Holmes had TWO roommates! EVIDENCE that MSM is rewriting the official story before our eyes!!!

There is much of this that cries some sort of cover up.. first I do not think the pictures are different people I believe it is 100% the same person. I am completely underwhelmed with the witness testimony, much of it seems very sketch. Obviously the location of evidence is troubling. However I will only judge by the things that I can view objectively with my own eyes and which there is proof of. Much of this can be deduced if you do open your mind up. Now what the cover up is, I am not sure, as the gun control issue doesn't hold water, that bill hasn't even been written yet, so I am writing that off for now.. However I would like to pose another possibility that I am sure others have pondered as well.
Due to the nature of this man's studies and sticking with the room mates' as well as a threat from another student's cell phone, all being poo pooed and dismissed.
I am curious as to the plausibility that this is more of a mind bender for the general public, staged to gauge the reaction of the masses. Either independently or with the help of the gov. or a particular agency. The possibility that several people with the same agenda for the purpose of research. Let's just say 4 students whom study the human mind and have affiliations with government programs such as DARPA want to take their research to a new level, they spend months concocting this entire set up with the whole goal of freeing James Holmes? How does the media play us, how do we respond, how many rats in a cage out of a thousand will feel one way or another. I do know one thing, if James Holmes obituary is in the near future, Then it is truly a cover up. Then I would say the government is in control of this. It could be they are anyway or it could be an independent experiment, It is even possible it was one mans experiment. What if James Holmes planted the gas mask at the other end of the theater etc? It all Smacks of something funky.. I just don't know what yet.. and I don't think Aliens were involved. HA

Two roomates and a Mother who knew immediately that the shooter is her son. Why did she know that?

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As for eye colour, based on two random photos, give me a break.... unless you have very similar lighting, etc., trying to determine if people's eye colour is the same from two random photos is absurd. It's fairly obvious to everyone but extreme CTers that it's the same guy, his parents say it's him, the police say it's him, the court said it was him... Two very different photos (one of which is obviously stretched, and which are taken from different angles, with a different expression, and different hair colour) is not good enough to start leaping to these sorts of conclusions... the other one, which debunked it, had them over-layed and faded between the two and there was at least an attempt to account for the perspective... I'll try and find that link..

Like eye said, the eye picture wasn't the best example. I'd love to see the info. Perhaps the different people thing is a "red" herring. Still doesn't detract from the fact that this whole thing stinks to high heaven.

tallblonde,

If you did your research his mother did not say anything of the sort, the ABC people who called her in the middle of the night and asked her if she was James Holmes Mother and she replied "yes you have the right person" that is the biggest problem I have with these forums and or sites, if you are going to take things out of context and not look at the reality of this, well don't bother... that is a misconstrued statement Tallblonde.

and I believe 100% something is up.. but look at the facts.. don't put BS out there that out of context.

He was "close to eviction" because he was in the process of dropping out, neighbors said he told them he was looking for another apartment, which is odd, for what reason would he stay presuming his school days were over?

Originally posted by lordtyp0
Links about his academic performance and past:

Time being an intern
Includes the following:

But “he should not have gotten into the summer program,” Jacobson said. “His grades were mediocre. I’ve heard him described as brilliant. This is extremely inaccurate.”

Well, I saw an interview with a school chum who was friends with him since very young until their Sr. year in high school, he said James was brilliant, and worked very hard to learn and get good grades. He said he was a really nice guy who was quiet until you got to know him and then he was very funny and nice. He said he never heard anyone ever say anything bad about James. Ever. The guy knew him a long time and knew his academics.

Close to eviction

Circumstantial: After death penalty being sought-mother changes story on her son to the news.

Implications that in High school he was in "Alternative Education". Basically he could not function in regular schooling for whatever reason, from disruptive behavior to bad grades to laziness to just bad schedule or countless other items (In no way am I saying the programs are bad or anyone who went to them are. The programs however are designed to accommodate those who are in danger of failing a regular school curricula.

"Westview, at the time, was doing alternative schooling," Lewis said. "The grades were less forgiving. There were standards -- or criteria -- for each class that each student was expected to meet. There was a lot of pressure to pass. No one wanted to have to take a class over again."

See above comment, friend said he was in school with him until Sr. year, and this guy is also a brain.

Info from people in his schools/friends/family

Interesting point in the huff article above. First it mischaracterizes the Temporal Illusion presentation. He was not saying that one could change reality, what he was talking about was memory modification involved in memory encoding and retrieval-post occurance memory modification and unconscious transference. He was not saying reality and time actually changes.

Still looking for the bits where friends of the family were saying she begged DFS to take him out due to various points like-claiming abuse anytime he was told no and groundings having no effect etc. etc.

His Temporal Illusion presentation would likely include experiments in that field, which would very likely include post hypnotic suggestions and mind control issues which would open the door for personal experience. I say that because there has been massive speculation that he was a victim of mind control, in fact, I thought it almost immediately upon hearing the particulars of the case, and especially after seeing his 10 minute court appearance. Amnesia for the event is typical for post hypnotic induction if the hypnotist chooses to lock the memory, and in his case, if he was induced, it is likely this would be the case. The less he remembers the easier it will be to convict him as he has no defense.

As to the $26,000 grant, it was doled out monthly beginning at his arrival at school last year, it was not a lump sum.

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I am curious as to the plausibility that this is more of a mind bender for the general public, staged to gauge the reaction of the masses. Either independently or with the help of the gov. or a particular agency.

According to Cathy O'Brien, trauma creates an opening in the mind, intense suggestibility, that is then capitalized upon by those who crate the chaos. Remember 9/11? Within weeks they pushed the patriot act and DHS through, with little more than grumbling.

I expect with the rash of sudden mass shootings, we'll see something pop up, or they are covering for another news story and keeping us busy, could be both. obama hired a professional scandal cover up guy, the guy who made the Sandusky scandal disappear, he's now on the public dole.

That this even happened on a satanic holy day of kidnapping and preparation for sacrifice, does not escape me, nor does the fact that the Denver area is rife with satanism, which may be the sole reason for most of the federal government moving there.

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Law enforcement - they're just people like you and me. With families, wives, husbands, children -- this is not some government conspiracy.

When I found out who the Chief of Police of Aurora was, I realized he wasn't just "people like you and me", go do a little digging on Chief Oates. He was at Ann Arbor, U of Michigan, a campus rife with mind control. He was directly involved with another world wide event with multiple conspiracy theories surrounding it.

Do a little research before you throw all the manhours spent here and other places on digging up the truth, you insult the intelligence of most of the posters on this thread.

Why just make crap up?

A temporal illusion is a distortion in sensory perception caused when the time between the occurrence of two or more events is very short (typically less than a second). In such cases a person may misperceive the temporal order of the events. The kappa effect is a form of temporal illusion verifiable by experiment[16] whereby time intervals between visual events are perceived as relatively longer or shorter depending on the relative spatial positions of the events. In other words, the perception of temporal intervals appears to be directly affected, in these cases, by the perception of spatial intervals. The Kappa effect can be displayed when considering a journey made in two parts that take an equal amount of time. Between these two parts, the journey that covers more distance will appear to take longer than the journey covering less distance, even though they take an equal amount of time.

en.wikipedia.org...
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A great example of a temporal illusion is the quickening beat:
listverse.com...

Temporal Illusions are not about controlling time, or hypnosis, they're about perception.

This is his mentor



Nothing about mind control. "Changing the past," basically means, (forcing someone to) perceive things in a different order than they occur, nothing more.

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Forcing someone to perceive things in a different order could definitely change the way in which someone perceives an event. His studies, whether or not directly related to changing memories, definitely have an effect on memory.

When things happen out of a specific order, there is no doubt that in some instances it will completely change the perception of the event..

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

Forcing someone to perceive things in a different order could definitely change the way in which someone perceives an event. His studies, whether or not directly related to changing memories, definitely have an effect on memory.

When things happen out of a specific order, there is no doubt that in some instances it will completely change the perception of the event..

I think you don't really understand the kind of thing we're talking about.

Changing the order people perceive sounds, for instance, will make them believe one sound comes before the other, but as long as they know it's just a "trick" their mind won't rewrite it's memory of the event, as it sometime does after, say, trauma, any more than you rewrite your memory of a magic trick, even though you know you're being tricked.

This sort of thing is like illusions, where a quirk of human anatomy or psychology is used to create illusions.

That can be used to great effect by commerce (3D movies, stereo sound) but isn't memory manipulation or time travel.

I'm not saying anything about time travel. I'm saying an illusion of any sort, a change in the perception of order, or a belief or perception that an event happened in a certain order.. Whether it did or not.. Definitely has an effect on the perception of an event as a whole. I completely understand what is being discussed.

The kappa effect is a form of temporal illusion verifiable by experiment whereby time intervals between visual events are perceived as relatively longer or shorter depending on the relative spatial positions of the events.

If the time perceived between events is distorted to someone, then the event as a whole could be perceived differently. It is a fact that I don't think you can refute.

Originally posted by ZiggyMojo
I'm not saying anything about time travel. I'm saying an illusion of any sort, a change in the perception of order, or a belief or perception that an event happened in a certain order.. Whether it did or not.. Definitely has an effect on the perception of an event as a whole. I completely understand what is being discussed.

The kappa effect is a form of temporal illusion verifiable by experiment whereby time intervals between visual events are perceived as relatively longer or shorter depending on the relative spatial positions of the events.

If the time perceived between events is distorted to someone, then the event as a whole could be perceived differently. It is a fact that I don't think you can refute.

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No doubt, but that doesn't change their memory, as you claimed it could.

It's no different than 3D, in that it creates an illusion which makes you mind believe something untrue.

It's a cool trick, and it's basis is some very clever science, but it's not hugely amazing or special... it's just another cool science thing.

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I've been thinking for a while that this might be exactly what Holmes' (and whoever else may or may not have been involved) plan was. Some sort of sick experiment trying to make the public believe a story that didn't actually happen that way, therefore creating kind of a temporal illusion?

Think of all the weird things at the crime scene, like the strangely positioned second gas mask, pink flip flops, maybe even the bloodstream. The question of whether or not there was one shooter. The question of whether or not it was Holmes that faked the phone call and walked out of the theater. The question or wheter or not Holmes was actually the shooter.

What I'm saying is, the story we are getting from the MSM might not be what actually happened, and the reason for that might be that somebody is trying to make the public believe that something that didn't happen actually happened, or the other way around. The turn of events might not be what is being perceived, possibly even by the authorities. Maybe Holmes wanted to feel what it's like to do something and then make the whole world believe something different happened.

Originally posted by javelinfangz
reply to post by longlostbrother

 

I've been thinking for a while that this might be exactly what Holmes' (and whoever else may or may not have been involved) plan was. Some sort of sick experiment trying to make the public believe a story that didn't actually happen that way, therefore creating kind of a temporal illusion?

Think of all the weird things at the crime scene, like the strangely positioned second gas mask, pink flip flops, maybe even the bloodstream. The question of whether or not there was one shooter. The question of whether or not it was Holmes that faked the phone call and walked out of the theater. The question or wheter or not Holmes was actually the shooter.

What I'm saying is, the story we are getting from the MSM might not be what actually happened, and the reason for that might be that somebody is trying to make the public believe that something that didn't happen actually happened, or the other way around. The turn of events might not be what is being perceived, possibly even by the authorities. Maybe Holmes wanted to feel what it's like to do something and then make the whole world believe something different happened.

I think this is all wild and unsubstantiated speculation.

The sort of temporal illusion we're talking about here is nothing like what you're describing. I think you're conflating and grasping for a conspiracy where there isn't one.

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This post caught me by surprise, that is what I like about ATS is that sometimes you have an interest in certain topics and then one that I normally don't go to I read what you found.

Thanks for sharing

I was just searching for information regarding the apartment James lived in. The first article I came across was ABC (yuck), but I found it interesting. The article was posted on July 20th, and I don't know what time Chief Oates made the statement regarding the weapons/ammunition being "bought legally." I do remember thinking, "Wow. That's fast. James just had all the receipts all neatly piled in his apartment or something?" I have no idea how quickly that information can be obtained, but to me, it seemed really fast.

Anyway, in the beginning of the article, it has the quote from Oates saying everything was purchased legally. Further down, it says: "Agents from the federal bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms are tracing the weapons." Isn't that something you would have to do BEFORE you claimed they were purchased legally?

Some people have asked why James may have been in the process of moving, or why he would possibly be kicked out of the apartment:
"The apartment complex is home exclusively to University of Colorado Medical Center students, patients and staff members, residents told ABC News."

So if he was exiting the program, it'd make sense that he couldn't live there anymore.

abcnews.go.com...

Originally posted by zeozot
reply to post by kisharninmah

 

Law enforcement - they're just people like you and me. With families, wives, husbands, children -- this is not some government conspiracy.

When I found out who the Chief of Police of Aurora was, I realized he wasn't just "people like you and me", go do a little digging on Chief Oates. He was at Ann Arbor, U of Michigan, a campus rife with mind control. He was directly involved with another world wide event with multiple conspiracy theories surrounding it.

Do a little research before you throw all the manhours spent here and other places on digging up the truth, you insult the intelligence of most of the posters on this thread.

Source? And what worldwide event are you referring to?

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I don't know what "world event" he was involved in, but here is the source on his investigation of this shooting.

Dan Oat's investigation of Aurora shooting

Looks like he organized the security for the UN Millennium Summit. "He also was behind security arrangements for the United Nations Millennium Summit in 2000, the largest gathering of world leaders in history, according to his résumé ."

This report comes from Wayne Madsen (waynemadsenreport.com).

July 25-26, 2012 -- Aurora police chief's dubious connections

As Aurora, Colorado police chief Dan Oates receives accolades from officials from President Obama to Colorado Governor John Hickenlooper, Oates's past position with the New York Police Department is noteworthy as more details emerge of the connections between the alleged Century 16 movie theater shooter James Holmes and government-funded neuroscience research.

Oates retired from the New York Police Department in 2001 after a 21-year career. He served as safety services administrator in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the home of the University of Michigan, designated by former CIA director Richard Helms as one of the five top CIA-Advance Research Projects Agency (ARPA) [now known as the Defense Advance Research Projects Agency, or DARPA] "behavioral science" research campuses, along with Yale, M.I.T., U.C.L.A, and the University of Hawaii. In 2005, Oates left Ann Arbor to take up his present position in Aurora.

Oates's last job with the NYPD was as the chief of the intelligence division. As a member of Police Commissioner Howard Safir's executive staff, Oates's prepared, according to The New York Daily News, a daily intelligence briefing for Safir, which lasted some two hours. Oates's would have conceivably had access to a wide spectrum of intelligence information, including Drug Enforcement Administration, FBI, and other federal agency reports on the suspicious activities of a number of Israeli "art students" and "office movers" in the year leading up to the 9/11 attack on New York's World Trade Center.

However, Oates apparently missed the critical intelligence or, if he passed it to Safir, it was ignored. Safir, who served as New York Police Commissioner from 1996 to 2000 and was appointed by Mayor Rudolph Giuliani, previously served as a federal Bureau of Narcotics and Dangerous Drugs agent and in 10972, was one of two BNDD agents who arrested Harvard University researcher Timothy Leary, a proponent of '___' use. However, Leary had also conducted research, under the guise of the Harvard Psilocybin Project. the Concord Prison Experiment, and the Marsh Chapel Experiment, for the CIA's MK-ULTRA mind control program. which was under the direction of CIA Technical Services director Dr. Sidney Gottlieb.

After Safir retired as police commissioner, he became the chief consultant to the CEO of ChoicePoint, Inc., the firm that was implicated in scrubbing voter rolls in Florida for the 2000 presidential election.

In December 2001, Safir became chairman and CEO SafirRosetti, a security firm that is a wholly owned subsidiary of Global Options Group, as well as CEO of Bode Technology, also a subsidiary of Global Options. Safir has also served as CEO of VRI Technologies LLC, a security investigations and data analysis firm; chairman of National Security Solutions, Inc., a counter-terrorism firm; chairman and CEO of the November Group Ltd, a strategic consulting firm headquartered in Annapolis, Maryland. In addition, he has served on the the board of directors of Implant Sciences Corp., an explosive trace detection sensor firm; and Verint Systems, Inc.

Verint was formerly known as Comverse/Infosys and the Department of Justice suspected the Israeli-owned firm, which had contracts to provide wiretapping systems to the FBI and Justice Department, of having significant links to Israeli intelligence. Comverse/Infosys, now known as Verint, was suspended from the New York NASDAQ index in 2007 over financial irregularities and money laundering brought about by the ex-CEO of Comverse/Infosys, Jacob "Kobi" Alexander, an Israeli national. Alexander fled prosecution for securities fraud in the United States and he now lives in the Namibian capital of Windhoek. Efforts to extradite Alexander from Namibia to the United States have been unsuccessful.

Verint provided the closed-circuit television surveillance system for the London Underground when the system was hit by terrorist bombs on July 7, 2005. A company called Visor Consultants was conducting a training exercise in which dummy bombs were used to simulate a terrorist bombing of the London Underground as the actual bombs were detonated. Giuliani, who appointed Safir as his polcie commissioner, happened to be staying in downtown London at the time of the bombings. Giuliani was staying and attending an economic conference at the Great Eastern Hotel, at which then-Israeli Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu was also present.

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