Why Haven't You Enlisted?

The military usually doesn't want to take on someone who might cost them extra money because of physical problems. However, the Marine Corps expects all troops to be riflemen first and foremost. The other services don't and they might overlook a blown-out knee, but I doubt it, unless you had corrective surgery before going in.

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Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The military usually doesn't want to take on someone who might cost them extra money because of physical problems. However, the Marine Corps expects all troops to be riflemen first and foremost. The other services don't and they might overlook a blown-out knee, but I doubt it, unless you had corrective surgery before going in.

[edit on 2005/12/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Even if they brains? Yeah I can understand what your saying but just because someone doesnt have the physical capability to do everything that is expected of a top of the line combatman, they still have a brain and drive...surely that counts for something?

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"Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy" - Henry Kissinger

To fight and die for one's country is honorable and noble. However, to fight for your Lord's and master's profits and bottomline is stupid and idiotic. Let's be honest here. I live in NYC and in some strange way, that day woke me up and I have been following these events ever since. Now to my main point.

9/11 has NOTHING to do with the current War on Terror. All actions in Iraq are illegal. No one can connect 9/11 to Iraq which is why the name Osama Bin Laden has gone AWOL not unlike Bush/Cheney and the other Republikrats when it came to military service.

America is fighting wars of imperial dominance. While the reasons for this are varied as they are hard to swallow, it is the truth. 9/11, and the events afterward (Patriot Act, Afghanistan, Iraq, domestic turmoil) are indications of an inside job. Just ask yourself this question.

We can take down multiple countries, fight wars on multiple fronts, have the biggest and most expensive military in history and several times more funding than the next leading nation but we cannot find the posterboy, the most wanted man in the world (apparently), Osama Bin Laden?

Our electronic surveillance can track and trace almost anyone and everyone in the world but we cannot locate an abnormally tall and physically disabled Arab?

Maybe we should check during Carlyle Group meetings to see if Mr. Bin Laden is present?

Or maybe we shouldn't have let the Bin Laden family "escape" from this country days after the attacks on 9/11? No American could fly in the skies but the closest relatives and family members of Osama Bin Laden were not only let go but also given private charter flights back to Saudi Arabia. I wonder what the in-flight movie was? Pearl Harbour?

Speaking of Saudi Arabia, weren't the majority of the terrorists "Saudis"? Shouldn't we have invaded that pathetic theocratic monarchy if we truely wanted revenge? Oh thats right, the Saudi's supply us with lots and lots of oil.

If you want to fight in imperialistic wars so your emperor can have his way then sign up today. You can fight alongside the armed forces which are overrun by poor minorities, illegal aliens, and the bottom of the social barrel. Most of the military recruitment these days is woefully underqualified but bodies are bodies as the old saying goes.

Because who else is going to fight? The rich?

Bush? AWOL. Cheney? Deferrment after deferrment after deferrment. The only time Rumsfeld has been in Iraq was to greet and discuss matters with Saddam Hussein, a cleverly engineered American/CIA assest used to keep that large portion of Earth under despostic control.

Don't worry all you wannabe Rambo's and assassins. If you don't make it to the nuclear desert in time, you will have your chance to fight but it will likely be on American soil against enemies born and raised in America. In the end, those who support terrorists will lose. But do you know for sure which side you stand on because the rug has been pulled out from under you in 9.2 seconds, the same amount of time it took the WTC to collapse under controlled demolition.

9/11 was the pretext. Figure out 9/11. Then you will see why everything after 9/11 has come to pass. So when the next 9/11 comes and IT WILL because the war drums for Iran and Syria are beating heavy already, you will understand the game your masters play with your lives.

9/11 is the key. 9/11 is the answer to everything. When the world brings to justice the REAL masterminds of the largest mass murder in American history then and only then will the War on Terror end.

But that will never happen because Osama Bin Laden and the boogeyman are impossible to capture therefore the PNAC doctorine lives.

Oh and democrats are even worse and have become the scapegoat party ala the communists and liberals in Germany. All are accountable. All are guilty.

Originally posted by devilwasp
Even if they brains? Yeah I can understand what your saying but just because someone doesnt have the physical capability to do everything that is expected of a top of the line combatman, they still have a brain and drive...surely that counts for something?

Well, I got out of the Marine Corps in 1971, so I am few years removed from current policy. Service members, especially in the Marine Corp, have to be able to go where they are needed, regardless of their MOS. If that's in the field, then that's where they go.

It would be better, though, to discuss this matter with a recruiter. Like I said, I'm a fossil.


[edit on 2005/12/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Well, I got out of the Marine Corps in 1971, so I am few years removed from current policy. Service members, especially in the Marine Corp, have to be able to go where they are needed, regardless of their MOS. If that's in the field, then that's where they go.

It would be better, though, to discuss this matter with a recruiter. Like I said, I'm a fossil.

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The past tells us more than the present ever could.
Besides, your no fossil grady....the body may age and grow old but the mind tends to stay alert or even more so.

Originally posted by devilwasp

Why not try out for a military contractor role?
Or a reservist, I know the secretary at rosyth naval base has a back problem which is genetice but still serves, mabye the corp or the navy can do something?

I was actually thinking about taking a year off from school to go work for the (Satan owned) Haliburton driving in their convoys. From some research I did, it seems they pay VERY well, and I was thinking I could cover a year of school doing that.

In any case, I am a bit old to join the game, and have invested too much time and money trying to finish my MBA to run off to war. I tried twice to join (first out of HS as an inlisted man, then after college as an officer). I gave them 2 shots. One before 9/11 and one after.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
The military usually doesn't want to take on someone who might cost them extra money because of physical problems. However, the Marine Corps expects all troops to be riflemen first and foremost. The other services don't and they might overlook a blown-out knee, but I doubt it, unless you had corrective surgery before going in.
[edit on 2005/12/18 by GradyPhilpott]

Yeah, I have had 3 surgeries, 2 of which were before I was 20. It's funny, because I couldn't get medical clearence to play football, but my vertical jump is 2 inches higher then it was pre surgery. Go figure

Man that rebelsaint has some issues. The same post twice in one thread. What got me was his saying they take illegal aliens. when did this start? I thought you had to be a citizen to join. Shoot when I signed up you had to have proof of being born in the U.S.A.
Otherwise there are some valid points raised by rebel.

Actually, I don't think that they will take illegal aliens, but they do take foreign nationals, who often use their service as an opportunity for citizenship. One of my best friends in the Marine Corps is a Canadian citizen, who even though he has lived in Connecticut for most of his life, prefers to remain a Canadian citizen. He's a decorated combat vet.

They can be as selective as they want to be. When Desert Storm began I went to enlist. After about 5 months of testing, the whole gamut, I was refused because my liver functions we high. Sure they are, I drink. But that's BS, my old man was Navy and I can tell you their liver functions were probably higher than mine. They just didn't want a 30 year old recruit. This is the first generation since my great grandfathers that didn't serve.

That sounds more reasonable, especially knowing that in WW2 they imprisoned American born Japanese but also allowed some to serve in the armed forces.
If they ever allow illegal immagrants to serve then they should be allowed citizenship.

Originally posted by longhaircowboy
Man that rebelsaint has some issues. The same post twice in one thread. What got me was his saying they take illegal aliens. when did this start? I thought you had to be a citizen to join. Shoot when I signed up you had to have proof of being born in the U.S.A.
Otherwise there are some valid points raised by rebel.

Issues? Well do tell me what issues I may have since I may not be aware of them myself. Greatly appreciated.

I did mean foreign nationals instead of illegal aliens but I bet with the low standard set for recruiters that many illegals have joined and are coerced into joining as well. Service for citizenship?

Originally posted by RebelSaint
Service for citizenship?

Why not? It is a long held tradition in the US military. You should bone up on your US history. You might have a somewhat less histrionic response to the idea of service to one's country.

I meant that your post has more relevance in the PTS or 9/11 forums but as I said you raise some valid points. This thread is about enlisting in the armed forces not political intruege or 9/11 conpiracies. Btw I checked and they do take foreign nationals. Thanks for the kickstart Rebelsaint.

I would like to set the record straight on a few things. First of all, I believe that military service is a wonderful thing that teaches an individual certain traits and proper behavior skills that is lost upon too many people nowadays. But I am in the Eisenhower camp of believers who thinks todays military is part of this corporate-military-industrial complex that is subverting the Republic of America and re-creating another nation in her image.

I love this country and would die for her. But not for lies and deceit.

edit" BTW I apologize for the double post earlier.

[edit on 18-12-2005 by RebelSaint]

Right on. I feel the same way. I did serve this country and no matter how corrupt the current administration gets I think we should stand up for the Red White and Blue. I did. I would. If I could. If only They'd let me.
Yes I know the war on terror has nothing to do with Saddam, but I would strangle him with my bare hands if it would stop the killing of my fellow citizens.
As I said I tried to get in the fight. You?

Because I don't want to fight or die for something I don't believe in. I would fight and die for something I believed in, but not for this...

Originally posted by devilwasp
Artificer, doesnt exist anymore.
Creaky 23? Come on man, your not that old!
I know they will take anyone up to 55 but its the specifc job, I want to work with the very best and be the very best.

Tifs do exist my friend, where did they tell you that?

All three arms of the services have Articifers, they're the cream of the engineering staff. If they didn't exist, why would the RN be displaying pay info about them?

Royal Navy

What was the job you were going to do? Apart from being an Officer or Medical Staff, the entry requirements for most (if not all) of the positions are just 5 GCSE's and passing the apptitude.

Seeing as you can't directly apply for a specialised role such as a diver directly from civvie street, I am at a loss as to what job it was you were going for.

Simple reason for me not enlisting...I'm not old enough. As soon as i get the chance im enlisting. I would rather die for my country than sit here and do nothing.

enlist ....for who for what??? all i no is you have 1 life to live on this stinking planet...why should these young kids give the government there lives to play the game of war with???i am sick of hearing about ww1 and ww2 vets saying there crap about the youth of this nation is not enlisting,do not forget they drafted most of you...and for the ones that enlist you are fools....see any of uncle sams kids fighting ......not......war is for suckers only the weak minded play the game......