Why Haven't You Enlisted?

Originally posted by taibunsuu
If you claim to support the troops in a war you can't justify, then you're not supporting the troops, you're supporting stupidity. I can't justify the war, and I support the troops, so I say get those guys and gals out of there, immediately.

i dont totaly agree with your view on the military but i support your idea , get both US and UK troops outa there. we went in, we done the job now we need to get out ASAP
the ilitary can help you get many things actually that you cant in collage. take me if i join as a tif (articifer) and pass training and serve for 3 years i can get any engineering job i want.

Originally posted by dbates

Originally posted by zcheng
You want to enlist after seeing following?
Video at
tides.carebridge.org...

I served 6 years active duty in the USAF, and I was in Saudi during Desert Storm (Gulf War I for you youngsters). Seeing that video actually made me wish I could reenlist and do more. I noticed the cowards took off as soon as they finished detonating their roadside bomb. If they showed stuff like that on the news I think we would have to turn people away from enlisting.

From what I saw they didnt run till shot at which makes them twice the cowards because the commited an attack and wasnt even brave enough to repell the counter. one time a coward for the sneak attack, two times the coward for not repelling the counter, three times the coward for not even having the guts to show themselves on tape.....Their belief system states they will be rewarded for acts of war as they put it, then why hide...
BIG COWARDS to the 3rd power

I don't support our troops in Iraq...

Why anyone would want to enlist in the army to risk their lives over some political progaganda is beyond me.

Then again I know of a lot of people who enlisted thinking they would never actually have to go to war...they were wrong...

Originally posted by Lecky
I don't support our troops in Iraq...

Why anyone would want to enlist in the army to risk their lives over some political progaganda is beyond me.

Then again I know of a lot of people who enlisted thinking they would never actually have to go to war...they were wrong...

can i ask how the country defends itself from an agressor?

Well the obvious answer to that question is with their army...

What I'm saying is that I don't understand the mentality of someone wanting to do that...

I consider murder to be a big deal, and I would have a hard time killing someone because my government ordered me to.

That goes double for this predicament we are in now...all those innocent live's lost...because of why? I'm sorry but I just can't make light of that.

I can't say that all wars aren't justified, that's a pretty broad statement to make...

What I'm trying to say is that the government doesn't have the individuals best interest in mind when sending them off to war...(well that's obvious I guess lol)

I'm not sure what it would take to actually bring me to war...but it would have to be something pretty brutal...


The good news is not everyone in this country feels the same way b/c if they did...we'd have a mighty weak army...and that would be a bad thing...I guess...



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[edit on 10/26/2004 by Lecky]

Originally posted by Lecky
Well the obvious answer to that question is with their army...

see thats the fault rite there THEY WILL KILL YOU!

What I'm saying is that I don't understand the mentality of someone wanting to do that...

no one wants to kill that not what being in the military is all about. its being able to stand up and say "yes i will fight for my freedom"and not sit and watch it happen

I consider murder to be a big deal, and I would have a hard time killing someone because my government ordered me to.

it is not murder if you are defending yourself from the enemy that is the whole point of guns , to defend yourself.

That goes double for this predicament we are in now...all those innocent live's lost...because of why? I'm sorry but I just can't make light of that.

like everyone says "civilian casualties are to be exspected" i dont like it ,your dont like it .no one likes war.

What I'm trying to say is that the government doesn't have the individuals best interest in mind when sending them off to war...(well that's obvious I guess lol)

they have the interests of their citizens in mind and these men and women are there to defend them.

I'm not sure what it would take to actually bring me to war...but it would have to be something pretty brutal...

well thats good , many people like that have made great contrabutions to soceity and to life in general.

The good news is not everyone in this country feels the same way b/c if they did...we'd have a mighty weak army...and that would be a bad thing...I guess...

a weak army is really a bad thing because no one will stand up for thier country.

Originally posted by craigandrew
Thank you for the laugh Billybob. I needed it.

good. laughter is the only respite from the evil that rules us. i'm going to put this guy, now, to further the strength of my position, .....
and now these guys for therapy, .....

Originally posted by devilwasp
can i ask how the country defends itself from an agressor?

How would you defend yourself against an attacker? Would you shoot at people on the street as they pass by your house because they might be coming to attack you? Or would you wait for an attacker to enter your home, then defend yourself? You're confusing offense with defense, I think.
Furthermore, if a neighbor down the street got assaulted, would you go on a killing spree until you found out who did it? Would that keep you from being assaulted? What if the assailant happened to have been killed in the assault? Does it then make sense to go looking for others who may have known him, even though they had nothing to do with the crime?

The sad fact is, the only agressors were the hijackers, who are dead. We can't even identify them, much less prove they were associated with OBL or Saddam.

[edit on 26-10-2004 by Damned]

Originally posted by devilwasp
see thats the fault rite there THEY WILL KILL YOU!

Huh? you asked how a country would defend itself...I said with their army...

no one wants to kill that not what being in the military is all about. its being able to stand up and say "yes i will fight for my freedom"and not sit and watch it happen

Are our soldiers fighting for our freedom in Iraq? How so? I don't know about you but I feel pretty free in this country.

it is not murder if you are defending yourself from the enemy that is the whole point of guns , to defend yourself.

Sorry but yes it's murder, Iraq didn't invade us remember? What were we defending ourselves against? those weapons of mass destruction that don't exist?

like everyone says "civilian casualties are to be exspected" i dont like it ,your dont like it .no one likes war.

Bush has 1000's of innocent civilian's blood on his hands...as well as all who support this faulty war. I firmly believe that...

they have the interests of their citizens in mind and these men and women are there to defend them.

I'm sure the government is very thankful for people who feel the same as you...

a weak army is really a bad thing because no one will stand up for thier country.

Yeah...you are right but as time progresses do we always want to be watching our backs? Does it ever end? Is it really in our country's best interest?

I don't have all the answers, I can't even fathom on where to begin to fix this mess...but there has to be a solution.

Using brute force isn't always the right way to go...it should only be used in desperate situations...and American has abused its power in Iraq for all the world to see... I'm not proud of this.

As preparations for the Iraq elections are shifting into high gear, more and more units are having their tours extended to deal with insurgent efforts to derail democracy.

Many here speculate about a draft, while the Administration denies that a draft is necessary. I am beginning to have concerns for those who have been in Iraq for nearly two years.

Which brings to me back to the question which is the title of this thread.

Why haven't you enlisted?

[edit on 04/12/4 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott

Why haven't you enlisted?

[edit on 04/12/4 by GradyPhilpott]

i havent because i am wanting to serve my country as an engineer and i am studying to get the grades to go to colledge to get my engineering officer then join, this good enough?

Originally posted by devilwasp
i havent because i am wanting to serve my country as an engineer and i am studying to get the grades to go to colledge to get my engineering officer then join, this good enough?

That's a very good reason, as you are making plans and preparations to serve your country in the most effective way possible. We can't fight wars without the engineers and the engineers do much that benefits peacetime society. Good luck in your efforts.

[edit on 04/12/4 by GradyPhilpott]

Originally posted by GradyPhilpott


That's a very good reason, as you are making plans and preparations to serve your country in the most effective way possible. We can't fight wars without the engineers and the engineers do much that benefits peacetime society. Good luck in your efforts.

[edit on 04/12/4 by GradyPhilpott]

yeah but one thing, not every person HAS to serve in the military. hell i might i'm not certain.
service life is not for everyone. it takes a certain breed of person to be a ships captain, cook, comando,gunner,medic or most of all the men in the support lines, "an army marches on its stomach" sun tzu.

Been there, done that.
Served 8 years and was in the First Gulf War.
I got out to finish college and pursue a Master's.



seekerof

Four reasons.

1) I'm a woman
2) I'm a wife
3) I'm a mother
4) I have a bad ankle. Had surgery on it to put pins, screws, and staples in to freeze an ankle joint. After a year it's still hurting and I'm still limping.

Let me add a fifth reason: It's an unconstitional war. So even if the above four did not apply, this reason alone would be enough.

It's pretty bad that you *need* a draft. If it were a just war, you'd have people lining up to enlist--go figure!

It is neither unconstitutional or illegal.

As far as your otehr reasons, those are all very good reasons. Especially the motherhood part. I'd rather face combat than have a child. I think if it were up to us guys to have kids, there'd be no war as there'd be no population!

I have served, from Africa to the Balkans, stopping off in Northern Ireland for a couple of years. Ive seen the best and the worst in Man. Ive walked through a small Village in Croatia who's name i cant even pronounce and seen and smelt the dead. Ive been spat at and petrol bombed in Northern Ireland and i have lost friends there. Ive come across grown men and teenagers with their knees drilled through with a portable drill in dark back streets because the IRA needed to save ammunition. Ive slept stood up in trenches ankle deep in water in the freezing cold in the back end of beyond.
Ive also sat out on the plains of Kenya around a fire with some of the best people a man could meet and been privileged to call them friend. Ive been drunk and had fistfights and gambled with them too.
Ive done all these things and more.
Being a Soldier is more than just parades and rifle ranges and War games.
Its a way of life. Think carefully before you join because the Army is a harsh mistress but a kind one in equal measure. Sometimes you give more to it than it gives to you. Service to ones Country is a fine thing, but it isn't for everyone.

Why haven't I enlisted? Oh buddy, listen to me, i've already enlisted done this and done that. It's over with me iraq sickens me to the point of death, I did not go there for Bush i went there because i felt like the American people were in need of help. This isn't something like a meaningless war, but war is hell and so are all wars. This war however, was to get osama and push saddam off of his throne. Yet, it seems like the war is just too chaotic and unjust to some people and there has been more deaths than you can think off.

How bout you little cheerleaders of war go buy some blue and yellow skirts and start your very own little squad. I'd rather see that then one more human die for another's greed. The Dangling Oil Carrot War is not a just war. I feel sorry for the men, women, and children caught up in this. And for you as well for being caught up in blind patriotism and prejudice obscuring judgement.

Originally posted by Rifleman
Why haven't I enlisted? Oh buddy, listen to me, i've already enlisted done this and done that.

Well, if you have done your part and served your time, no one can fault you for that. I served in Vietnam for only six-months before I was wounded. With the hospital time, my tour was sufficiently long to count as a full tour and my rotation date was beyond my release from active duty date. By the time I was released from all my treatments and returned to full duty, the Marine Corps was beginning its withdrawal. I felt I had done my part and served out my time and got out.

Only a few have ever faulted me for that, but there are some one must simply take with a grain of salt.

[edit on 04/12/4 by GradyPhilpott]