Where does the idea that Freemasons worship Lucifer come from??

reply to post by King Seesar


Because I'm a Mason in Texas, there is no higher ranked Mason in Texas than Gene Carnes. This year. He doesn't answer to anyone but the votes of the members who elected him to office. There's no higher cabal that controls him, because he's only going to be in office for a one year term before he's replaced by another. I'm personally friends with at least 3 or 4 men who've sat in the office he currently holds. They've been the ultimate Masonic authority for the State of Texas for a term of one year, and come out the other side. I know them personally, they're not some nebulous, nameless shadow organization. They're men, elected to office by the members of the Grand Lodge of Texas, to serve for one year.

Fine, you might say, that's Blue Lodge Masonry. What about the Scottish Rite? Well, living in Texas I fall under the Southern Jurisdiction of the United States, which is lead by Ron Seale. I've met him too. There is no Mason who has any authority over him within the bodies of the Scottish Rite for 35 of the 50 US states. (He happens to be from Louisiana, and interestingly, the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Louisiana could, if he so chose, strip Ronald Seale of his Masonic membership, thus leaving the Scottish Rite Southern Jurisdiction without a leader, but he could not otherwise affect Scottish Rite policy.)

So we know where the buck stops. We know EXACTLY who the "high level Masons" are. Their photos and phone numbers are on their respective websites.

It's interesting times we are in for Masonry. Look at the GLNF or the how the Grand Lodge of Washington has severed ties with the Grand Encampment.

Originally posted by KSigMason
Look at...how the Grand Lodge of Washington has severed ties with the Grand Encampment.

You make an excellent point. It's hard to believe we're being controlled by "high-level" Freemasons when the sheep seem to be shutting them down.. I don't agree with the Grand Lodge of Washington's move here, but it's nice to have an example of who controls whom.

So none of you know who or what the Rain Man is?

Originally posted by blackrain17
So none of you know who or what the Rain Man is?

"15 minutes to Judge Wapner and The People's Court."

Is that the Rainman you're looking for?

reply to post by KSigMason


Yea that really wasen't the point i was trying to make with my post, my point was it's irrelevant if there is a secret sect of higher Masons that control you, what i was getting at is are you really worshiping Lucifer if you don't think or know you are???


As far as my take on a secret sect of higher Masons with higher degrees controlling all of Masonry, i'v been over this before but i'll say it again...i don't think it works like the main conspiracy that is talked about, i think there are some Masons who work for TPTB and they have there own set of rules and degrees sort of like a secret off shoot of Masonry but using Masonry as a shield and yes i think they asign them selfs higher degrees but these degrees aren't officially recognized or even known by Masons and if they (regular Masons) knew this was going on the off shoot Masons with the secret agenda would probably be kicked out of the lodge...

Now that being said because the Masons who are connected and have there secret (fake) side degrees seem to have lots of power being there one of the sub groups of TPTB people automatically assume they control all of you which in reality is not true, like i said if the Masons who weren't in bed with TPTB knew these Masons were using Masonry they way they are they would be kicked out....

Also even if i did believe the main conspiracy which states that there are official degrees higher then most Masons know (which i don't) this still wouldn't constitute "the higher ups" controlling all of you because anyway you wanna break it down you out number them...

reply to post by King Seesar


you and I have discussed this before. I would like to understand how it's possible to mistakenly worship anyone else than whom you direct your worship/love towards. The God I pray to was my God long before I became a mason. Today, it's the same guy. I talk to him, he listens and sometimes answers back. Masonry has brought me closer to him I think, but for the life of me, I cannot understand how because of learning how to use symbols and allegory to remind me of purity of life and rectitude of conduct, I am suddenly susceptible to worshiping Lucifer.

I am quite sure the same God you speak to is the same God I speak to. So either we both love God, or we are both being tricked into believing that God is Lucifer, or some such nonsense. Please explain this to me.

Interesting vieuw

previous link was the wrong one. Here is Lucifer reference 1:00min mark

reply to post by TribeOfManyColours


I didn't get much out of his stance on masonry, other than he thinks black masonry is completely different than white masonry. I even thought he was a mason. (PHA) But My feelings on Farakhan are that he is intent on starting a race war. He spreads hate and tries to drive a wedge between black and white while so many are trying desperately to repair this divide. Sadly, the men who seem to revel in the separation of races also like to quote Dr. King jr. when it's convenient to do so, all the while ignoring his core message. Hate is hate, no matter how it's dressed up.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

I didn't get much out of his stance on masonry, other than he thinks black masonry is completely different than white masonry. I even thought he was a mason. (PHA) But My feelings on Farakhan are that he is intent on starting a race war. He spreads hate and tries to drive a wedge between black and white while so many are trying desperately to repair this divide. Sadly, the men who seem to revel in the separation of races also like to quote Dr. King jr. when it's convenient to do so, all the while ignoring his core message. Hate is hate, no matter how it's dressed up.

That is what i noticed too, he wants to divide, perhaps start a race war

Still again, Lucifer in relation with the masons that was in it too

reply to post by TribeOfManyColours


he said something about Satan, but I never heard Lucifer. Him being a preacher of sorts, I imagine he brings up Satan as much as he brings up God. Perhaps more so since he is always trying to demonize anyone who isn't just like him.

Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by TribeOfManyColours

 

he said something about Satan, but I never heard Lucifer. Him being a preacher of sorts, I imagine he brings up Satan as much as he brings up God. Perhaps more so since he is always trying to demonize anyone who isn't just like him.

This man is attacking the FreeMasons, and saying the name of SATAN in that context. What he is I don't care, all secret societies have an end-date that is set in the not so far future.

The shriner video, the Statue of libety(doc), and this preacher all ref to SATAN/Lucifer/venus etc. (for me its the same vibiration/power)

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
all secret societies have an end-date that is set in the not so far future.

this is some fantasy I keep seeing on this site. It's an idea that people who are afraid of what they don't understand have come up with. I can tell you how a large group of you could find out for sure what evil intent our group has and only sacrifice one person to do it.

Organize a group and vote 1 person to petition for the degrees. Make sure you trust him with your life so you know he wouldn't lie to you. Then once he becomes a mason, he can tell you if there is anything that remotely sounds like the charges waged against masonry from the fanatical religious sites. It's the only way you could know for sure without actually joining yourself. Keep it covert so nobody knows who the infiltrator is.

Originally posted by TribeOfManyColours
This man is attacking the FreeMasons, and saying the name of SATAN in that context. What he is I don't care

So you agree he's a race-baiting hatemonger, but it doesn't matter because he agrees with you.

The shriner video the Statue of libety(doc), and this preacher all ref to SATAN/Lucifer/venus etc. (for me its the same vibiration/power)

Even though the first two categorically deny Lucifer's relationship to Satan, and the third is particularly unreliable.

Do me a favor real quick and translate this:

et habemus firmiorem propheticum sermonem cui bene facitis adtendentes quasi lucernae lucenti in caliginoso loco donec dies inlucescat et lucifer oriatur in cordibus vestris.

Do you believe that's the same vibration/power as Satan?

The shriner video, the Statue of libety(doc), and this preacher all ref to SATAN/Lucifer/venus etc. (for me its the same vibiration/power)

Yes the truth may be near, it is something like that. The statue of liberty is a representation of Venus.
Now masons try to cover it up and say Lucifer is something else.

reply to post by pepsi78


If Lady Liberty represents Venus, she is certainly the most modestly dressed image of the goddess of love I have ever seen! More likely, she is the image inspired by Libertas, the Roman goddess of Freedom.

Originally posted by no1smootha
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If Lady Liberty represents Venus, she is certainly the most modestly dressed image of the goddess of love I have ever seen! More likely, she is the image inspired by Libertas, the Roman goddess of Freedom.

What do you mean she is an inspiration," she is it", the goddess Libertas is Venus and she holds a connection to Lucifer and the collective, the legions of the many. She is a masonic icon.

Originally posted by pepsi78

Originally posted by no1smootha
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If Lady Liberty represents Venus, she is certainly the most modestly dressed image of the goddess of love I have ever seen! More likely, she is the image inspired by Libertas, the Roman goddess of Freedom.

What do you mean she is an inspiration," she is it", the goddess Libertas is Venus and she holds a connection to Lucifer and the collective, the legions of the many. She is a masonic icon.

I am afraid you are going to have to show us where in masonic teachings "Liberty" exists. If you are right, there should be a mention of lady liberty, liberty, something iconic about the statue, in a masonic lecture. Since they are all available online, Please just post which one lists this and you will have enlightened the masses.

I am not saying you are wrong, just that I don't know anything about this. But if you are going to go through a 5 page BS session where you change topics 7 or 8 times while trying to dance around the fact that you have no source, please save us all, and just ignore this post.

reply to post by network dude


Yea i wasen't saying you persay worship Lucifer Satan or what ever name people wanna use, i was just posing a question that if you don't know your worshiping Lucifer are you really, if you don't know??? It was a open ended question....


Take this scenario for instance lets say a pastor preaches and praises the word of Jesus Christ/Yeshua to his congregation but when they all leave and in private he says to himself that Lucifer is really God and when he talks of Yeshua he really means Satan but to his congregation he tells them it's Jesus he worships...are the people in his congregation really worshiping Satan or because they think it's Christ there worshiping (because the pastor lies) there not really worshiping Lucifer/Satan just the pastor is???

I would say that the people from the congregation were really worshiping Christ because that's what they believe in there heart and it was only the pastor who worshiped Lucifer...

Now apply that theory too Masonry, if there's some Masons who worship Lucifer (and there are even if they say they don't they apply the learning of the esoteric studies of symbols and use it with there satanic magik practices, sort of like how the modern day Illuminati(TPTB) stole the learning of the symbols from Masonry to use them for there purpose) but just because some Masons may worship Lucifer does that mean they all do???

I'm just trying to get people to think, i have my opinion but people should really think about what i just wrote and come to the right conclusion on this...