or whatever else Hollywood claims.

In the right context, in the right hands, uncured tobacco is (was?) an entheogen.

Of course our modern foolish materialistic culture knows nothing of that context.

I've read that, too. To this day there are "tabaqueros"/curanderos in the Amazon who use it as a tool of healing and/or to induce visions. Their variety of wild tobacco was/is a hell of a lot "cleaner" than the industrial variety. It's grown without chemical fertilizers or pesticides and contains none of the ingredients added to cigarettes, such as aluminum oxide, potassium nitrate, ammonium phosphate, polyvinyl acetate, and a hundred or so others, which make up approximately 10% of the smokable matter. During combustion, a cigarette emits some 4,000 substances, most of which are toxic. Some are even radioactive. Their wild variety even has a higher nicotine content - sometimes to the tune of 18x more (the Nicotiana rustica species used by shamans contains up to 18% nicotine, whereas the Virginia-type Nicotiana tabacum tobacco leaves contain from 0.5% to 1% nicotine in Europe and occasionally reach 2% in the United States).

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You should be proud of yourself, I came to the same realization in a different setting.

Don't forget or you will be back!

This sounds amazing, thanks for sharing!

I have been longing for some time now to just escape it all, especially to some deserted tropical island haha..

I see tree auras too, though can do so naturally

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So that wasn't your insinuation at all by saying 'Jesus spent 40 days in the Desert. I only spent 21, but here's what began to happen'..... I'm not sure where your going here clearly you said it to make a comparison. Otherwise what was the point of the thread title? How about I spent 21 days in the wilderness, started to trip balls, and now think I've reached spiritual enlightenment. That's what you meant to say then?

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Also no offense but I think your fibbing quite a bit about this whole thing. Would you like me to point out the reasons why I think that is so also?

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Okay they removed my post because I said your 'source' was unreliable. Not exactly sure why but instead I'll provide ACTUAL sources.

en.wikipedia.org...
en.wikipedia.org...
www.unexplainedstuff.com...

So in short, you can reach these states through natural means, but usually that isn't the case. Again also a lack of food is a very big cause of this, that and spoiled or rotten food.

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So that wasn't your insinuation at all by saying 'Jesus spent 40 days in the Desert. I only spent 21, but here's what began to happen'..... I'm not sure where your going here clearly you said it to make a comparison.

To make a comparison of my time in the wilderness, in which I was also tempted by the ego to leave, to give in to fear, to various insights. I think it's amazing that you did not deduce through logic & reason that the comparison is to time spent in the wilderness, when not a single other poster on thread accuses me of comparing myself to Jesus (which I never would anyway) .....twas very troll like of you, as many others have said.

Otherwise what was the point of the thread title? How about I spent 21 days in the wilderness, started to trip balls, and now think I've reached spiritual enlightenment. That's what you meant to say then?

I never did trip balls during the 21 days because there were no substances and there was no malnutrition. Neither did I claim to have reached enlightenment there. You sure are pouring the gas on the fires of assumptions/projections, all of which are untrue. Didn't momma ever tell you not to judge a book by its cover, or to jump to conclusions? Perhaps when I do the 40 day trip, you can come with, as your assumptions clearly show you could use it.

Also no offense but I think your fibbing quite a bit about this whole thing. Would you like me to point out the reasons why I think that is so also?

I'll tell you what, if you can fund a trip to a certified lie detector test taker, I'll be more than glad to hook myself up to for the sake of proving I have nothing to hide about this post. Heck yuo can also hook up my chap who dropped me off there as well.

Okay they removed my post because I said your 'source' was unreliable. Not exactly sure why but instead I'll provide ACTUAL sources. en.wikipedia.org... en.wikipedia.org... www.unexplainedstuff.com... So in short, you can reach these states through natural means, but usually that isn't the case. Again also a lack of food is a very big cause of this, that and spoiled or rotten food.

The food was fresh, and for the billionth time, there was no malnutrition. Also go to page 7 and watch the documentary I posted as the initial motivation for me going on the solo trip. I don't think I've ever come across a worse troll than you, constantly repeating the same points even after I provide my rebuttal every time.

Seriously, come join me on the next wilderness trip. Are you in the states?

OP - ignore the troll. He just doesn't get it.

The photo I just added to my avatar is where I solo hike and I love it. Very peaceful, and I prefer to hike alone to be with my own thoughts. Being alone in nature can be very powerful. Thanks again for sharing your experience. You wrote what you felt at the time and you don't need to explain yourself further.

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I'm sure their wasn't any 'malnutrition' at all, you did say you were fasting correct? Also a lie detector test wouldn't prove a thing, since truth is in the eye of the beholder why do you think it doesn't work with serial killers. I think you should read a bit about Charles Manson, he felt he had reached spiritual enlightenment too.

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Doesn't get what? That the mind can play tricks? That fasting, would entail a lack of the regular nutrition the body was used to therefor making malnutrition a reasonable explanation for seeing 'glowing trees'.

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Just more troll like assumptions. My normal daily routine, consists of skipping breakfast and lunch and eating only dinner. All I did during the retreat is bring down the number of calories to a basic necessity. I have fasted before to a malnutrition and delusional point before, and this wasn't like that, so you wrong again for like the millionth time and can't seem to get anything right.

I think you should read a bit about Charles Manson, he felt he had reached spiritual enlightenment too.

Yea he was taking lsd, and I was all natural w no substances. Don't knock a retreat til you try it. Considering your the only troll here trying to disprove everything, shows that your in your own little delusional bias bubble.

By the way, there is something called real enlightenment and does not need drugs to realize.

Doesn't get what? That the mind can play tricks?

How do you know your mind isn't playing tricks on you now? Considering its trying everything it can to disprove me without yourself having done a 21 day solo retreat.

That fasting, would entail a lack of the regular nutrition the body was used to therefor making malnutrition a reasonable explanation for seeing 'glowing trees'.

Open your third eye and you'll see trees glowing too. Can't believe your still on the malnutrition trip. No matter how many times I say that there was no malnutrition, you are like deaf and blind to what anyone else says, and only choose to believe your own mind.

You have to be the life of the party, the chip off the old block, considering only you are right about everything. You should run for President. You got all of reality figured out

Good post OP,
Thanks for the story, I agree with what you're saying; of course letting go of your bias doesn't require a solitary journey of self exploration, and just opening your eyes is a good start.

In society people are always communicating; they reveal a lot about the nature of society when they do. I find I'm so bored of people because I find it almost too predictable. We are all so brutally absorbed by technology it is only rational that we seek a mechanical existence.

Meditation is so important today, everyone has lost touch with their bodies. I challenge people all the time to just turn off their mind and try to feel their body at work, and I'm yet to meet a modern man/woman who can do it successfully for any amount of time.. So hard to keep track of the conscious these days. Especially if you take up interest in things like politics. The parade never ends and you're just endlessly, and a lot of the time meaninglessly exploring terms and concepts.

Rationality is going to drive us all insane, we are so capable of rationalizing everything, from war, to debt, to anything. We do as we are told, we are so subdued by disillusionment and apathy. People feel helpless as individuals, so they are forever searching for something in the now to solve everything and fix their life and propel them to greatness.

Everyone wants to believe that there is a magic formula for life, and that right now this is the best we have. Most people with experience admit there are many flaws in our system, but they don't want to connect all the dots, or they choose the rabbit hole of the self, the endless maze of introspection over the reality that is all around us. The war, the death, the poverty, the slavery, life on Earth as we know it is being destroyed, from climate change to the extinction of animals, and no one gives a # because it's not cool too. Because it would be hard, because as an individual I have no responsibility to anyone but myself.

The truth is, there is so much good in us, but we are divided. The truth is, if you all knew what it feels like to be surrounded by people who are all working towards the same thing, who are united and stand for something they believe in. It's like a drug, you can't stop. It's better than any hollywood movie, any amount of porn, and perhaps even drugs (i haven't tried them all!). The feeling you from knowing you made some difference, that history will remember your unity, the thing you changed, and how it was better for them. Of course they will take it to the extreme and the circle repeats.

But as it is we are nothing, we are just letting it get worse, and that's how we will be remembered. Then in the future we will be totally forgotten, or simply referred to as why we don't use that ideology/method anymore. I hope that the future brings us all closer, I hope that the future blurs the line between good and evil and people are continually faced with the real reality, instead of being able to ignore it so easily thanks to mainstream media.

Our paradigm for life. All hail television.

Originally posted by SplitInfinity
reply to post by old_god

 

You can't say you were Fasting for a Month if you ate after sunset.

Split Infinity

No but my intake was low, the intention was there to avoid doing what I did in excess and it works, trust me (does wonders to deflate the ego)

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Well said

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I have gone 9 days without food. It was NOT PLEASANT! I drank a lot of water and I can tell you it is EXTREMELY PAINFUL to swallow or chew after 9 days of not doing so. Your throat feels like it is swallowing Glass Shards. I made the mistake of eating a Ham Sandwich with a pickle which I immediately threw up.

I should have opted for the Oatmeal.

As far as the mind being clear and focused after fasting...this is BULL$#!%! After a long period of fasting a person is not thinking clearly nor does a person have any thoughts on their mind other than how sick they are.

Split Infinity

I don't know if this has been posted yet and i don't mean to sound disrespectful to the op, but Jesus was in a desert and you were in a forest, big difference

Originally posted by Mickles
I don't know if this has been posted yet and i don't mean to sound disrespectful to the op, but Jesus was in a desert and you were in a forest, big difference

Oh crap your right!!!!!

I guess being in the wilderness (woods version) was pointless, cause it was not a desert.

Mods is there anyway to delete this thread because of the technicality that Mickles just pointed out?

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by Mickles
I don't know if this has been posted yet and i don't mean to sound disrespectful to the op, but Jesus was in a desert and you were in a forest, big difference

Oh crap your right!!!!!

I guess being in the wilderness (woods version) was pointless, cause it was not a desert.

Mods is there anyway to delete this thread because of the technicality that Mickles just pointed out?

Like I said I meant no disrespect, but why you linked Jesus' time in the desert to your time in the wilderness is strange as it has absolutely no connection whatsoever.

Originally posted by dominicus

Originally posted by Mickles
I don't know if this has been posted yet and i don't mean to sound disrespectful to the op, but Jesus was in a desert and you were in a forest, big difference

Oh crap your right!!!!!

I guess being in the wilderness (woods version) was pointless, cause it was not a desert.

Mods is there anyway to delete this thread because of the technicality that Mickles just pointed out?

so fasting has taught you sarcasm?

its nice that you has an experience that opened you up like that. however, without proper spiritual guidance, you will fall in love with your experiences....which themselves are just illusory constructs of the limited human mind.

as I said earlier: good luck- you're gonna need it.

Just for anyone thinking of trying this, as well as yourself. For Lent one year, I fasted as much as I could for the 40 days, in honour of Jesus' time in the desert - think I understand where you were coming from there. "As much as I could" means that, having researched what minimum food requirements for health are supposed to be (think it was about 750 calories a day), I stuck to that. No special experiences - that wasn't what it was for in any case - but just to tell you that it messed up my metabolism to the extent that I went to the doctor with worrying physical symptoms and these took more than a year to clear up. It's very sobering to think that there are people who are forced to manage on this amount, or even less, for much longer periods of time.