Where does the idea that Freemasons worship Lucifer come from??

reply to post by network dude


I already told you more than once, that proof is for mathematics or a court of law, we are in neither.
I can however provide you with many sources, but you are playing me for an "unknown" fool, I have many a time provided you with sources for the connection between modern day freemasonry and ancient esoteric and occult symbolism.

Just because you aren't enlightened to the fact that the statue of liberty is filled with esoteric and occult symbolism, does not mean it isn't there.

Again evidence is for a courtroom, you are in a conspiracy discussion forum!

But if you are seriously asking me to provide you with references of the connection between the modern day statue of liberty, and the roman goddess of liberty, you must think I am a fool, and you must have thought me to be someone I am not, I know you better than that Dude, just because it has been almost a year, since we last clinched, does not mean that I have forgotten your little games.

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by network dude

 

I already told you more than once, that proof is for mathematics or a court of law, we are in neither.

Ok, so everything that you write and speak is actually the truth now. My bad for questioning you after reading your posts! I should have known better, since you are a know - it - all . Every word you utter is true . You have quite a gift for a human, you know.

Throughout the thread by various and sundry and by yourself by lack of substantiated fact. Look, if you want to believe that Freemasons worship Lucifer because it satisfies something small within you, knock yourself out. That's entirely your prerogative and far be it for me to come between a conspiracy theorist and his prerogative. But please quit foisting your prerogative around the room as if it's fact.

I posted facts, I do not know what you are talking about. If you like to comment on the facts I have posted then
select what you want to talk about and then so we can debate.

I'm an Anglican. When the GAOTU is invoked, my thoughts are on the Trinitarian Christian understanding of the Holy Trinity. Our Muslim brothers are thinking of Allah. And so on down the line with our Sikh, Jewish and other faiths members.

You should read some of my posts, I think Chatolic religion is satanic, so I can care less about if you are an angelical, as for the trinity it has been forged with the other trinity.

How can someone be worshipping Lucifer if Lucifer isn't part of his own faith? No matter how many ways you try to contort and dissemble, it

Lucifer is just the son,"the king" behind him are greater forces. Just as Jesus broke free, I wish Lucifer the best of luck to do the same. I have already connected masonry to it in the threads I post in. Now masons wait in pity for the knowlege Lucifer has to provide, like hungry dogs. I will not hide it, your fraternity is a disgust to me.

reply to post by pepsi78

Where do we say that the weeping virgin is a goddess? She represents the unfinished state of the Temple.

You are esoterically and historically inaccurate in your assessment that Lady Liberty is equal to the weeping virgin. Also, note that the virgin weeping is but a symbol in the 3rd degree, it is not a ritual of its own as you so incorrectly labeled it.

reply to post by pepsi78

What does the EU have to do with Freemasonry? Nothing.

reply to post by LUXUS

How Lucifer the same as Poseidon?

reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

So you support the trashing of rights to privacy and rights to assemble?

Originally posted by fordrew

Originally posted by Schrödinger
reply to post by network dude

 

I already told you more than once, that proof is for mathematics or a court of law, we are in neither.

Ok, so everything that you write and speak is actually the truth now. My bad for questioning you after reading your posts! I should have known better, since you are a know - it - all . Every word you utter is true . You have quite a gift for a human, you know.

No where did I write I was the arbiter of the ultimate truth. And I do not know it all, I do know though that there is a lot of symbolism in the statue of liberty, as well as in freemasonry, and I also know that there are a lot of similarities that being coincidental or not!

You how ever missed the point completely. The technical terms of proof of evidence however do not belong in a forum like this, these are terms exclusively used in law and mathematics. Therefore asking us to bring the before mentioned technical terms means nothing outside these boundaries (read: mathematics and law)

That does not mean that someone should not base his thesis on sources!
This is a conspiracy theory forum, for conspiracy THEORIES (though it should be called conspiracy thesis/postulate though, since a theory is something completely different)

If you however would take your time to do your own research you would know that there have been written a ton of papers here on this forum, that connects modern day freemasonry, to ancient esoteric and occult symbolism. (The hows and whys are the theory, not that there is a connection, that is obvious for anyone with EYES)

reply to post by pepsi78


Lucifer is not a name of an entity or person as stated it is a title, like Christ or Lord!

Where do we say that the weeping virgin is a goddess? She represents the unfinished state of the Temple.

She is the same one, she has the book of knowlege, reads from it from the broken pillar that she is weeping on.

Statue of liberty holds a book, it also represents knowlege as in enlightment, one hand the enlightment torch in the other hand the book. Venus/Ishtar/libertas is or was better put the weeping virgin. (learn some Roman astron) You should really check out what the term Library implies and where it comes from along with the Virgina scales of justice.

You are esoterically and historically inaccurate in your assessment that Lady Liberty is equal to the weeping virgin. Also, note that the virgin weeping is but a symbol in the 3rd degree, it is not a ritual of its own as you so incorrectly labeled it.

I don't see how, it's a symbol of the third degree, so it's part of it. As for inaccurate I have told you it's not the case.

What does the EU have to do with Freemasonry? Nothing.

It is connected to the same goddess.

As I stated masonry is a satanic cult.

reply to post by Schrödinger


by implying that you do not need any evidence, that means that you are always right. What don't you understand about that buddy?

Originally posted by fordrew
reply to post by Schrödinger

 

by implying that you do not need any evidence, that means that you are always right. What don't you understand about that buddy?

No I am not implying anything like that, what you subjectively think I am implying is on your own accord.

Evidence is used in science and law.
Evidence is something that is irrefutable.

Lets say I could provide you with something that was irrefutable, then it would go from a conspiracy theory to a conspiracy fact.

I have no problem using sources, and as stated (which you completely chose to ignore) I have provided Network Dude with many of these!

reply to post by fordrew


Also I suggest you read up on a little something called epistemology!

reply to post by pepsi78

So anything with a book or a female figure is Masonic?

All we've seen is images posted with your opinions, and your opinion means # versus the reality and knowledge of Masonry.

So anything with a book or a female figure is Masonic?

What do you mean, the weeping virgin and father time is masonic, as well as for the statue of liberty(masonic from all point of view) were not talking about other things but the items in cause.
Like the statue of freedom from the capitol building with the "12 STARS" on her head made by masons ? (same liberty lady) same o same o same o.

All we've seen is images posted with your opinions, and your opinion means # versus the reality and knowledge of Masonry.

I don't know what you are talking about, I posted facts.

To everyone who isn't a Mason (including myself), don't you think it's long past time for us to start minding your own business? So they're a close knit organization with rules and certain rites known only to members, well if anyone wants to learn just what they are, join them!
There happens to be a Masonic Lodge just around the corner from my house, but I don't give a damn what they do or discuss whenever they have their meetings simply because I'm not a member, and as long as whatever it is they do or supposedly do at their meetings has no negative effect on myself and family, they can go ahead and do whatever Masons do! One thing I do know is that they do good work within the community, though most of it goes unheard of! Just like us non-Masons, they are human beings, and just like us non-Masons stand the same chance as everyone else of getting hit on the head with a piece of space junk should it fall from orbit! I also don't give a crap who or what they worship. and as the word "lucifer" means "light", they can go ahead and worship a burned out 100 Watt for all I care!
Go pick on an organization such as the Catholic Church and it's little boy sodomizing priests! There's evil for you, and they also seem to have no shortage of mumbo jumbo rites to perform, as they worship their different statues!

reply to post by pepsi78

No you posted misinterpretations and opinions.

reply to post by Bkrmn

It's not so much we wish people to mind their own business, but rather not call us liars or other filthy names. We are very open about our organization and the various appendant organizations attached to us. All are open knowledge, but not all are widely known. We attempt to discuss matters, but so many use non sequitur arguments like Masons have a symbol that has a woman and a book in it so all art with those symbols must be Masons, and for some sinister scheme. We wish for civility, but don't always get it from everyone.

Originally posted by Bkrmn
To everyone who isn't a Mason (including myself), don't you think it's long past time for us to start minding your own business?

Not at all this is a conspiracy theory forum, it is not us but them who should not be here.

No you posted misinterpretations and opinions.

No, they have been covered by facts back in the thread, this includes sources.

reply to post by pepsi78

Wait? You think we're not entitled to be here? Is our opinion any less than another person? Last time I checked I have the freedom to be here and will continue to be here.

Originally posted by KSigMason
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Wait? You think we're not entitled to be here? Is our opinion any less than another person? Last time I checked I have the freedom to be here and will continue to be here.

It is clear why you are here, the opinion of others regarding masonry bother you and your masonic affiliates.
Some one put it right, you are like a red phone, phone rings all the masons jump in.
Be here all you like.

reply to post by pepsi78

I'm bothered by lies.

Mason's started out as builders and that's all that they were, where they got some of there orginal symbolism from was ancient Egypt and the origins of the orginal symbolism from Egypt is by Christian definition satanic to which i don't disagree with, however (and here comes the tricky part) the Masons changed the symbolism from there orginal occultic beginings to something different which is much less satanic (if at all) then it's rooted beginings.


Where i think the confusion comes from is the way we perceive the Masons use of the symbolism, to which do we come to the conclusion that because some of the orginal symbolism from Egypt that they imploy is of a satanic origin there satanist or do we accept the fact that they have changed it enough that it no longer bares any resemblance to its satanic origin and arguments could be made both ways...hence we have over ten pages of debating.

One things for sure both the orginal Egyptian meaning and the Mason's take on the Egyptian part of there symbols are of intrest to TPTB/modern Illuminati or what ever you wanna call that group because they use it for power and in most cases not for good use...

One of the reasons the Masons are frowned upon is because TPTB have infiltrated that group and use the Masons knowledge of the symbology for there own purpose so when you here the words "secret higher up Masons" it's just the infiltrators who use the knowledge of the Masons for nefarious means.

That's why you often here most conspiricy theroist explain that they have no problem with the lower ranking Mason's, which is really to say they have problems with the infiltrators who have done such a good job of stealing the basic concept of the symbols of Masonry that you can't tell them apart from the modern day Illuminati(TPTB) which is why both groups get lumped in together.