Are You Buying The Anti-Muslim Propaganda?

reply to post by detachedindividual


Problem is killing a US Ambassador over a slight to Islam.This tends to create negative emotion.When Americans see groups rioting burning flags and saying death to america again tends to create animosity.You may believe its ok for a group to try to intimidate the rest of the world but me personally i dont.If Islam doesnt want negative reactions maybe they need to rethink there current strategy.As long as there willing to kill anyone who insults there religion and the moderates are to intimidated to say anything they will continue to get negative reactions from the west.

Sigh... What a pointless thread. The OP is trying to lump everyone into the same pile saying that we are all slowly being manipulated into hating ALL Muslims. That is ridiculous. I know how to think logically and would never judge a whole people by the actions of the few. It's actually quite insulting to my intelligence.

Come to think of it. What is going on seems more the reverse where all western culture is being lumped together by the Muslims and I'm also not ignorant enough to believe that all Muslims are brainwashed to lump all people of western culture together.

Oh and extremists definitely factor into this. Get rid of all extremists who cannot let go of there blinding hatred and the world would be much more at peace. Banish them all to an island and they can take out there hatred on each other to their hearts content.

-AS-

I've not commented much on this whole affair, however, I do believe the anti Muslim propaganda has the effect of softening up public opinion for when they start to see all the dead Iranian Muslims on their tv's after an attack on Iran. People in the west will be behind the war and will have little sympathy for the innocent Muslims caught up in the violence. This is the dehumanising propaganda that has been used in every war. Make your enemy look less than human , as savages, so it's easier to kill them.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix


People need to keep this distinction in mind and not fall into the trap of hating all Muslims. That would be like hating all Christians because of the actions of a few rouge factions such as the Catholics responsible for the Crusades.

Islam was responsible for the crusades.
Its not about muslims.
Its about the Islamic Pagan Death Cult
that has killed 300 million in 1400 years.
20,000 terrorist attacks since 9/11 that
have killed people.
Islam is not a true religion.
It is a Rage Virus, a mental meme of hatred
toward non members, and that is you.

Are You Buying The Anti-Muslim Propaganda?


Meanwhile in OTHER news...

Religion is a major tool of the Illuminati agenda

Originally posted by WakeUpNowSnap
Islam is NOT A TRUE RELIGION anymore than Naziism was a true religion.

HAVE YOU EVER WONDERED why millions of Muslim men are dedicated to killing Americans? Or why so many are willing to blow themselves up to kill Israelis?

So nice to see the truth every now and then here on ATS...

Except for one thing: the quote never answers the question (WHY?):

The origins of Islam
All false religions are illuminati created

no ..

because I don't watch or listen to MSM, and selectively read what I need to ;not manipulation into.

Well, as a Muslim even I'm starting be believe this bollocks. The only thing I would like to explain is that all the anti western protests and flag burning and screaming for blood that's been prevalent recently has all been orchestrated by the real M.E. puppet masters in Saudi Arabia. With the exceptions of Palestine and Syria every other protest, be it about the Prophet's desecration or these stupid calls for Sharia law ( which is actually very similar to Street law) has been funded by the money the West pays to Saudi for it's oil.

reply to post by abdel


Why would the Saudis do this? Is this the salafi movement?

Sorry it's all very confusing to a layman

reply to post by woodwardjnr


Salafi, Wahabi, Sunni, Shia, these are just labels the same way politicians use labels. The bottom line is they do not give a sh1t about politics or religion, they just want power and if by conning the world into blowing itself up just so they and their friends in the West can freely rule the world without the need for elections then the sooner the better. This sh1t is going to get much worse before people wake up.
p.s. sorry to be a doom monger but we're all phucked.

I have no problem with Muslims. I have no problem with the Muslim gentlemen who runs the store where I buy my ciggerettes from, or the Muslim's that run the restaurant I tend to visit with my partner and friends. I have no problem with the Muslim's that worship in the little hidden mosque, thats been forced to errect a sheltered fence and have steel put across their windows for fear of vandalism.

What I do have a problem with, is anyone that uses religion as an excuse to oppress the freedom of women and other minorities. I have a problem with those that would sanctify the destruction of women and children as a valid means of waging war against an enemy. I have issues with those that would take a usually compassionate religion and twist it into a dogma that turns young impressionable boys into those willing to die in a cowardly attack.

Every religion has extremists. Lets not forget we did exactly the same thing a few centuries ago but in the other direction, we followed the word of one man posing as the messenger of god on earth who incited the Christian world into a 'holy war' against Islam.

I don´t think i´m buying any propaganda, as a matter of fact i was trashing the muslims and other religious crap long before this happened. I remember other people too and threads about crazy babypenissuckling jews, the pope being satan etc. Always one step ahead of them

Originally posted by abdel
Well, as a Muslim even I'm starting be believe this bollocks. The only thing I would like to explain is that all the anti western protests and flag burning and screaming for blood that's been prevalent recently has all been orchestrated by the real M.E. puppet masters in Saudi Arabia. With the exceptions of Palestine and Syria every other protest, be it about the Prophet's desecration or these stupid calls for Sharia law ( which is actually very similar to Street law) has been funded by the money the West pays to Saudi for it's oil.

Interesting. You don't seem like an extremist.. tell me, knowing you have an extremist faction within your ranks causing trouble, inciting riots and killing innocent people - is there anything the general Muslim population can do to get rid of the extremist? Do you guys even want to as far as you know? How would you feel if war broke out and you had to pick a side.. the westerners combating the extremist or would you side with the extremists simply because they are members of your religion ( even though you may not agree with their extremist beliefs) ?

I ask these things because you are in a unique position to help us understand the problem from your point of view but to find possible solutions as well. One last question for now.. where you born a Muslim, if so, which faction and what country? This may help us further understand your answers.

Originally posted by JohnPhoenix


Interesting. You don't seem like an extremist.. tell me, knowing you have an extremist faction within your ranks causing trouble, inciting riots and killing innocent people - is there anything the general Muslim population can do to get rid of the extremist? Do you guys even want to as far as you know? How would you feel if war broke out and you had to pick a side.. the westerners combating the extremist or would you side with the extremists simply because they are members of your religion ( even though you may not agree with their extremist beliefs) ?

I ask these things because you are in a unique position to help us understand the problem from your point of view but to find possible solutions as well. One last question for now.. where you born a Muslim, if so, which faction and what country? This may help us further understand your answers.

Well actually some of my views are quite extreme but I and every Muslim I know has never actually met a terrorist. These idiots who're seen as extremists have drank the kool aid given out by some mosques (personally I believe all mosques, churches and synagogues should be emptied and used to house the homeless).
If it came down to a knock down fight between Iran and Israel I would definitely support Iran but I think the real fight should be the people of the world, regardless of nationality, against those bastards that seek to destroy our liberty.
I was born in Britain ( non-religious parents), moved to Morocco and lived their for five years, there I converted to Islam (three months before 9/11, great timing eh?). I now live in S.E. Asia in a country that doesn't subscribe to Agenda 21, I'm not a strict Muslim but not many of my Moroccan friends are either.
I know it's a cliche but I see myself as a world citizen, none of us are going to get off this mud ball so while we're here we might as well try to get along.

reply to post by abdel


I see. thank you for your reply.

Originally posted by NullVoid
reply to post by penninja

 

Then go "serve" in their own country. Not nice to have North Korea patrolling Hawaii isnt it ?.

This doesn't happen because we do the things that we do

What happen to "Luke 6:31 NIV - Do to others as you would have them do" ?

Did you just really quote he Bible to a guy (me) who posted that i think all religion needs to be marginalized?

Other than UN troops, I dont think any army should march on other country unless its in dumbass war situation. Whoops

then again whoopsie dadoo USA troops is a dodo.

well wouldn't that be ideal... let me guess you believe if we weren't who we are no one given the chance would march on us right?

Originally posted by Spiramirabilis
reply to post by detachedindividual

 

What concerns me is that the number of those falling for this propaganda war is rising. It might have started out with the knuckle-dragging white-power neo Nazi, but it has quickly spread. Normally the posters on ATS are more rational than this, but I fear that this is a microcosm of what might be happening out in the real world away from forums.

This is it - absolutely. I hear things come out of the mouths of people in my personal life now that I never thought I'd hear

I hear it or read it everywhere...it's crazy

Star and Flag detachedindividual - nothing else to say really - you said it all

Finally someone read and understood the thread!

While most others here have immediately jumped into attacking Islam, or perhaps some defending their outrage, you have actually read the post, thought about it, and responded to the actual question.

Thank you for paying attention.

I suppose this thread is actually showing what I was discussing in a strange way - that people have lost sight of the millions of others who are NOT protesting, and as a result of what they are seeing they are becoming radicalized themselves. It doesn't matter what the discussion is, the moment you mention Islam or Muslims there are plenty of people who are blinded by those words and immediately start attacking - they don't even understand what they are reading before they start attacking it.

As I have said plenty of times at the start of this thread, this is not about what people think of Islam, or any religious group. This is about the spiraling internal domestic extremism we are going to see as a result of it, from both sides.

That's why I'm not bothering to read or respond to all the other posts that insist on making this an attack/defense thread over Islam.

I might have another go at creating another thread on this and word it completely differently, because as usual most are completely misunderstanding the intention of this thread, or deliberately using it to preach their opinion of Muslims and the Islamic faith.

detachedindividual,

My post was neither an attack or defence, no need to be dismissive.

Whether it be muslims or anything else in MSM, as a rule of thumb whatever they say, to learn the truth all you have to do is think the complete opposite. so if they say Muslims hate america, well then the truth is they actually love america. And that generally is accurate. so whatever I hear on main stream media, the opposite is true, or at least much closer to the truth.

Originally posted by Hyena
detachedindividual,

My post was neither an attack or defence, no need to be dismissive.

I wasn't intending to be, I apologize if it seemed that way, I responded to that post way back on another page, I hadn't even got to this page yet.

The thing is, this thread was intended to be a discussion about the internal battles likely to take place in Western countries in response to these events. But 90% of all responses are about how evil Islam is, or how people should expect what is happening to be happening.

We've already had that discussion, plenty of times, in plenty of threads. We all feel the same, violence is not acceptable. Most also feel that this is just a minority of extremists - although there are some here who seem to be swallowing the BS and believe that this is ALL of Islam.

The intention of the thread was to discuss the escalation of tensions within our nations, how radical Islam will use it as a recruiting tool, and how right wing groups will use it too.

Where will we end up if radical Islamic groups are protesting in our countries, and radical right wing groups are protesting in response?

I see a lot of similarities between this and pre-WW2 Germany. There is no doubt that millions of Muslims are being labelled, and idiot right wing groups in our countries will not care whether someone is a radical Muslim or moderate, they won't care if they were born here or not, they will attack all.

That is the intention of this thread - to discuss how entire populations are beginning to view all Muslims as terrorists and radical protesters, and how that will play out in our societies.

People are ignoring the intention of the post and immediately jumping in with their opinion of Islam. That is not what this is supposed to be about.

Thank you for clarifying that, and honestly, I agree with you.