Are You Buying The Anti-Muslim Propaganda?

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Children chant 'Death to America'
www.ktvz.com...

Anti-film ads in Pakistan feature Obama, Clinton
www.cbsnews.com...

So what?

Maybe we shouldn't have killed that last million or so Arab civilians, huh? Maybe they wouldn't be quite so pissed off at us.

Originally posted by Spooky1

Islam's Latest Contributions to Peace (past three days):

["Mohammed is God's apostle. Those who follow him are harsh
to the unbelievers but merciful to one another" Quran 48:29]

2012.09.20 (Mogadishu, Somalia) - Two Religion of Peace suicide bombers detonate in a restaurant, taking out fifteen patrons.

2012.09.20 (Baghdad, Iraq) - A children's doctor is among six Iraqis who lose their lives to Muslim terrorists.

2012.09.19 (Scheme Chowk, Pakistan) - Nine people along a city street are obliterated by a Taliban bomb
containing ball bearings.

2012.09.18 (Karachi, Pakistan) - A 12-year-old girl is among eight members of the Dawoodi Bohra (Shia) minority are blasted into the next world by Sunni bombers.

2012.09.18 (Mastung, Pakistan) - Three Shia pilgrims are sent to Allah in a targeted attack by a Sunni suicide bomber.

2012.09.18 (Kabul, Afghanistan) - A female suicide bomber massacres a busload of foreigners "in revenge" for a film about Muhammad that the victims had nothing to do with.

Source?

Is this that one website that says in it's own "about us" tab that they don't verify any stories, refuse to supply any source articles, and that the actual event might be 100% fictional?

I forget the name of it off the top of my head....but I see people pitching it as "fact" all time and their own source website comes right out and tells everyone that it's just hyperbolic bullsh^t,

Originally posted by Sablicious

Originally posted by AceWombat04
I have visited mosques in the past as part of my ongoing attempt to learn more about our world's and society's different religions. I was always allowed in, greeted politely, and never saw anything untoward happening. I saw a lot of what I see in every religious institution: prayer, discussion, contemplation, fellowship, and pontificating.

You're a single individual. The world consists of 7 billion+ people (9 billion by 2050).

The Islamic world, too, consists of more than one mosque / Imam / Muslim / interpretation of the dogma.

Formulating one's opinion based only on one's own invariably limited experience is tantamount to declaring a god created the cosmos with nothing but some preachy patois prose to buttress the claim.

May I ask why you ignored this part of my post?

Are there almost certainly, as in any faith, other elements of it elsewhere in the world (or even right here) of which I'm unaware and might be what I would consider harmful? Yes, probably. And let me make it clear: where and when such elements are found, appropriate steps should and must be taken to protect people. But I can only go with what I have experienced personally, directly. And that experience tells me that I cannot paint members of any faith with a broad brush or make assumptions about them (positive or negative, as they all seem to contain both in my experience.)

This topic asks, if such an effort exists, whether we agree with any attempt to paint Islam as wholly or largely evil. My reply was that I do not, but that I acknowledge that there are extremists and dangerous individuals in the religion that society should be protected from, as well. The two sentiments are not mutually exclusive.

Peace.

Maybe if moderate Muslims want us to trust them, they should take care of their own messes. we always hear them say they don't like all this stuff going on, but what are they doing to squelch it. If these extremists are such a minority why don't the majority just stomp them out.

Try to equate this to the Jews, and gays of World War 2 is a pretty far stretch too. The Jews and homosexuals weren't running around blowing each other up. The hatred of the Jews and Homosexuals was all about genetic purification and it wasn't even just about them, it was all races are inferior to the Arians . It's a completely different scenario (even though it's the same one that's been going on for thousands of years) these extremists who are "Minorities" as they want us to think, are just flexing their muscles trying to scare us back into submission, and if the majority aren't willing to stop the minority then are they really separate ? Or is this just a Crusades part 2 in action?

I bought it years ago when i was too young to understand.

To me all religons are a load of bull#, and people that follow them need to see a doctor.

reply to post by bigcountry08


Its pretty hard for Muslims to do much about this, things are getting worse, this is the latest headline on Press TV, www.presstv.ir... and this is really disturbing when US courts allow such, what are Muslims to do?

reply to post by CottonwoodStormy


The above post links to ads being posted across NYC subway stations that are anti Muslim and pro Israel and equating Muslims to savages, and approved by US courts?

reply to post by bigcountry08


in reply to
"Maybe if moderate Muslims want us to trust them, they should take care of their own messes. we always hear them say they don't like all this stuff going on, but what are they doing to squelch it. If these extremists are such a minority why don't the majority just stomp them out."

That's like asking the Americans to do something about the mafia, what have you done to prevent crime in your neighborhood?. If you never see these flag burners it is not easy to get them listen to reason, I have not met one.

Try to equate this to the Jews, and gays of World War 2 is a pretty far stretch too. The Jews and homosexuals weren't running around blowing each other up.

Maybe if the Jews did blow a few things up instead of going to the ghettoes like sheep then maybe the millions of second world war casualties could have been avoided.

Pakistan Cabinet minister offered a $100,000 reward for the death of the filmmaker.

In Pakistan, where more than 20 people died Friday in clashes with police in cities throughout the country, a Cabinet minister offered a $100,000 reward for the death of the filmmaker.

Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Balor told The Associated Press that he would pay the reward out of his own pocket. He urged the Taliban and al-Qaida to perform the "sacred duty" of helping locate and kill the filmmaker.

www.google.com...

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by bigcountry08

 

Its pretty hard for Muslims to do much about this, things are getting worse, this is the latest headline on Press TV, www.presstv.ir... and this is really disturbing when US courts allow such, what are Muslims to do?

I support Israel, but I don't condone these ads at all. In fact, the ads will likely have the reverse effect and incite more anger towards Israel.

Although the ads are clearly anti-Jihad as opposed to anti-Islam, they will not be interpreted as such.

I think that violent radical Islamic groups do a great job negatively portraying their religion of peace, which is unfortunate for moderate muslims. These types of ads are not necessary, and counter productive.

Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Pakistan Cabinet minister offered a $100,000 reward for the death of the filmmaker.

In Pakistan, where more than 20 people died Friday in clashes with police in cities throughout the country, a Cabinet minister offered a $100,000 reward for the death of the filmmaker.

Railways Minister Ghulam Ahmad Balor told The Associated Press that he would pay the reward out of his own pocket. He urged the Taliban and al-Qaida to perform the "sacred duty" of helping locate and kill the filmmaker.

www.google.com...

edit on 103030p://bSaturday2012 by Stormdancer777 because: (no reason given)

Stormdancer did you read the OP?

Did you understand it?

reply to post by Humanity4Ever


Absolutely, these ads will be interpreted wrong, totally counterproductive, and if they truly are posted in NY subways, I hate to see the violence this may proliferate in the name of freedom of expression which is exactly maybe their purpose, to bring on a war. I can't believe they are going to post these, just goes to show who is running the US government.

I don't see it as propaganda. Propaganda is falsified information given by a high authority like a government. If that is the case, then you don't think Muslims are doing anything wrong at all. Yes, everyone is doing wrong at all times these days. I am currently in the Philippines, I am a US citizen, and have been here for about two years. Here, I am living on Mindanao, the so called "most violent area of Asia."

I see Muslims all the time. I see them in all walks of life and I have never had a problem with any of them. Now, with that said, my Filipino fiancee and her family won't allow me to go to certain areas. The reason is because they are Muslim areas. I do have friends here (they are friends of my fiancee) and I have gone into their neighborhood a few times. I even went to a wedding dinner party and I had no idea, but when I walked into the room, it was full of Muslims and they were all looking at me. Me, being a white, American, well...all I can say is yikes!!!! That was a cool experience for me, though. Nothing bad happened and I was treated with respect.

Now...from what many people have told me here is that if I go to any Muslim area here, I run the real risk of being kidnapped for ransom or worse. You know what, though, there was a guy in the Sarangani Province who is Muslim and when he didn't pay the full dowry for his bride...he was killed shortly after the ceremony. It's not just white Americans. They kill their own much much more often.

With that said...there are certain parts of this island that I will not go and have been told by people that actually live in that city to not go there, because I would last about 1 hour before I am gone. That would be a Muslim city.

Now for the OP...here is what is currently happening on this really beautiful island of Mindanao...

news.yahoo.com...

My point is...how can it be propaganda when it has been going on for so long (40 years)???? 120,000 lives lost and every single bomb that goes off here is by some Muslim organization. How is that propaganda?

I don't mean to disrespect you, sir, the OP. I will guess that you live in a western world country, probably the US...maybe Canada, with your progressive view. I will venture to say that you have never actually been to another country? Right? And don't tell me that Mexico or France or England counts.

It is not propaganda what is happening in this world right now. The Muslims have been doing this for a lot longer than 2 hours ago when you saw some story on the news and decided to comment on it.

reply to post by abdel


what are you talking about, the mafia is nothing of what it used to be, vegas for example used to be ran by the mafia, now the place is almost as clean disney land. The US actually takes action against or "problem childs" whether its by taking them out physicaly or just keeping a close eye on them.

Its pretty hard for Muslims to do much about this, things are getting worse,
cottonwoodstormy

How is it hard for them to do anything about it, how about there military steps in and takes out the angry mob. Or the police instate a curfew, or how about the religouse leaders get up and read from the quran how there supposed to forgive no believers. Oh wait there not supposed to there supposed to kill us.

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those believers who sit (at home) and receive no hurt, and those who strive and fight in the cause of Allah with their goods and their persons. Allah hath granted a grade higher to those who strive and fight with their goods and persons than to those who sit (at home). Unto all (in Faith) Hath Allah promised good: But those who strive and fight Hath He distinguished above those who sit (at home) by a special reward,-"

sounds like Allah likes the rioters, and not the majority.

Muslim (20:4696) - "the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: 'One who died but did not fight in the way of Allah nor did he express any desire (or determination) for Jihid died the death of a hypocrite.'"

reply to post by gator2001


Thats very cool, you were open enough to put yourself out there and see, its not all Muslims you have to be worried about, only parts to be careful of. I am a Canadian, and I live in the mountains of Algeria for almost 4 years now. This country is 99 percent Muslim, and I have never had a problem. Sure I get the odd stare, since I am the only foreigner in sight, but generally speaking I am treated with respect and treat others with respect though even so I certainly wouldn't venture to some other mountains around me, where there are people who would like to overthrow the government purely because years ago, an Islamic party won the election fair and square and the current government would not allow them in power, so now they are the extremists, hiding in the mountains still wanting a change and will fight for it. They are called terrorists, and my point is the word terrorist in itself is propaganda, these people live off the land, are simple, have families, loved ones, and disagree with the current government so even deciphering what a terrorist is these days is a whole lot of bull. Alot of the so-called terrorists in the Sahara, are smuggling cigarettes, lol, and are the equivalent to mafia to most people here. What society does not have mafia, hells angels, or some sort of underground group? How come they aren't called terrorists? Only Muslims? Terrorism is the biggest twisted term on this planet and pure propaganda for war.

reply to post by bigcountry08


You fail in your argument to realize that in the Quran, it states, "Moses, I have chosen you of all mankind to make known my messages and my commandments, take therefore what I have given you", which was the 10 commandments which MUSLims adhere to, one of which is THOU SHALL NOT KILL!!!!!!!! So argue that while you continue to twist quranic scripture. I am quoting from an english Quran, pg 120.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Q: Are You Buying The Anti-Muslim Propaganda?
A: Only if it hits the sale rack at the Big Lots. But even then, I think I'll pass.

Of course I'm not buying it. Muslims aren't committing any violence around the world. They are busy planting flowers and trees. It's obviously shape shifting aliens that are really beheading people, blowing up cars full of explosives, etc., etc.

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by gator2001

 

Thats very cool, you were open enough to put yourself out there and see, its not all Muslims you have to be worried about, only parts to be careful of. I am a Canadian, and I live in the mountains of Algeria for almost 4 years now. This country is 99 percent Muslim, and I have never had a problem. Sure I get the odd stare, since I am the only foreigner in sight, but generally speaking I am treated with respect and treat others with respect though even so I certainly wouldn't venture to some other mountains around me, where there are people who would like to overthrow the government purely because years ago, an Islamic party won the election fair and square and the current government would not allow them in power, so now they are the extremists, hiding in the mountains still wanting a change and will fight for it. They are called terrorists, and my point is the word terrorist in itself is propaganda, these people live off the land, are simple, have families, loved ones, and disagree with the current government so even deciphering what a terrorist is these days is a whole lot of bull. Alot of the so-called terrorists in the Sahara, are smuggling cigarettes, lol, and are the equivalent to mafia to most people here. What society does not have mafia, hells angels, or some sort of underground group? How come they aren't called terrorists? Only Muslims? Terrorism is the biggest twisted term on this planet and pure propaganda for war.

You have to wonder why

Why Did The White House Take So Long To Admit Libya Attack Was Terrorism?
washington.cbslocal.com...

Obama’s Shaky Libya Narrative
by Eli Lake Sep 21, 2012 4:45 AM EDT
Sources say the attack on the Libyan ambassador was pre-meditated, with the possible collaboration of a Libyan politician. Eli Lake on the continuing collapse of the official U.S. line.
www.thedailybeast.com...

For nine days, the Obama administration made a case that virtually everyone understood was untrue: that the killing of our ambassador and three other Americans in Benghazi, Libya, was a random, spontaneous act of individuals upset about an online video—an unpredictable attack on a well-protected compound that had nothing do to with the eleventh anniversary of 9/11.


These claims were wrong. Every one of them. But the White House pushed them hard.

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