Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one

Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one ?

Umm .. no you can't !!

So suck it up and learn important words like Humility, Humbleness and Diplomacy.

C..

Originally posted by Arnie123
reply to post by SplitInfinity

 

Hey Split, what do you think of the Rail-Gun systems the navy will incorporate around 2015-2017? the peak of ballistic warfare is now a very real option for our military. Although the testing showed it works, there were problems with power constraints and of course metallurgy factors, but as with all projects, those issue can and will be addressed. These Rail-Guns along with the energy based weapons systems you speak of can take a large toll on a ships reactor, unless the energy weapons are chemical in nature, then its a matter of logistics.
With a fully armed and deadly navy, it'll be the apex predator of the sea....it still is. A nation that can control the trades routes of the seas will control the flow of the world. Along with our Air Force Joint-Programs for the F-35, that is our gift to our allies, as yes that was a joint project, but concieved by american minds, would you call the F-35 a true fifth gen fighter? and even tho the F-22 has been capped, a few here and there still come off the assembly line, just not in large bulk. The US army will soon have the M1A3 abrams reading for fielding if not already, an don't forget our new attack choppers, what we saw in the raid in pakistan was but a fraction of what is going to be implemented in our new attack choppers. Combat engineers are field testing Exo-suits for heavy lifting and the MOS 15W will have a brethern in its job as land based drones become fielded for squad assault and defense in field excursions, an assault drone for every 6-8 squad based teams to help with fire support and triage. Even our chemical fields are getting full upgrades as I have seen new technologies that are chemical based on identifying blister, nerve an biological agents an ways to decontaminate them, just in case our enemies decided to go dirty on us.
All this has come off the drawing board an though some won't see action another 5 years or so, other tech is already being implemented, the american military is thinking more on the technological aspect of warfare now, with a leaner, better equiped trained force, coupled with a mentality that everybody is a leader, we are a force to be reckon with.

I'd like to field this one sort of for a second

If it's been developed and works and the timeline says five years for deployment in a genuine emergency it can be in the field in 60-90 days the entire story of WW2 was the USA building a Military from next to squat from building to deploying and entering combat and winning in 4-5 years. In a situation where economics were for all intents and purposes suspended and it came down to simply passing out notes and putting people to work with what we know is on the table and possible it would be pretty scary

Those Rail Guns could see a fast return of the battle ship in one form or another the rest we can only speculate on.

reply to post by penninja


Force projection with a rail-gun Battleship against china an russia would be sick!! maintain a pack mentality of course as I see china responding with subs, I think we need to look more into our underwater weapons an take another hard look at them....
I'm thinking lockheeds "Rods from god"????

reply to post by Cosmic4life


Yeah that's what you guys said during our war for independence too.

What would you do if you walked in to a room and we were all playing Risk or Axis and Allies and had set the pieces up for modern troop strengths? knock the board over and give us all a lecture?

If we were playing Dungeons and Dragons instead would you throw a hissy fit and go on a tirade about how no one has ever encountered a dragon before and we just encountered a new species and we deserve to go to jail for slaying it?

Gibe it a rest with the Emo Sissy rhetoric, it's called war gaming it's fun get a life.

The federal government will implode unto itself resulting in food riots, violence, panic and despair but not anything greater than other generations have faced.
the lifeline, will be the states and the rise of their power again
building from the ground up, eliminating entire levels of local government in order to just survive.

The spontaneous organization of people at the ground level to look not to government but to look to their neighbors, their church, their temple, secure their family and then see who needs help.

Once stability is restored the economy will start again but
not with imports from foreign lands because their collapse will be far greater, far more violent, far more starvation as they are ripped from the American tit of consumption.

Originally posted by penninja
reply to post by Cosmic4life

 

Yeah that's what you guys said during our war for independence too.

What would you do if you walked in to a room and we were all playing Risk or Axis and Allies and had set the pieces up for modern troop strengths? knock the board over and give us all a lecture?

If we were playing Dungeons and Dragons instead would you throw a hissy fit and go on a tirade about how no one has ever encountered a dragon before and we just encountered a new species and we deserve to go to jail for slaying it?

Gibe it a rest with the Emo Sissy rhetoric, it's called war gaming it's fun get a life.

Wow ... .. the war of Independence eh ? Well i wouldn't know as I wasn't there .... You guys ?? I think if you ever get around to actually reading a book, you will find Brits fighting Brits in the War of Independence .... so allow me to educate you a little .... The English Civil War ... Parliamentarians against Royalists ... ring any bells yet ? ... The Parliamentarians/Puritans left old Blighty in disgust at what they saw as a return to the old ways ... they left and went to the New World ... even there they could not escape the in-equality and corruption of the Old World ... They sought representation for their Taxation, they didn't get it, they had a fight, they won and thus became Americans.

So before you go all Jingoistic on me, please remember your/our history before getting your knickers all in a knot.

For your added entertainment .. I am neither a Royalist Nor a pro-Establishment upper class twit ... I and my family are working class .. we get the boot firmly stomped in our face everyday ... so i am damned if I'm going to take any of your BS regarding us Brits .. or "you guys" as you so elegantly put it.

As for war gaming and Strategy I am more familiar with that than I care to mention ... the end results are never fun and things hardly ever go according to plan ... oh and Hubris is a weak state of mind to be fighting a war from, much better to give your potential enemies some credit in their abilities and tenacity.

Getting back to the thread ... there is no way the US could ever win a war with Russia/China combined.

You want to be the top dog ? Invent a new form of energy that frees you from Oil and Gas, spend the money you make from that buying back everything you've sold to China ... like your massive debts and half your Country.

C..

reply to post by Cosmic4life


Yes I do agree, brits vs brits. but as they broke away from the british colonies they fought a FAR superior military an WON, this is the basis of the whole revolution and as a new generation grew, became THE true americans.
But this is not what the thread is about.
You say your a hard working man? we all are. so in a sense, nobody really takes BS from any one huh?
The whole of the argument shows that the people of this country were able to stand as one an unite to fight an overwhelming force, history shows that as it stems from the early days of revolution, we fought amongst ourselves an learned from that, stood together and once again showed our unity when japan attacked our fleets. We have been tested an we show promise, as the youngest nation and greatest super power, there will always be some form of setbacks. I am but one citizen and I will tell you this much, I work hard, I work my a** off an I even come in early to work, sometimes work off the clock (that means not getting paid) to get the job done, why? because I believe in getting the job done, showing compassion and while others will not get that, it shows what kinda of person I am, with that being said, how many more people do you think are like me??? ALOT. Its easy to judge from watching the news an say this an say that, the proof is in the pudding, I am a testament to hard work as much as you are my british friend, I'll respect you through any and all, you can spit in my face, call me names, talk trash about our country (not saying you are just making a point) and yet I will continue to give you your respect, we are humble and at peace, yes not all our brothers, but alot of us are, we show compassion. But the moment we are face with war, don't think for one second we will start shaking in our boots. We won't. I find that we are at are best when faced with an overwhelming force and that says alot. Regardless of our economics don't think for a second that americans will sit an no budge simply cause we don't have the money for war, fighting is free and has been since the dawn of man and when our country is faced with two major threats like china and russia, you can bet we gonna say, to hell with money, give me my M4 an MRE an lets rock baby.
I agree with your issue on energy dependence, that would be a huge problem solver right there, actually that in itself is a check mate, an life has an interesting way of playing out in those terms.
But I won't try to hide the facts, it would be tough going agaisnt china an russia in terms of a conventional war, the the very possibility of defeat is very real, but we can't sit there an cry about it can we? no. Sometimes walking down a dark alley we gotta fight one, if not two big bad dudes, but we are no punks and we will bring the hurt, thats what alot of these american basher fail to realize, we don't go down without a fight, simple, infact no morale man will, in any country.
I'll say about biggest challenge would between them an us would be a ground war, yes they simply have alot more. we would have to be strategic of course an figure out the best defense for a unified chinese/russian ground assault force, being overruned is a major challenge. I figure if our navy can take our there transports an maintain a superior air asset, we might be able to nock down there numbers, thats assuming they come to us we might have a chance, but if we went to them, that would be a whole different ball game and I don't think that scenario would be plausible unless we've put enough of the hurt to feel confident in landing our craft and bringing the fight to them, though home court does have its advantages.

reply to post by Cosmic4life


1: You guys always have very intellectual and deliberate responses to how you lost your empire you know that? It's always so rationally explained and god you sound good doing it most of the time none the less your experiences are not necessarily going to be ours.

2: You are however 100% correct in regards to what our policy SHOULD BE so for that sir, for being opposed to war and actually having a method in mind as opposed to hippie rants and demonetization for that i must tip my hat

Originally posted by madenusa
The federal government will implode unto itself resulting in food riots, violence, panic and despair but not anything greater than other generations have faced.
the lifeline, will be the states and the rise of their power again
building from the ground up, eliminating entire levels of local government in order to just survive.

The spontaneous organization of people at the ground level to look not to government but to look to their neighbors, their church, their temple, secure their family and then see who needs help.

Once stability is restored the economy will start again but
not with imports from foreign lands because their collapse will be far greater, far more violent, far more starvation as they are ripped from the American tit of consumption.

They will drop anti depressants into the water

seriously, there wont be some crazed panic or rebellion

Originally posted by penninja
reply to post by Cosmic4life

 

1: You guys always have very intellectual and deliberate responses to how you lost your empire you know that? It's always so rationally explained and god you sound good doing it most of the time none the less your experiences are not necessarily going to be ours.

2: You are however 100% correct in regards to what our policy SHOULD BE so for that sir, for being opposed to war and actually having a method in mind as opposed to hippie rants and demonetization for that i must tip my hat

1. All Empires eventually come to an end .... glad to see you're one American (I assume since your Avy doesn't disclose) who does not deny that the US controls an Empire.

2. Thank-you for the tip of the hat, but.... I am an ex-serviceman .. as was my Brother and my Father and my Mother ... I live in Plymouth UK .. we have a Marine base here amongst others ... I see many people with no Legs .. no Arms etc etc after their service, if you watch the Paralympics you will see that many of Team GB are ex-servicemen ... that is the Legacy of War.

C..

reply to post by Cosmic4life


Do they?

I am not so sure that the breaking of this historical fact is not possible at the moment.

For the first time ever the world is broken into blocks, media and communications have made it so the understanding of each other leaves us far less alien to one another across much of the globe.

A decisive victory via technology of one of those blocks could easily usher in a world government.

I would of course prefer to see that happen by vote or some similar mechanism.

I often wonder that the Five member states of the permanent UN security council are not in far greater agreement than they let on and that all this hooplah and debate is not actually real but rather for purposes of control and that they are shaping the globe together as the see fit.

I mentioned earlier that I saw no coincidence that China has funded us a lot of money and coincidentally while publicly denouncing when you put Syria, Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan together it forms a straight line or "pipeline" if you will to China.

While this scenario will likely never play out if we see Iran and North Korea meet their end without war between these 3 Empires and the EU one could say in it's own way, this Empire will likely never end.

Amazing coincidence that the Eu, Russia, China and America have all drifted to forms of socialized capitalism to one degree or another is it not? After so many years of capitalist vs Communist dogma too...

All wars for decades proxy wars in which none of those nations ever experience harm but the world divides into proxy states based around which of these entities supplies it's arms and assures it's fuel, one of the above basically controlling the entire globe between them with the other states begging for economic inclusion.

Makes one wonder if this Empire will come to an end

It seems to me that our success ( the U.S. ) upsets some people.. I guess you'll always have people that can't stand it when others reach a level of success they know they'll never reach. It's just natural for these people to want to see the successful fail. Don't worry some day we will help your country out too if we don't already or havent already in the past.. Sorry to disappoint you haters but you'll never Know what it feels like to be a proud American. All I can say is we have this feeling bred into us. It's in our DNA. It's like we know we are an inferior country! It's probably because we are! If we were to be beat in a word war it would have to be Several major countries attacking from all angles we would have to be so overwheled but then again if we did win such a war, it wouldn't surprise us the least bit. In fact this is more like the kind of war we would do our best at. As Americans, we even surprise ourselves sometimes when the battle is over, the adrenalin starts to pass, slow motion starts to fade and real time has returned, what was once an impossible fire fight with odds of 10 to 1 in the enemies favor. Few casualties and the enemy is wiped out.

This isnt some fictional story or plot from some movie. This is a factual statement about the type of soldiers we have. We have the best of the best! You know what they say, you f--- with the best you die like the rest. It's not meant to be a threat, its a promise! I think I speak for most REAL Americans....

reply to post by Uneedhlp247


I know what you mean bro, I've had srgts tell me there war stories and even tho there is loss of life, its not alot, there stories inspire me, there reaction time quick, outnumbered, against all odds against an enemy who has no remorse, these insurgents indeed will kill us at any moments notice, strange considering that if we capture some of them, we feed them, check there health an provide room an board, if it was us captured, we'd be tortured an beheaded. Yeah, I think we do our part, I tire of this Anti-US attitude..but we gotta remain strong, have compassion, we can't stoop to there level, ever.
To deny is ignorance, thats the basis of thos website, freedom of speech, to flex our god given constitutional admendtment. Most of these people who doubt the US ability have never even fired a weapon I bet....war is terrible, shame on the OP for this thread, are we to amuse him on our power? Becareful what you ask for.
People are so upset right now with americas current state of affairs that they easily overlook the important factors of what we really are, I don't see them taking the reigns, or any other country.
Yes, You wanna hear it? WE ARE AN EMPIRE. people need empires to grow, this time an age requires so amd who better then us? We aid an feed, we force project, the human race will always need a leader an america is that leader.
One thing I have always learned is, people COMPLAIN. if not us, they will complain about britain, russia, china or whatever apex power is at top, its purely nature at its best. We can't stop that way of thinking no more than we can change peoples way of acting.
Like I said an will always say, the proof is in the pudding.
For the record, if russia did not participate in this scenario, america would hands down decimate china. How? Because we are free thinking individuals, who cares not about a puppet government, we are talking about PEOPLE as a whole. No we are not brainwashed. We are very aware of our current situation. We have taken beatings. The world needs us as any other super the world has seen. It promotes human evolution, a period of peace an war. One day we will have no need for that. Our empire will not be going anywhere anytime soon. So get over it.

reply to post by Uneedhlp247


Well let me begin this last post on the subject by letting you all know I am not an American hater, that would be to judge and generalize a whole nation in jingoistic fashion and I refuse to go there, I have family in the US going all the way back the Pilgrims so I won't be taking any lectures from anyone who thinks that because they live in America they are naturally American, the Constitution defines an American, some of you should go read it.

The Constitution strictly precludes any and all military activities on Foreign soil, those of you praising the American Empire should realize that actually you are most Un-American and are agents of the Imperial Ideology your forefathers fought so hard against, your minds have been turned from Liberty and Equality for all into Fascism and Rule by force.

You were the great hope of all freedom loving peoples of the world, now the world despairs at your attitude, your Hubris, your Arrogance, your Indifference.

And when faced with the reality your reaction is to cry American hater ... well no ... your not going to get away with that BS any longer.

I will be very precise and specific as to whom I point the finger, It is the warmongers who see value in spending a Trillion dollars on weapons while the common people are Jobless and Homeless, while the infrastructure crumbles underfoot, how does this Global US Empire serve the common American ? .... It doesn't, it is a super-massive parasite that sucks all the goodness out of America and turns it into a Global Protection racket.

A little further history lesson, the only war the US has won was against the Japanese, you accomplished this by dropping Atomic bombs because you feared the massive losses required to take it conventionally.
The only time the US has taken massive losses were at Iwo-Jima and Okinawa.

You did not win WW2, the Soviets did that, they did that by having the tenacity and courage to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the tune of 30 million souls, would Americans be willing to shed that much blood ? I don't think so.

You lost Korea, you lost Vietnam, both because they were more willing to shed blood, more willing because all three USSR, Korea and Vietnam were defending their homelands.

Now, Iraq and Afghanistan, hmmm Iraq, most Iraqi's actually gave up and ran away, they despised Saddam and were not going to die for him, Saddam was a Sunni Baathist whereas most Iraqi's are actually Shia.
Was Iraq a war ? or a Turkey shoot ? certainly not a lot of resistance.
Those poor Iraqi's actually thought you were there to help them..

Afghanistan ... hmmm yeah... a bunch of cavemen and guess what ... you're still there fighting them, the great Imperial Machine can't get it's head around a bunch of cavemen !

You think you have been tested in war .. you haven't ... you do not know the experience of whole cities raised to the ground, you have been safe behind an Ocean buffer zone on either side of your nation.

A war with China and Russia would be the end of the US, and I think you know it despite your bluster.
Only a fool or a complete maniac would even consider such a scenario.

Now I state again for those who choose to fire off with the mouth without reading my words very carefully, this is not American hating, this is opposition to foolish warmongering and stupidity.

Cosmic..

reply to post by Cosmic4life


Lmao, what a load of BS. For starters, you had family as pilgrims and your a hard worker, lay off the crutch cheeky fellow!! Pilgrims, lol, you wanna pissing war? My family are native to this land, oh faced!!! Native america.s, sioux ponca, put that in your pipe an smoke it at tea time.
Japan was a strategic decision as it would save american lives from a large ground assualt force, thats like saying japan went the easy way and bomb pearl harbor when they could have brought their fleet an went mono a mono, in war you save as much of YOUR people not the enemies, don't make me laugh with your lack of insight.
Afghan, a bunch of cave men? Whatever people may think they are, they are alot smarter than you currently think, thats why they maintain the title, grave yard of empires, your tea an biscuits could'nt pull it off, your mighty russian who you praise soooooo much an hero of WW2 could'nt pull it off, and yes even we are faultering agaisnt them, we know.
Speaking of which, how dare you, the audacity to sit there an say american blood was'nt spilled in nowhere near the amounts of the russians!! during ww2, does D-Day ring a bell? MY GOD!! how much more blood do you want? How much to quench your thirst? You brits really don't like how history worked out for you guys as a once world power.....Jesus guy, your literaly in a poop flinging match!! An you some how thing you got the bigger poop to fling around, lol this is great!!!
We lost korea? Ummm their was a CEASE FIRE!!! If we had lost, it'll be a complete communistic state, the gall you have, clearly the pictures clear and the cultures demostrate that....no clear winners there cheeck fellow.
And iraq, that had to happen, one way or another. Yes the iraqs quit in droves, just like the gulf war, in my opinion, whats to argue? We came in force an they put there weapons down an kissed our hands, alot better than a blood bath.
Seeing that your from england, I guess its only nature you would say that, yes I will give you the "Bull", you claim this an claim that, but no matter how much you preach, I could tell the tell tale signs in your post, *wink*

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
Russia And China Join Forces And Prepare For War Against The Falling Apart U.S. Can we win this one ?

Umm .. no you can't !!

So suck it up and learn important words like Humility, Humbleness and Diplomacy.

C..

um, yeah we can.........you better learn words like Humility, Humbleness and Diplomacy, and, while we're at it, logic to

Originally posted by Cosmic4life

Originally posted by penninja
reply to post by Cosmic4life

 

Yeah that's what you guys said during our war for independence too.

What would you do if you walked in to a room and we were all playing Risk or Axis and Allies and had set the pieces up for modern troop strengths? knock the board over and give us all a lecture?

If we were playing Dungeons and Dragons instead would you throw a hissy fit and go on a tirade about how no one has ever encountered a dragon before and we just encountered a new species and we deserve to go to jail for slaying it?

Gibe it a rest with the Emo Sissy rhetoric, it's called war gaming it's fun get a life.

Wow ...

.. the war of Independence eh ? Well i wouldn't know as I wasn't there .... You guys ?? I think if you ever get around to actually reading a book, you will find Brits fighting Brits in the War of Independence .... so allow me to educate you a little .... The English Civil War ... Parliamentarians against Royalists ... ring any bells yet ? ... The Parliamentarians/Puritans left old Blighty in disgust at what they saw as a return to the old ways ... they left and went to the New World ... even there they could not escape the in-equality and corruption of the Old World ... They sought representation for their Taxation, they didn't get it, they had a fight, they won and thus became Americans.

So before you go all Jingoistic on me, please remember your/our history before getting your knickers all in a knot.

For your added entertainment .. I am neither a Royalist Nor a pro-Establishment upper class twit ... I and my family are working class .. we get the boot firmly stomped in our face everyday ... so i am damned if I'm going to take any of your BS regarding us Brits .. or "you guys" as you so elegantly put it.

As for war gaming and Strategy I am more familiar with that than I care to mention ... the end results are never fun and things hardly ever go according to plan ... oh and Hubris is a weak state of mind to be fighting a war from, much better to give your potential enemies some credit in their abilities and tenacity.

Getting back to the thread ... there is no way the US could ever win a war with Russia/China combined.

You want to be the top dog ? Invent a new form of energy that frees you from Oil and Gas, spend the money you make from that buying back everything you've sold to China ... like your massive debts and half your Country.

C..

China owns 8% of our debt.................the American people and govt. own 43-45% of America's debt. China is the largest FORIEGN holder of our debt NOT the largest holder of America's debt. Foriegn countrys only hold a quarter of America's debt, out of which China only holds a third. People need to stop believing this myth that China "owns" the U.S., and actually study up on the issue before spouting off nonsense.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Uneedhlp247

 

Well let me begin this last post on the subject by letting you all know I am not an American hater, that would be to judge and generalize a whole nation in jingoistic fashion and I refuse to go there, I have family in the US going all the way back the Pilgrims so I won't be taking any lectures from anyone who thinks that because they live in America they are naturally American, the Constitution defines an American, some of you should go read it.

The Constitution strictly precludes any and all military activities on Foreign soil, those of you praising the American Empire should realize that actually you are most Un-American and are agents of the Imperial Ideology your forefathers fought so hard against, your minds have been turned from Liberty and Equality for all into Fascism and Rule by force.

You were the great hope of all freedom loving peoples of the world, now the world despairs at your attitude, your Hubris, your Arrogance, your Indifference.

And when faced with the reality your reaction is to cry American hater ... well no ... your not going to get away with that BS any longer.

I will be very precise and specific as to whom I point the finger, It is the warmongers who see value in spending a Trillion dollars on weapons while the common people are Jobless and Homeless, while the infrastructure crumbles underfoot, how does this Global US Empire serve the common American ? .... It doesn't, it is a super-massive parasite that sucks all the goodness out of America and turns it into a Global Protection racket.

A little further history lesson, the only war the US has won was against the Japanese, you accomplished this by dropping Atomic bombs because you feared the massive losses required to take it conventionally.
The only time the US has taken massive losses were at Iwo-Jima and Okinawa.

You did not win WW2, the Soviets did that, they did that by having the tenacity and courage to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the tune of 30 million souls, would Americans be willing to shed that much blood ? I don't think so.

You lost Korea, you lost Vietnam, both because they were more willing to shed blood, more willing because all three USSR, Korea and Vietnam were defending their homelands.

Now, Iraq and Afghanistan, hmmm Iraq, most Iraqi's actually gave up and ran away, they despised Saddam and were not going to die for him, Saddam was a Sunni Baathist whereas most Iraqi's are actually Shia.
Was Iraq a war ? or a Turkey shoot ? certainly not a lot of resistance.
Those poor Iraqi's actually thought you were there to help them..

Afghanistan ... hmmm yeah... a bunch of cavemen and guess what ... you're still there fighting them, the great Imperial Machine can't get it's head around a bunch of cavemen !

You think you have been tested in war .. you haven't ... you do not know the experience of whole cities raised to the ground, you have been safe behind an Ocean buffer zone on either side of your nation.

A war with China and Russia would be the end of the US, and I think you know it despite your bluster.
Only a fool or a complete maniac would even consider such a scenario.

Now I state again for those who choose to fire off with the mouth without reading my words very carefully, this is not American hating, this is opposition to foolish warmongering and stupidity.

Cosmic..

edit on 3-9-2012 by Cosmic4life because: (no reason given)

you got your A** handed to you by those same cavemen too, multiple times during the nineteenth century. I don't support a war with China or Russia, neither does anyone in the U.S., and I totally admit that it would be a hard war, but in the end the U.S. and its allies would prevail. Russia and China are two generations behind the U.S. military and one generation behind the British/EU militaries technologically. Numbers are a strength, but they are the only strength Russia and China have besides nukes. It is highly unlikely that the U.S. would be the one to start this hypothetical war, but it would most likely be started by China or Russia. At the same time, as I have stated in an earlier post, Russia and China would likely be enemies and not allies, they hate and have always hated each other. In all likelyhood, this hypothetical war would be China versus the U.S., India, Europe, Thailand and much of South/Southeast Asia, Taiwan, Japan, and possibly Russia. Add all of those countries up, and China's one advantage, numbers, counts for nothing as they wourld be outnumbered. The same holds up even if they ally with Russia. Also, America and its allies would not have to occupy China, just defend its neighbors against the PLA. So no costly occupation/insurgency like in Afghanistan.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life
reply to post by Uneedhlp247

 

Well let me begin this last post on the subject by letting you all know I am not an American hater, that would be to judge and generalize a whole nation in jingoistic fashion and I refuse to go there, I have family in the US going all the way back the Pilgrims so I won't be taking any lectures from anyone who thinks that because they live in America they are naturally American, the Constitution defines an American, some of you should go read it.

The Constitution strictly precludes any and all military activities on Foreign soil, those of you praising the American Empire should realize that actually you are most Un-American and are agents of the Imperial Ideology your forefathers fought so hard against, your minds have been turned from Liberty and Equality for all into Fascism and Rule by force.

You were the great hope of all freedom loving peoples of the world, now the world despairs at your attitude, your Hubris, your Arrogance, your Indifference.

And when faced with the reality your reaction is to cry American hater ... well no ... your not going to get away with that BS any longer.

I will be very precise and specific as to whom I point the finger, It is the warmongers who see value in spending a Trillion dollars on weapons while the common people are Jobless and Homeless, while the infrastructure crumbles underfoot, how does this Global US Empire serve the common American ? .... It doesn't, it is a super-massive parasite that sucks all the goodness out of America and turns it into a Global Protection racket.

A little further history lesson, the only war the US has won was against the Japanese, you accomplished this by dropping Atomic bombs because you feared the massive losses required to take it conventionally.
The only time the US has taken massive losses were at Iwo-Jima and Okinawa.

You did not win WW2, the Soviets did that, they did that by having the tenacity and courage to sacrifice their sons and daughters to the tune of 30 million souls, would Americans be willing to shed that much blood ? I don't think so.

You lost Korea, you lost Vietnam, both because they were more willing to shed blood, more willing because all three USSR, Korea and Vietnam were defending their homelands.

Now, Iraq and Afghanistan, hmmm Iraq, most Iraqi's actually gave up and ran away, they despised Saddam and were not going to die for him, Saddam was a Sunni Baathist whereas most Iraqi's are actually Shia.
Was Iraq a war ? or a Turkey shoot ? certainly not a lot of resistance.
Those poor Iraqi's actually thought you were there to help them..

Afghanistan ... hmmm yeah... a bunch of cavemen and guess what ... you're still there fighting them, the great Imperial Machine can't get it's head around a bunch of cavemen !

You think you have been tested in war .. you haven't ... you do not know the experience of whole cities raised to the ground, you have been safe behind an Ocean buffer zone on either side of your nation.

A war with China and Russia would be the end of the US, and I think you know it despite your bluster.
Only a fool or a complete maniac would even consider such a scenario.

Now I state again for those who choose to fire off with the mouth without reading my words very carefully, this is not American hating, this is opposition to foolish warmongering and stupidity.

Cosmic..

edit on 3-9-2012 by Cosmic4life because: (no reason given)

We lost Korea? Well, funny thing really, but there are these people called South Koreans who might disagree with you, that war was a draw. BTW, you fought in that war too, so maybe don't talk so much crap. It was a draw, Status Quo Ante Bellum, learn your facts.

Originally posted by Cosmic4life

If I could applaud you I would.

The Constitution strictly precludes any and all military activities on Foreign soil, those of you praising the American Empire should realize that actually you are most Un-American and are agents of the Imperial Ideology your forefathers fought so hard against, your minds have been turned from Liberty and Equality for all into Fascism and Rule by force.

Bravo!