Holmes had TWO roommates! EVIDENCE that MSM is rewriting the official story before our eyes!!!

Netanyahu had expressed a certain satisfaction over the 9/11 attack on U.S. television in implying the attack would be "good for Israel." The response to the 9/11 attack was severely affected by actual commercial airplane hijacking drills being run by the Pentagon during the actual attacks.

Ironically, Safir's one-time intelligence chief, Oates, would also face the strange situation where an emergency medical drill in nearby Douglas County, on the outskirts of Aurora, that dealt with a gunman shooting up a movie theater, was being conducted during the actual shooting at the Batman movie in Aurora.

Oates, in remarks to the media after the massacre at the theater, immediately moved to quash rumors on the Internet. He also told CBS News Face the Nation: "All evidence we have, every single indicator is that it was all Mr. Holmes' activity and that he wasn't particularly aided by anyone else." Oates was discounting anything other than a "lone nut" theory behind the mass shooting.
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This post is full of leading language, the claims are almost all unsourced and the whole thing was lifted off some other site, with no link. (EDIT: Lifted from Wayne Madsen - and it's premium content...)

This is pretty much the epitome of useless.

Originally posted by tallblondealien
Two roomates and a Mother who knew immediately that the shooter is her son. Why did she know that?

She didn't. Go look at her second statement.

Originally posted by coyotepoet
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

As for eye colour, based on two random photos, give me a break.... unless you have very similar lighting, etc., trying to determine if people's eye colour is the same from two random photos is absurd. It's fairly obvious to everyone but extreme CTers that it's the same guy, his parents say it's him, the police say it's him, the court said it was him... Two very different photos (one of which is obviously stretched, and which are taken from different angles, with a different expression, and different hair colour) is not good enough to start leaping to these sorts of conclusions... the other one, which debunked it, had them over-layed and faded between the two and there was at least an attempt to account for the perspective... I'll try and find that link..

Like eye said, the eye picture wasn't the best example. I'd love to see the info. Perhaps the different people thing is a "red" herring. Still doesn't detract from the fact that this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

It only "stinks" if you're looking for a conspiracy. I have yet to see any meaningful evidence of anything but what the cops are saying.

The CT community has swung into fifth gear to try and make this into something, but... there's no evidence.

Originally posted by tallblondealien
Two roomates and a Mother who knew immediately that the shooter is her son. Why did she know that?

She didn't. When asked by a reporter if she was James Holmes' mother, she answered "you've got the right person". It was only poor journalism, twisting the words of someone in order to have something falsely juicy to put online and on the air.

During the chaotic aftermath of the Colorado shooting on Friday, a particularly chilling moment came when ABC News spoke to the mother of suspect James Holmes by phone. The network reported that the woman, reached in California, "told ABC News her son was likely the alleged culprit, saying, 'You have the right person.'" The article also said that Holmes's mother was "apparently speaking on gut instinct" when she "immediately expressed concern her son may be involved in the shooting death of at least 12 people overnight." Today, she disputed that account, claiming her quotes were misused. If true, that would be ABC's second big screwup within the same story. [Update: ABC stands by its reporting; see below.] "This statement is to clarify a statement made by ABC media," said Holmes today through her lawyer, Lisa Damiani. "I was awakened by a call from a reporter by ABC on July 20 about 5:45 in the morning. I did not know anything about a shooting in Aurora at that time. He asked if I was Arlene Holmes and if my son was James Holmes who lives in Aurora, Colorado. I answered, 'Yes, you have the right person.' I was referring to myself. I asked him to tell me why he was calling and he told me about a shooting in Aurora. He asked for a comment. I told him I could not comment because I did not know if the person he was talking about was my son, and I would need to find out."

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You say:

His Temporal Illusion presentation would likely include experiments in that field, which would very likely include post hypnotic suggestions and mind control issues which would open the door for personal experience. I say that because there has been massive speculation that he was a victim of mind control, in fact, I thought it almost immediately upon hearing the particulars of the case, and especially after seeing his 10 minute court appearance. Amnesia for the event is typical for post hypnotic induction if the hypnotist chooses to lock the memory, and in his case, if he was induced, it is likely this would be the case. The less he remembers the easier it will be to convict him as he has no defense.

Which is BS.

There's been a SMALL amount of speculation, by people with NO evidence, about mind control.

There's NO evidence for anything to do with hypnosis, and in fact, temporal illusions are about changing perception, so that your memory of an event doesn't match reality, BUT you're talking about things like, "which sound comes first in this series of tones". There is NO evidence AT ALL of anyone being able to do anything other than the most basic tricks with this stuff... which is cool for developing things like better 3D technology, or better stereo imaging, but is NOT anything like what people are claiming... nothing to do with hypnosis or mind control assassins.

The idea of post hypnotic suggestion is at best, unproven. On top of that, if you look at how hypnosis works, when it DOES work, subjects tend to be more concious than the movies let on...chances of him being a patsy, manipulated to kill unwittingly, due to a post hypnotic suggestion, are basically zero.

No evidence of a conspiracy? Two gas masks confirmed. Multiple eyewitnesses report an accomplice involved. Three eyewitness accounts of possible suspects fleeing the crime scene.

reply to post by EffTheCIA


And we can add to that, the witnesses described were wearing different clothing. There were two distinct vehicles described in the audio dispatches from that night. A gray vehicle with police tape around it can be seen in the AP photo of the second gas mask...along with some more gear and an orange bag. Did the MSM mention any of this? Nope.

When police ran the license plate check of "James`" car, the address that came back did not match James Holmes`apartment. In the dispatches, when police/fire say they're going to the address for surveillance purposes, the address they went to was not the address of James Holmes. Also, if that was James' car, how is the Booking Report explained? The police recorded "N/A" on the report for "vehicle location." Shouldn't they have put "back of Century 16 theatre"? Why didn't they? Because it wasn't his car? Has the MSM covered that at all? Of course not.

Nobody who has spoken on camera (and claimed to have been sitting right behind the person who took the phone call, which most "believers" seem to think was James) has mentioned a person with flaming red hair. Now, if I was someone who witnessed such an event, and I was talking about the person who I thought did the shooting, the first way I would describe that person is by mentioning the bright red hair. It blows my mind that anyone who believes James is guilty, totally overlooks this, just turns the other way.

There is zero surveillance of James Holmes. Period. If anyone on this board committed such a crime, you can bet there would be some surveillance of us somewhere. I am on camera getting into my elevator, I'm on camera in my underground parking garage, I'm on camera when I shop in my grocery store...If anyone this day in age buys that there is no surveillance of James anywhere, then they're lacking a few brain cells.

Initially, Chief Oates reported that 14 people had died, 10 in the theatre, and four at hospitals. Mysteriously, that number changed to 12. This was not a case of 100s of people dying in which it would have been difficult to keep track of numbers. Oates did not give a vague description of the numbers. He specifically said four died in hospitals. Two people were taken off the list. Why? Of course, we're supposed to just blindly believe that it was an honest mistake, no questions asked.

Silence speaks louder than words.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
There were two distinct vehicles described in the audio dispatches from that night.

Can you tell me in which scanner and at what time the other vehicle was mentioned? All I recall is they found a bomb in the west (front) parking lot. I don't recall any specifics on the vehicle mentioned.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
When police ran the license plate check of "James`" car, the address that came back did not match James Holmes`apartment. In the dispatches, when police/fire say they're going to the address for surveillance purposes, the address they went to was not the address of James Holmes.

Again, can you tell me what scanner and at what time these statements were made? In the Aurora PD scanner they said the car was based out of Columbia TN, so they wouldn't have had a local address to go to.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
Initially, Chief Oates reported that 14 people had died, 10 in the theatre, and four at hospitals. Mysteriously, that number changed to 12. This was not a case of 100s of people dying in which it would have been difficult to keep track of numbers. Oates did not give a vague description of the numbers. He specifically said four died in hospitals. Two people were taken off the list. Why? Of course, we're supposed to just blindly believe that it was an honest mistake, no questions asked.

All we can do is speculate on this unfortunately.

proudly giving you your 200th flag
i so agree with the op

of course the MSM are lying
maybe only 10% is the truth .. and im generous

Originally posted by EffTheCIA

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
There were two distinct vehicles described in the audio dispatches from that night.

Can you tell me in which scanner and at what time the other vehicle was mentioned? All I recall is they found a bomb in the west (front) parking lot. I don't recall any specifics on the vehicle mentioned.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
When police ran the license plate check of "James`" car, the address that came back did not match James Holmes`apartment. In the dispatches, when police/fire say they're going to the address for surveillance purposes, the address they went to was not the address of James Holmes.

Again, can you tell me what scanner and at what time these statements were made? In the Aurora PD scanner they said the car was based out of Columbia TN, so they wouldn't have had a local address to go to.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
Initially, Chief Oates reported that 14 people had died, 10 in the theatre, and four at hospitals. Mysteriously, that number changed to 12. This was not a case of 100s of people dying in which it would have been difficult to keep track of numbers. Oates did not give a vague description of the numbers. He specifically said four died in hospitals. Two people were taken off the list. Why? Of course, we're supposed to just blindly believe that it was an honest mistake, no questions asked.

All we can do is speculate on this unfortunately.

I can post you the link that outlines the times on the scanners: www.canadafreepress.com...

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts

I can post you the link that outlines the times on the scanners: www.canadafreepress.com...

Yeah they were mistaken. The address at 1:09/1:10am is 1690 s moline st, which is where someone was seen being dragged into a car by three other people. The Hyundai that they found Holmes in was registered to him, based out of Columbia TN. Very strange because I saw a video that clearly showed the plates as CO plates. Media changed them in the video? I haven't seen any photos or video that show them as TN plates.

1:06am
Aurora PD Scanner
"It's coming back clear, James Holmes"

1:09am
Blue SE Police Scanner (Colorado Intermutual Aid)
"1690 S Moline St
We have a report of at least 3 people dragging a person into an unknown description vehicle. Last
seen northbound on the street. Any available units that can assist."

1:51am
Aurora PD Police Scanner
"The charcoal colored Hyundai checks out, is based out of Columbia TN"

reply to post by EffTheCIA


Has anyone ever come across a transcript of the entire police/fire audio of that night with the exact times?

The thing I don't understand is why they didn't put his vehicle location on the Booking Report. What would a possible explanation for that be?

Unless I misunderstood that article, the address they were going to initially was not Holmes' apartment, and that first address is the one which corresponded to the license plates of that car.

I also heard about the person being dragged into a car.

And what does "The charcoal colored Hyundai checks out, is based out of Columbia TN" even mean, I wonder. Checks out? And was that the car in the AP photo with police tape around it? I don't know car models very well. But, it was gray.

www.apimages.com...

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
Has anyone ever come across a transcript of the entire police/fire audio of that night with the exact times?

I don't think it exists. I just have the notes I took from them.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
The thing I don't understand is why they didn't put his vehicle location on the Booking Report. What would a possible explanation for that be?

I had heard that booking report was when he was transferred to Arapahoe County Jail, which is why he was in orange.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
Unless I misunderstood that article, the address they were going to initially was not Holmes' apartment, and that first address is the one which corresponded to the license plates of that car.

The author misunderstood why they were asking officers to check out that address. It was regarding the people being dragged into the car. The dispatch repeated the address and said, "Can any officers in the area check it out? I have no other information".

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
And what does "The charcoal colored Hyundai checks out, is based out of Columbia TN" even mean, I wonder. Checks out? And was that the car in the AP photo with police tape around it? I don't know car models very well. But, it was gray.

I'll have to relisten to the scanners. A debunker said this below. I don't think that the plates are much to go off of as this being a conspiracy. I think the two gas masks as well as witness statements are the best evidence. There were also three instances of eyewitnesses seeing potential suspects fleeing the scene.

"Why did Holmes have a Tennessee license plate?

Answer: He didn't, it was on a different car - a charcoal-colored Hyundai Accent with a "suspicious" thermos bottle in it. Holmes drives a 2000 Hyundai Tiburon with Colorado tag number 119-ROC (or 119-RDC)."

He also tried to debunk the 2nd gas mask as being left by police. This is what Aurora PD says about it too. It completely goes against police procedure to leave your equipment at a crime scene. This is asinine in my opinion.

"Who dropped the 2nd gas mask and the knife?

Answer: The gang of police that stormed the dark parking lot.
They begged dispatch for gas masks once they smelled the gas coming from the theater. No one was stabbed in the attack. Next to the mask was what looked like a white box, not a knife. Probably supplies that come with the newly issued mask."

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reply to post by EffTheCIA


Thanks for the clarification.

It doesn't make sense to me that the second gas mask would be marked as evidence if it was left by the APD.

I don't know what happened that night. The secrecy of the media is what makes me nervous. Even when there's a gag order on a case, they still usually dig around, finding non-news on the case. They haven't done that in this one which strikes me as very odd.

The gas mask, second set of equipment (whatever that might be), the fact that nobody in the initial interviews ever once described the person we've seen in the courtroom, 12:39 first 911 call goes in, 12:40 James is found in (?) in his car and arrested...those are what make me suspicious. And I haven't seen any of the original "witnesses" (Corbin Dates, Jennifer Seeger, I can't remember the other guy's name) interviewed again after James' booking shot was released or after his courtroom appearance - so nobody's asked them "Is THAT the guy you saw taking the phone call? Is that the guy you saw in the theatre? Or DID you see that guy at all that night?" So basically no follow up with those witnesses. Unless they're out there and I just haven't seen them.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
Thanks for the clarification.

It doesn't make sense to me that the second gas mask would be marked as evidence if it was left by the APD.

Just by happenstance Denver PD was at Wendy's tonight so I talked with them. They said that if they left equipment at the scene, it would go in as evidence. I asked them how unusual it would be for an officer to leave something like that at the scene, which they said they didn't know. A retired cop I know says that it's not likely they'd leave it on the scene as they're responsible for their equipment.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
I don't know what happened that night. The secrecy of the media is what makes me nervous. Even when there's a gag order on a case, they still usually dig around, finding non-news on the case. They haven't done that in this one which strikes me as very odd.

Haha, well they got the notebook before even the DA got to see it!

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
The gas mask, second set of equipment (whatever that might be), the fact that nobody in the initial interviews ever once described the person we've seen in the courtroom, 12:39 first 911 call goes in, 12:40 James is found in (?) in his car and arrested...those are what make me suspicious. And I haven't seen any of the original "witnesses" (Corbin Dates, Jennifer Seeger, I can't remember the other guy's name) interviewed again after James' booking shot was released or after his courtroom appearance - so nobody's asked them "Is THAT the guy you saw taking the phone call? Is that the guy you saw in the theatre? Or DID you see that guy at all that night?" So basically no follow up with those witnesses. Unless they're out there and I just haven't seen them.

I haven't seen any witnesses say, "Yeah, that was definitely the guy". And actually, I just found this interview with Corbin Dates where he said the guy who opened the emergency exit had a goatee. He also made no mention of bright red/orange hair:

www.youtube.com...

This is a great post on all the holes in the official story, and it's fully sourced:

sleepbutawhile.com...

Don't give up on the truth.

Originally posted by EffTheCIA
No evidence of a conspiracy? Two gas masks confirmed. Multiple eyewitnesses report an accomplice involved. Three eyewitness accounts of possible suspects fleeing the crime scene.

No.

Because you discount all the people that don't mention a second shooter. And if you remember, people were being shot THROUGH THE WALLS in a second cinema. If I was there and they said the shooter was in the cinema next to mine, and yet people in my cinema were shot, I might tell a reporter that there might have been a second shooter.

I think one of the BASIC mistakes that all the true conspiracy faithful always make is, in the immediate aftermath, when NO ONE knows what's going on, and it's CHAOS, a lot of wrong things get said, people are in shock and traumatised and cops are getting dozens of stories. Some of these end up on being repeated by the cops, etc., until the investigation happens.

The mistake is believing any of that stuff; thinking it's credible.

It's the same mistake the news media makes, all the time, reporting as fact, without verifying.

You look at this incident, at the number of people involved, the number injured, the number of police, etc., and you're 100% going to get wrong info, every time. IF you're discerning, you don't assume all inaccurate info is some secret amazing evidence of a conspiracy, because guess what, it probably isn't.

But that's not how you work.

You guys start with extremely dodgy witness testimony, add on to that layers of lies (LIBOR testimony, James didn't booby-trap his house, the photos are of different people) and create a grand, and decidedly unevidenced narrative about government boogymen, mind-control, etc., etc.

And then, if anyone pops holes in this nonsense, as will happen, you guys react like anyone that doesn't believe in your BS is some sheep...

This happens at pretty much every major event (and many minor ones) and is as ridiculous as it is predictable.

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Interesting. Well, even if the gas mask did belong to the APD, it doesn't explain the other set of gear, the duffel bag, etc., that were also found.

As for the notebook, don't get me started!!

I fear the truth will never come out. Not to us anyway. I was reading some of the motions, and in one, the defense were seeking to have one of their experts in on the testing of evidence...I think that was shot down.

Originally posted by CinnamonHearts
I fear the truth will never come out. Not to us anyway. I was reading some of the motions, and in one, the defense were seeking to have one of their experts in on the testing of evidence...I think that was shot down.

Please source that.

Pardon if someone has already mentioned this, I haven't gone over the past few pages I've missed but...

The weirdness keeps stacking up. Sure she drowned, of course that's how it happened...

US president Barack Obama and his wife Michelle paid tribute to Jenny and her colleagues who are credited with saving the lives of some of those injured in the massacre.

PHD student James Holmes has been charged in relation to the shootings which left 12 people dead.

However, her family has now been plunged into a sense of grief of their own. Jenny was out swimming in a lake close to her home when she is believed to have drowned.

www.herald.ie...