Why Haven't You Enlisted?

Originally posted by antipigopolist
How bout you little cheerleaders of war go buy some blue and yellow skirts and start your very own little squad. I'd rather see that then one more human die for another's greed.

Fortunately for you, there are those who have a higher sense of duty and have the gumption to look beyond the platitudes of invertebrates to see the real challenges the world faces today.

From a long line of USAAF to USAF veterans including me. You have no reason to care what anyone else thinks about your tour. Thank you for your service.

John

[edit on 12/4/2004 by just_a_pilot]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott
Fortunately for you, there are those who have a higher sense of duty and have the gumption to look beyond the platitudes of invertebrates to see the real challenges the world faces today.

Your opinion is what it is, GP. And your entitled to it. And as to the strength of my spine, you are ill equipped to judge. Unfortunately for you, you do not realize that sanctions were working and Saddam was only a threat to the Iraqis who should have been allowed to make their own destiny. Your logic is outdated as well as your view of the world's challenges which are not one country's right to control for it's own interests.

I can think of many other countries that need our help economically as well as militarily...you choose to ignore that for your own agenda.

[edit on 4-12-2004 by antipigopolist]

Originally posted by Thomas Crowne
It is neither unconstitutional or illegal.

Actually, it is. Check out this link:

Constitution Party Position on Foreign Aid

BTW keep in mind that I am not a liberal. I'm just not a neo-con (not saying you are). In fact, Bush is too liberal for my liking!

BTW I just hope you guys know I am not against our troops--those that are actually doing their jobs and not torturing anyone or harming innocent people, which I'm sure is the vast majority.

My dad was in the 82nd Airborne. I have a stepbrother who was in the Marines. One maternal uncle was in the Navy, and another was was in the Marines--in fact, he got cancer from that Agent Orange stuff and died 19 years ago. My maternal grandmother's brother (granduncle) fought in WWII. He and his entire unit died fighting Rommel if I remember right, back in 1943, in North Africa.

My family's pretty patriotic. Especially my dad, who died in 2000. My dad's maternal uncle, in fact, was standing guard in Pearl Harbor the day it was bombed!

It is NOT unconstitutional. PERIOD. I do not have to agree with the war in Iraq nor do you. But it is NOT unconstitutional.

I did my time, albeit before 9-11.

If it was not for my children I would have signed up. Yes, I realize I'm not the only man with children but I will not take that chance to leave them fatherless. I care for them too much as they do for me. My best friend is in Iraq and other good friends as well. If I was a single man I would no doubt be there with my buddies. I will say that I don't agree with the war in Iraq though.

My grandfather James Degeorge forged his name and paperwork to get into the peace corps at the age of 15 and when the time came he entered the army. He was stationed at pearl harbor 21st infantry when the japanese bombed there. He made it home safely but from his stories lost many friends. So I do appreciate what all veterans have done for our country and my loved ones.

I would never join any armed services. I'm an artist, a creator, not a destroyer. I dont have the material and the ability to become a soldier, I'm skinny, weak, and fragile. I just wouldnt make a good soldier, period, plus, its not where I should be. It takes a special kindof person to make a soldier.

yet your name is Wolf of War.

yes, because it used to be an old gamer tag of mine, and I love wolves... thats really all my name means. :shrug:

The country of Japan attacked us. We went after Japan.

Al Qaeda attacked us. We drop some bombs on afganistan, and then invade Iraq.

Being that there are 100,000 plus more soldiers occupying a country that did not attack us than there are looking for the person/group responsible for an attack on U.S. soil, I cannot enlist on the grounds that we are not fighting a war on terror.

Give me a war I believe in, and I will fight to be first in line.

Originally posted by beatneck
The country of Japan attacked us. We went after Japan.

Al Qaeda attacked us. We drop some bombs on afganistan, and then invade Iraq.

Being that there are 100,000 plus more soldiers occupying a country that did not attack us than there are looking for the person/group responsible for an attack on U.S. soil, I cannot enlist on the grounds that we are not fighting a war on terror.

Give me a war I believe in, and I will fight to be first in line.

I could not have said it better. It's really that simple. Some understand and some do not. After 9/11, I tried to enlist but missed the cutoff age by 2 years. I called anyway, to no avail.

You see, Grady will run around here and try to goad you into a feeling...a feeling that unless you fight for your country, no matter the right or wrong of it, you are spineless...un-American...a hypocrite. It's HIS way or the highway. He's a recruiter, hired or not. He has an agenda. But he doesn't understand that this is not a just war but a war of vengence and for oil rights.

Unfortunatly, the desire to hinder free speech and thought is exponetially greater each year as witnessed by the recent suppression of protesting, Tenet's effort to crimp the internet, etc.. because lies and deceit are much easier to out in this information generation. The wool is no longer so easy to pull over another's eyes through govt. controlled media, etc. I feel for Grady and the like that have been "washed" of logic, so easily swayed or otherwise lied to so often that the lie is now truth.

But know this Grady, if and when a war does come home, I will still have your back, no matter your views. To me, that is the just cause and what America is all about. Maybe this will help you recognize the strength of spine of some Americans that you so easily dismiss.

Originally posted by antipigopolist
I could not have said it better. It's really that simple. Some understand and some do not. After 9/11, I tried to enlist but missed the cutoff age by 2 years. I called anyway, to no avail.

If you're to old to enlist, then that's no fault of your own. I just have to wonder about those who are of the proper age and who would pass up the opportunity to be a part of the event of their lifetimes.

Just to play devils adovacate. Japan attacked us in WWII, we went over to Germany and fought them.

Its kindof the same thing, take out the allies. CIA suggested Bin Laden was funneling money and resources to Al Queada, hence, they were also our enemies. remember our policy "Anybody who harbors and helps terrorists are enemies of us." Granted, the CIA was wrong, but that was the reason WHY we went there.

Originally posted by beatneck
The country of Japan attacked us. We went after Japan.

What about Germany?

Give me a war I believe in, and I will fight to be first in line.

You know we still have troops in Afghanistan. You know we have people serving all over the globe. You know that there are MOSs that wouldn't see a combat zone in three lifetimes. Ever hear of the Coast Guard? Give it up. I've heard it all before.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

You know we still have troops in Afghanistan. You know we have people serving all over the globe. You know that there are MOSs that wouldn't see a combat zone in three lifetimes. Ever hear of the Coast Guard? Give it up. I've heard it all before.

yet the fact remains he doesnt want to be part of a force that is attacking something he doesnt believe in.

Originally posted by devilwasp
yet the fact remains he doesnt want to be part of a force that is attacking something he doesnt believe in.

Oh, right. Thanks for reminding me. He's a lean, mean, fighting machine waiting for a war the meets his lofty standards for acceptability. My point is that there never is a time when the US does not need people to serve in assignments around the world. There are ways to serve your nation in a variety of capacities and you can even enlist as a conscientious objector. Maybe you buy that line, but I don't. I've heard it all.

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

You know we still have troops in Afghanistan. You know we have people serving all over the globe. You know that there are MOSs that wouldn't see a combat zone in three lifetimes. Ever hear of the Coast Guard? Give it up. I've heard it all before.

I am fully aware of our military resources, and yes I have heard of the Coast Guard.

I answered your thread question on why I havent enlisted. I then get a brief history of WWII, and a implication that I am not man enough to fight for my country.

I will take your advice though, and just give up.

Originally posted by beatneck
I will take your advice though, and just give up.

Don't give up. Re-evaluate your values and priorities. Never again will there be a war as clear cut as WWII.