Mass shooting in Aurora, CO (At Batman Film Premiere)

Originally posted by Troofseeker

Originally posted by g146541
Too bad, I guess none in the crowd had a means of defending themselves.
I wonder how the ccw laws are in this particular county.

Typical. An American reads a story about a mass shooting and the first thing he thinks about is bringing more guns to the party. Guns, guns, guns, yeehaw. What a sick society.

Yep your right to degree...But I posted how my buddy son was to go to that event...he did not go for lack of a baby sitter... the flip of the coin is he is 12 ranger and he would have gone there packing...right to carry...he feels bad that if he was there with his gun he might have been able to take the SOB out....That's why I have a permit..it has saved my life two times.

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The police chief indicated they frequently patrolled the theater with plain-clothes officers, but there were none last night.

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Yeah, ive been to movies that sucked before and walked out within 30 minutes. You cannot force people to stay and watch a movie if its garbage to them.

This is such a tragic incident I'm somewhat lost for words. WTF is wrong with people? Every day I hear of some senseless killing somewhere. The news has been full lately of parents killing their kids or strangers abducting and killing innocent people. My heart and thoughts go out to the victims and victims families of this tragedy, life will never be the same for them, it's sickening to think about and for why?

I recently moved from Colorado after 25 yrs of calling it home. My daughters are still there, the oldest is moving to Denver to start school next month and frankly I'm scared to death about it. I spoke with her last night about being very careful and aware of her surroundings and wake up this morning to this news.

Originally posted by Valhall

Originally posted by DangerDeath

Originally posted by CloseEncounter

Originally posted by Vrill
This is gonna force movie theaters to do pat downs ala airports.

great.

Ok, well, if you have nothing to hide, who cares?

Why? He clearly left during the show and came back with weapons. They should prevent people from leaving before the show is over. Or at least ID them before they leave.

Prevent them from leaving before the show is over? Serious?

That's right. They leave the show, and leave a bomb behind.... Or come back through exit door with an arsenal.

wonder what medication this guy was on.

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by 08051962

 

Now they're saying Holmes WAS the guy in the first row.
He bought tickets, got up and propped the exit door open, geared up and returned

I have to think he practiced this at least a couple of times (without guns) during previous movies to make sure no alarm sounded and no security was alerted to the EXIT door being propped open.

Anyone heard whether the door had an alarm that was turned off or had cameras on the outside?

I would think most theaters would have revenue assurance/security procedures in place to keep kids from sneaking their friends into movies

edit on 20-7-2012 by Zarniwoop because: (no reason given)

It's not out of the ordinary for those doors to not have alarms. In any of the theaters I've been in the exit door has never had an alarm connected to it. I'm not sure on the legality of it or the regulation of having an alarm on the doors, but most every theater doesn't have alarms on them because it makes it easier for people to leave the theater after a movie.

Unsure on security, though.

Originally posted by Hadrian
reply to post by intrptr

 

It is not his current mug shot. Police indicated they were not prepared to release that as of yet.

Has it been released yet?

If not, does anyone else think that's weird? We saw Loughners pretty quick.

Would a pic reveal it to be obvious that he is drugged, out of control or rather under some sort of control?

Originally posted by Laokin

Originally posted by sirnukeem
Lets get real here, even if you were packing

a little pistol all you could do is duck cover

and take pot shots at the guy with all the gear. even a Kevlar helmet would of had to of been a direct face shot.

so lets get over this john wayne ida shot the guy yadda yadda crap.

The best thing all them people could of done was bum rush him
100 people he would of only gotten 2 or 3

edit on 20-7-2012 by sirnukeem because: (no reason given)

It was NOT A KEVLAR HELM. It was a RIOT MASK. It was made of PLASTIC.

The only armor he had on was a vest, which would only POTENTIALLY stop .22-9mm bullets.

And seriously, if you had a target with a visible vest and a helm on, would you not shoot him in the knee?

Actually you are wrong about what a kevlar vest will and won't stop. A .22 cal rimfire is actually more likely to penetrate even class III armor as opposed to a .44 magnum. Class III kevlar is readily available and stops a .44 magnum point blank. If he had trauma plates in it would then be capable of stopping a .308 rifle point blank. He was not wearing a riot mask either, he had on a helmet and gas mask.

Originally posted by nighthawk1954

Originally posted by Troofseeker

Originally posted by g146541
Too bad, I guess none in the crowd had a means of defending themselves.
I wonder how the ccw laws are in this particular county.

Typical. An American reads a story about a mass shooting and the first thing he thinks about is bringing more guns to the party. Guns, guns, guns, yeehaw. What a sick society.

Yep your right to degree...But I posted how my buddy son was to go to that event...he did not go for lack of a baby sitter... the flip of the coin is he is 12 ranger and he would have gone there packing...right to carry...he feels bad that if he was there with his gun he might have been able to take the SOB out....That's why I have a permit..it has saved my life two times.

This guy would have had a right to carry, by all means. But the premises indicated no firearms allowed. People need to be reminded that regardless of right to carry, open carry, concealed, or whatever ... if someone takes a firearm to a place like this, they are themselves in violation of the law. And worse yet, if they draw down on someone and fire, regardless of reason, they will no longer be able to legally carry a firearm for the rest of their lives.

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I would imagine, at the least, Diet Coke, McDonald's, some sorta energy bar.

I don't know why but I had a bad feeling something was going to happen after Arpaio's press conference about Obama's BC. A feeling in my gut all day long. Is this related? I don't know. Just seems like the movie itself reflects the dark time our country has been going through since 9/11.

Originally posted by neo96
Someone confirm what i just heard on Fox.

He had

1 ar-15
1 Remington 870
2 glock .40s

no mention of mag capacities but he had "buckets" of ammo he moved his car to the rear exit?

Anyone want to confirm?

All legally obtained.

Sorry did not read `1000 posts but there was mention of tear gas which is not legal to buy in most states?

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There are varying reports but mostly this

www.guardian.co.uk...

An AR-15 rifle and Glock handguns: the legal weapons of James Holmes

usnews.msnbc.msn.com... school?lite

Four weapons were found at the scene, Oates said.
•Two were handguns, made by Glock. Both were .40-caliber. At least one of those was used, the police chief said.
•One shotgun, a Remington Model 870, one of the most popular models. Pump action, single barrel, 12 gauge.
•And one AR-15 type rifle, called by some an "assault rifle." These weapons can accommodate large ammunition "clips," but authorities have not yet said what kind of magazines were at the scene.

usnews.msnbc.msn.com... school?lite

Aurora shooting suspect James Holmes was buying guns, dropping out of neuroscience graduate school

James Eagan Holmes, suspected of carrying out the Colorado movie theater shooting while wearing an outfit of black ballistic gear, was a Phi Beta Kappa graduate student in neuroscience who started buying his four weapons legally in May, about the time his grades fell and he began the process of dropping out of school.

A law enforcement official confirmed that Holmes had two handguns, a shotgun and a semi-automatic rifle, was wearing an outfit of black ballistic gear, had his hair brightly colored red or orange, and told police that he was the Joker, the fictional villain in earlier Batman comics and films. Holmes is not cooperating with authorities, other than to divulge that his apartment was rigged with explosives. He is represented by an attorney.

The 24-year-old from San Diego was a Ph.D. student at the University of Colorado Medical School campus in Aurora, a university spokesman told NBC News.

"The University of Colorado Denver Anschutz Medical Campus can confirm that Mr. James Holmes was in the process of withdrawing from the University of Colorado Denver's graduate program in neurosciences," the university statement said. "Mr. Holmes enrolled at the university in June 2011."

A poor last semester
The Washington Post reported that a neuroscience faculty member at Colorado who said he taught Holmes said he immediately thought of Holmes when he heard that a student was accused of the shooting. He was “very quiet, strangely quiet in class,” and said he seemed “socially off.”

Holmes did very poorly on his comprehensive exams last semester, the instructor told the Post, and the school was considering placing him on academic probation, but was not considering expulsion.


Aurora, Colo., police say they are working on disarming "flammable or explosive material" in the home of James Holmes, the suspected movie theater shooter, and NBC's Pete Williams has more details on the shooter's apartment.

The university website listed one of his courses as the Biological Basis of Psychiatric and Neurological Disorders. He was listed on the class website as making a presentation in the spring on MicroRNA biomarkers.

The University of California, Riverside, confirmed that a student named James Eagan Holmes, with the same date of birth, graduated with a bachelor's degree in neuroscience in 2010. He graduated in four years, attending from the fall of 2006 to spring 2010. Public records show that the Holmes living in Aurora had a previous address at a Riverside dormitory.

Most likely Manchurian Candidates. This will push more anti-terror legislation. NDAA, NDRP, these are just the setting stones for the coming Marshall Law.

It's going to be interesting how fast they're going to pass another NDAA after this.

This is him,found the pic in a greek news site.


My heart goes to the families of the victims and the those who had to go through all this hell.

This shouldn't be a debate of Americans and our guns. Sure it was the device used, but even if guns didn't exist, you could give a person a butter knife and they would find a way to kill if they really wanted to.

This is evil at work. Nothing else.

Originally posted by Zarniwoop
reply to post by 08051962

 

Now they're saying Holmes WAS the guy in the first row.
He bought tickets, got up and propped the exit door open, geared up and returned

I have to think he practiced this at least a couple of times (without guns) during previous movies to make sure no alarm sounded and no security was alerted to the EXIT door being propped open.

Anyone heard whether the door had an alarm that was turned off or had cameras on the outside?

I would think most theaters would have revenue assurance/security procedures in place to keep kids from sneaking their friends into movies

edit on 20-7-2012 by Zarniwoop because: (no reason given)

I don't doubt that he had plenty of opportunity to practice, although it would not have been a difficult task to accomplish. Propping open a movie theater door is quite easy.

Movie theater exits don't usually have alarms on them. In the auditoriums they are not typically emergency exits, because if people DID try to sneak in (and they often do) the alarm would ruin the movie for the entire audience and the management would most likely have to issue refunds for the inconvenience. Not very lucrative for business. Also, having these additional exits reduces foot traffic when the movies are over because they allow people extra options instead of the one or two walkways when they enter.

Would be interested to know if there were cameras outside in the parking lot where he geared up though. Unfortunately, many parking lots do not have a whole lot of camera placement. Usually just at main entrances and delivery points.

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I'm watching CNN and they are still saying no mugshot released yet.

Originally posted by Starchildren
I don't know why but I had a bad feeling something was going to happen after Arpaio's press conference about Obama's BC. A feeling in my gut all day long. Is this related? I don't know.

You mean because both stories feature lunatics?

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You think a no guns allowed sign would have stopped this guy? I don't.

You know what I think may have stopped him?

A couple weapons proficient people in the seats with their CCW & a firearm...just maybe he wouldn't have been able to run around for 20 mins shooting people.