Are You Buying The Anti-Muslim Propaganda?

reply to post by CottonwoodStormy


lol, next time you want to prove someone wrong maybe you should do a little studying. the passage states

Exodus 20:13 you shall not murder

not kill these are two diffrent things.

maybe you should go read up on the jewish definition of murder and killing before you start screaming at somebody about being wrong.

here I will help you out.
jpfo.org...

reply to post by bigcountry08


Either way, its forbidden by Muslims, to kill or murder, whichever definition you choose, they are no different then anyone else, and I refuse to argue any further with your stereotypical mindset.

reply to post by CottonwoodStormy


its not forbidden in the name of Allah. your wrong and have a nice day.

sorry for derailing your thread a little bit detachedindividual, im done talking now.

reply to post by gator2001


It is good to hear from someone like myself. My fiancee and myself like to go on motorcycle trips (do they call a motorcycle a motor there?) We have gone up to some points where the NPA is around. I have personally seen the NPA with rifles on their backs. Me...I just learn and go as she tells me.

Now...I also must say that I have been near the MILF (no...not what you think). Moro Islamic Liberation Front is the main Islamic front here in Mindanao. I can tell you this: I have been to a resort in the Sarangani province called Glan. Yes, this the the province in which Manny Pacquiao is a congressman now. It is one of the most beautiful places on the whole island, but when I went there, even the owner, said to not come outside unless we heard his voice.

The reason for this is that the MILF is located just up above the hill to us. They are right there and if they heard that a white American was near, they would come in and kidnap me. I guess you and I have a good taste for just living our lives. Oh...just in the news here the other day...11 police and one official here in the Philippines were arrested for kidnapping for ransom.

OP...what propaganda do you have for that one?...lol

Although there are some people in some western societies who might buy into the propaganda,but mostly the rest of the world don't have any problems with the Muslims whatsoever....just because the masters of the media can broadcast anything they want at any given time,it doesn't mean the rest of the world should totally agree with them and follow their assumptions like a sheep .I mean we like the way you entertain us and the music and all that, but not as much as you think we do! certainly not enough to drag us into a world war!....US,UK,and Israel assume their personal local concerns and problems are universal ...But they are not!...Most people respect and like each other despite all the bull crap coming out of the western media day in and day out trying to prove the otherwise...there are some of course who profit from conflicts like the corporates,or the oil companies,or arm sellers or even the shills.They are playing with the lion's tail,and the outcome is very predictable ...It looks awfully intentional to me if you ask....seems like they are trying to commit suicide,and who knows perhaps some day reborn again nice and fresh!

Originally posted by detachedindividual

Actually, you missed it. The pro-Muslim propaganda has been spouted a lot before this past week. We were told to just smile, be friendly. CoExist, you know, all of that nice, touchy-feely stuff?

When comparing us to Germans, I think you should look at it this way...Muslims ARE NOT victims. Their ideology is the SAME as the Nazis. MUSLIMS practice genocide EVERYWHERE, especially against other Muslims. MUSLIMS are the ones PROMOTING Sharia law. Do you get the idea now? When we were told that all we had to do was be friends with Muslims and they would be our friends too, people rolled over, went back to sleep and said there was nothing to worry about. Republicans were making more out of it, Republicans and Tea Party members are the racist, homophobic, xenophobic monsters that the media shouted at you to swallow, and you did.

The media told you that there were no black people in the Tea Party, and that no real black person was Conservative or Republican, and when it was debunked, you still spout it. Even though black people stood up in protest over your diminishing of their political views, you turned your heads while they were attacked, needlessly.

Now this same media is reporting the events that were caused by their mudslinging. Islam is an ideology of Nazism, and when it becomes apparent, people like you tell us we are the problem. Islam is dangerous, no matter how much we should love and be friends with them as humans, it is their ideology that is wrong. They believe in genocide, they believe in whipping and stoning women, they believe in murder, they believe you attack them, so they have to fight back. This is the backwards mentality of denial of the obvious. Islam invaded countries and forced religion and speech on the populace, and when challenged, they deflect and say "what about the US government?" They say "what about the Crusades?" What about this, what about that....

I want to know this, why can no Muslim ever answer a question straight? Deflect, shout over, divert attention....that is the only thing Muslims do when having conversations.

And yes, their Mohammed is OFFENSIVE to the rest of the world. Why don't the Muslims get it? Because Mohammed told them to believe it or else. And when another Muslim no longer believes it, they get killed. How is that ideology acceptable? They are the new Nazis, pure and simple. And people like you are saying we are Germans for pointing out their ideology? Dietrich Bonhoefer died in vain. Do I sound offensive? If I sound offensive it is because I am offended.

The history of Islamic genocide

1100 A.D.: Turkish Nomadic Tribes move west into Asia Minor, conquering and displacing the original inhabitants. 1453, May 28th : Christian City of Constantinople falls to attacking Moslem Turks. 1809: Charlton Whittal founds the first Levantine business dynasty in Smyrna. 1821, March 25th : Greek War for Independence from Ottoman Turkey begins. 1822, March 30: On the Island of Chios, Greece, 50,000 Christian Greeks murdered by Turks. 1823: Missolongi, Greece, 8,750 murdered by Turks. 1850: Mosul, (present Iraq) 10,000 Christian Assyrians murdered by Turks. 1860: Lebanon, 12,000 Christians murdered by Turks. 1866: Holocaust of Arkadi, Crete, 800 plus Christians die in Turkish seige of Monastery. 1876: Bulgaria, 14,700 Christian Bulgarians murdered by Turks. 1877: Bayazid, 1,400 Christian Armenians murdered by Turks. 1881: Alexandria, 2,000 Christians murdered by Turks. 1894-1896: 200,000 Armenian Christians massacred by Turkish military. 1903-1904: Macedonia, Greece 14,667 Christians murdered. 1904: Sassun, Turkey 5,640 Christian Armenians murdered by Turks. 1908: Nationalist-fascist “Young Turks” revolution begins, Sultan Mehmet V loses much power. Pro-German Enver Pasha is the leading “Young Turk”. 1909: Adana, Turkey 30,000 Christian Armenians murdered by Turks. 1909: Rhami Bey made governor of Smyrna. 1910: Elefterios Venizelos first elected Prime minister of Greece. 1911: George Horton appointed American Consul in Smyrna. 1912, October: First Balkan War begins; Serbia, Bulgaria, Greece and Montenegro unite against the Turks in the Balkans. 1912, October: British spy William Childs begins his walking tour of Asia Minor. 1912, November 10th: Downing Street dinner party, Greek Consul John Stavridis present at which Chancellor of the Exchequer Lloyd George talks up Greek claim to Aegean coast of Asia Minor. 1913: Henry Morganthau Sr. appointed U.S Ambassador to Turkey. 1913, May: First Balkan war ends. 1913, June: Second Balkan War starts when Bulgaria attacks Greece and Serbia. 1913: Second Balkan War ends with Turkish defeat. 1913: German General Liman Von Sanders brought to Turkey by Enver Pasha to restore and train the Turkish military. 1914-1916: Turkish forced deportations of Christian Armenians on death marches, countless rapes, starvation and other brutalities.

reply to post by WarminIndy


And the above was Turkey alone...

Approximate Total Christians killed in the genocide, 1823-1974: 2,955,271

Now in India

“As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention that the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate).”

Armenian Genocide

Muslim on Muslim genocide...
The Islamic Genocide Records of MUSLIM on MUSLIM killings:

- 50,000 Tajikistan, 1992-96 (secularists against Islamists)
- 40,000 Chad, 1982-90
- 25,000 Jordan government vs. Palestinians, 1970-71 (Black September)
- 20,000 Syria, 1982 (against Islamists in Hama)
- 10,000 South Yemen, 1986 (civil war)
- 16,000 Western Sahara, 1975-present
- 75,000 Iraq, 2003-present (domestic)
- 80,000 Iran, 1978-79 (revolution)
- 100,000 North Yemen, 1962-70
- 140,000 Kuwait War, 1990-91
- 150,000 Lebanon civil war, 1975-90
- 150,000 Liberia, 1989-97
- 300,000 Iraq, 1970-2003 (Saddam against minorities)
- 300,000 Kurds in Iraq, Iran, Turkey, 1980s-1990s
- 400,000 Somalia, 1991-present
- 200,000 Algeria, 1991-2006 (between Islamists and the government)
- 1,000,000 Iran-Iraq-War, 1980-88
- 1,100,000 Nigeria, 1966-79 (Biafra); 1993-present
- 1,900,000 Sudan, 1955-72; 1983-2006 (civil wars, genocides)

How many is this? All in the name of Islam alone?

reply to post by WarminIndy


By branding all Muslims as Nazi's its people like you who are the root of today's problems. Not all sects of Muslims believe its ok to whip or stone, nor do they impose their beliefs on anyone. No one has a perfect religious philisophy, and your inhumane mentality makes me think its you who is the Nazi? You convey quite simply wars undertaken in the Balkans, from a biased point of view, excluding much information such conquering vouyerisms Europeans, and other cultures also undertook. No one will take your argument seriously when you are omitting the true extent of ideological, and physical terrains that have been fought in much greater complexity then that which you have listed.

Originally posted by CottonwoodStormy
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

By branding all Muslims as Nazi's its people like you who are the root of today's problems. Not all sects of Muslims believe its ok to whip or stone, nor do they impose their beliefs on anyone. No one has a perfect religious philisophy, and your inhumane mentality makes me think its you who is the Nazi? You convey quite simply wars undertaken in the Balkans, from a biased point of view, excluding much information such conquering vouyerisms Europeans, and other cultures also undertook. No one will take your argument seriously when you are omitting the true extent of ideological, and physical terrains that have been fought in much greater complexity then that which you have listed.

By not addressing Islam is even more dangerous. And it is your passive complicity that allows it to continue.

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707, entry Husseini, Hajj Amin Al ; The main Hitler's supporter among Palestinian Arabs... Quote: It so happened that Husseini made his contribution to the Axis war effort in his capacity as a Muslim, rather than as an Arab leader, by recruiting and organizing in RECORD TIME, during the spring of 1943, BOSNIAN MUSLIM BATTALIONS in Croatia comprising some TWENTY THOUSAND MEN. These MUSLIM VOLUNTEER units, called Hanjar (Sword), were put in WAFFEN-SS fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA and VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN IN THE HUNT FOR JEWS IN CROATIA... The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.

German passive complicity.

350,000 Kashmiri Pandits, constituting 99% of the total population of Hindus living in Muslim majority area of the Kashmir Valley, were forcibly pushed out of the Valley by Muslim terrorists, trained in Pakistan, since the end of 1989. They have been forced to live the life of exiles in their own country, outside their homeland, by unleashing a systematic campaign of terror, murder, loot and arson. Genocide of Kashmiri Pandits has reached its climax with Muslim terrorism succeeding in 'CLEANSING' the valley of this ancient ethno-religious community. With the completion of fifth year of their forced exile, this peace loving, culturally rich community with a history of more than 5000 years, is fighting a grim battle to save itself from becoming extinct as a distinct race and culture.

Passive complicity

Islamic genocide: 1912 - 2012 = at leat 12 Million victims 1.) Targeting Christians (750000 Assyrians, 500000 Greeks and 1.5 million Armenians.* = 2.7 million) by Islamic Turkey (as an ethnic cleansing* as well as a jihad*), was genocide! 2.) Annihilating 3 million * Bangalis in 1971 by Pakistanis who thought they are ethnically and religiously inferior or not "pure"*, was genocide. 3.) Massacring three million of Igbo/Biafrans between May 30th 1967 and January 1970 by the Islamic government of Nigeria * was genocide. 4.) Targeting by apartheid* Syria, Arab-Islamic Alawites supremacists upon Sunnis to kill as many as possible (11,000 dead *), is Genocide! 5.) Targetng of indigenous Africans ("inferior" Dinkas*) by Sharia-ptomoters* Afro-Arab supremacists Northen Sudanese in order to kill as many as possible (2.5 Million dead *), is genocide... 6.) Targeting of non-Arabs such as the ethnic Kurds, by pan-Arabist racist Saddam Hussein (who regarded them as "infidels," in Koran terminology*, 500,000 victims *), is genocide.

Passive complicity.

Look at these numbers. Tell me who is responsible for hatred. Passive complicity is more dangerous.

reply to post by detachedindividual

If you've studied history, you know what this is about. The German population didn't just wake up one day with a hatred of all Jewish people, all gay people, artists, writers and poets.

Actually rampant Jew hatred was the norm across Europe since the middle ages. They used to murder them for a laugh in the UK. It was religiously motivated.

Anti Muslim propaganda? There doesn't need to be any. Thier own behaviour is the problem. I don't recall Jews rioting in the thirties. Comparing the Jews to the Muslims is laughable. The Muslims have been making a rod for their own back with the ranting and violence, all the Jews ever did was be educated and rich.

reply to post by shapur

ut mostly the rest of the world don't have any problems with the Muslims whatsoever.

Utter bollocks. The Sikhs, Hindus and Christians who live with them will go on at length about the forced conversions, abductions and rapes of non Muslim girls, occasional rampages where Muslim men torch temples and churches with non Muslims in.. The list goes on. WHAT planet are you on?

reply to post by Heresy

The Muslims have been making a rod for their own back with the ranting and violence, all the Jews ever did was be educated and rich.

All Muslims?

This sounds like you're sanctioning anything that happens to them from here on out

And all because the reasons for hating Muslims are not exactly the same as they were for hating the Jews?

It's not the details or excuses Heresy - it's the motivation that's the same

Yup. The moment that video went viral I knew this was bad sh*t. Real bad. The primary damage that this video has inflicted is, it has painted hate speech and constructive criticism in the same color. Now anybody who protests against forceful wearing of the hijab and other religious bigotry, will be seen in the same light as those idiots who made that unfunny mess of a film.
In such a time, muslims should show restraint and portray themselves as NOT the barbarians the media and society claim they are. Instead of being such asses and advocating violent protests, the muslim community should have dealt with this stuff in a mature and civilized manner. Such behavior on their part has added more fuel to the fire.

reply to post by detachedindividual


Good thread...

reply to post by PvtHudson

You don't see radical Christians or Jews blowing # up and killing people world wide, because the majority shuts that sort of behavior down.

Dont we..?

Originally posted by purplemer
reply to post by PvtHudson

 

You don't see radical Christians or Jews blowing # up and killing people world wide, because the majority shuts that sort of behavior down.

Dont we..?

Shall I give you more statistics and numbers about what is really happening in Iraq? You know, the internet really exposed a lot that people here were unaware of. When I was young I remember hearing about yet another plane hijacked, another Palestinian group blowing people up. I even remember watching the tv of the Olympic Hostages and murder, I was quite young but I remember seeing the image from the tv of the man in the black mask standing on the balcony and wondering what he was doing.

I never heard the words "muslim terrorists", what I remember was "Islamic militants". But I have to ask, because some people commit taqqiyah so much, they seem to believe it themselves, if the Sunnis and Shi'ites can't stop killing each other and Wahabis as well, what makes people think they would not kill anyone else?





You really need to listen. This is broadcast daily on Arab tv, so don't tell us we don't know what we are talking about.

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by Heresy

 

The Muslims have been making a rod for their own back with the ranting and violence, all the Jews ever did was be educated and rich.

All Muslims?

This sounds like you're sanctioning anything that happens to them from here on out

And all because the reasons for hating Muslims are not exactly the same as they were for hating the Jews?

It's not the details or excuses Heresy - it's the motivation that's the same

Even this muslim guy is getting tired of the lies.

reply to post by detachedindividual


I typically really enjoy your posts, this one is no different.

I am seeing the divide more and more and to be honest it makes me both sad and I'll admit it, afraid.

Just last night I was at a homecoming football game in my county. These kids (I'm talking a 4 year old and 5 year old) were singing Jeff Dunham's "Jingle Bombs" song. This leads to a conversation among the adults nearby (you know, the people supposed to be setting an example) about his Achmed the Dead Terrorist skits, and a group laugh about how funny it is.

This comes after hearing and reading almost daily about how great it would be if all of them went the way of Achmed. (Dead.) And no, they aren't just talking about the "extremist" or the "terrorists". They're talking about any and all Muslims. Some that I know personally aren't even that picky- simply being brown suffices in many cases.

I know that not everyone thinks like that, but it feels like the growing majority do. There is tension in places that I didn't feel before. People seem to be on edge, whether due to politics, the Innocence of Muslims film, 2012 doomsday, the economy. You name it. It feels like something is about to go down, and there are going to be way too many willing participants.

reply to post by WarminIndy




He makes some good points - I wonder if you understand what he's saying?

I also wonder if you are capable of seeing that his criticisms don't actually help you make your point

You can read any number of threads here at ATS, and then many more outside of ATS...people all over this country are criticizing our leaders, our government, our parties - our entire political system and process - our history. People all over the world are doing the same

You actually want us to believe that this one man's anger at a corrupt government means all Muslims are dangerous?

:-)

I wonder what that says about us?

I will enjoy listening to you make your case

P.S. that was random - and completely unrelated to my comment

(in case you were a little confused - and replied to me by mistake)

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by WarminIndy

 

He makes some good points - I wonder if you understand what he's saying?

edit on 9/23/2012 by Spiramirabilis because: (no reason given)

That moderator of the discussion was in the above video I posted above, he was the same man that called Egypt a superpower. Can you agree with that point? He also said that Egypt won wars against Israel. Did that happen?



This man says that Muslims have never offended anyone. Is this a denial of truth? This man says that Muslims defend the Copts in Egypt. Really? Then why were Copts crucified?

Was the film an act of extremism? It was a silly film, poorly made, but everything in it came from the Hadiths, not from any outside source.



The second video shows a man who believes in a tsunami of violence.

Let me point out here a few things:
1: Denial of atrocities against Copts by saying they are protected.
2: When you affront Mohammed, you affront Islam and Muslims.
3: Apostates are not mentioned, yet the penalty against them is death.
4: The Arab Spring did not bring freedom to apostates or Copts.

By denial of atrocities in favor of promoting the "success" of the Arab Spring, is kind of like Germans who denied they knew anything about Auschwitz, Bergen-Belson, Chimno and many other camps where Jews were slaughtered. Denial is a dangerous thing. You have stated that the leadership in those countries are to blame, that is the classic Islamic tradition, to place the blame on everyone else except themselves.

Let me ask you, do you personally know anyone who was killed by Nazis? Do you personally know anyone affected by Nazism? I do.

Do you personally know any ex-Muslim? I do. Do you personally know any ex-Muslim that is hiding their identity to not be found out? I do. If being Muslim is so great, why are Muslims leaving Islam.

I personally know Muslims. I personally have been cursed by them in the workplace, not for saying anything about Mohammed, but simply because I am a Christian woman. I personally know a Muslim man who asked my best friend if he could buy her eight year-old daughter. I personally know Muslims who go into churches to teach Islam to an unsuspecting group, by saying we have the same God and then not telling them the entire truth about Islam and that Jesus is not the same as Isa.

Personally I know this, so you will now have to convince me that it is not endemic in their teachings. to say we affront Mohammed is to deny that what Mohammed did was wrong and evil. You are promoting passive complicity.

Your point is that the leadership is to blame. My point is that passive complicity is to blame because those leaders can be removed.